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2017/09/20 00:56:28 (permalink)
Hi Guys,
 
I currently still have my X58 gaming rig with an Intel i7 920 DO and want to upgrade to an EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 gpu.    My EVGA Hybrid GTX 970 cannot run my Acer X34 Predator native res of 3440 x 1440 P.  Do you guys think I will run into a cpu bottleneck or will I be fine?
 
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 01:55:42 (permalink)
    Yes, you will bottleneck. It performs worse than a G4560.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 10:32:50 (permalink)
    At higher resolutions the GPU is usually the bottleneck and not the CPU.  I have the i7 2600k and I'm not having any CPU bottleneck issues.  However, FWIW, Sandy Bridge did bring a number of improvements and looking at this Anandtech review the 2600k was about 15-20% faster than the 920 in gaming.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 10:37:07 (permalink)
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    Hi Guys,
     
    I currently still have my X58 gaming rig with an Intel i7 920 DO and want to upgrade to an EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 gpu.    My EVGA Hybrid GTX 970 cannot run my Acer X34 Predator native res of 3440 x 1440 P.  Do you guys think I will run into a cpu bottleneck or will I be fine?
     
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    Compared to a newer processor, you will not get as much performance increase. However, it will still be a massive increase over what you have now. As was pointed out, higher resolutions put more of the workload on the GPU somewhat ameliorating the lesser performance of the older processor.

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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 11:22:26 (permalink)
    If going for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice, but 1440p is where you sacrifice the resolution on favour of more frames. The best CPUs today are bottlenecked at 1080p and a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p.
     
    By all means, pair a 1080Ti with a 920 and game on it now but your next upgrade is probably needing to be the CPU/RAM. The 8th gen Intel chips are around the corner and that will knock down the price of all previous generations. So yes, buy the 1080Ti and upgrade when the new CPUs come out, even if you don't buy a new CPU.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 13:49:03 (permalink)
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    If going for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice, but 1440p is where you sacrifice the resolution on favour of more frames. The best CPUs today are bottlenecked at 1080p and a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p.
     

    CPUs don't care about resolution, this makes no sense.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 13:59:28 (permalink)
    don't know if anything from this can help ?
     
    http://www.pcgamer.com/will-your-cpu-bottleneck-your-graphics-card/
     
    maybe something to help determine if its to the good or not ?
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 14:17:45 (permalink)
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    If going for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice, but 1440p is where you sacrifice the resolution on favour of more frames. The best CPUs today are bottlenecked at 1080p and a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p.
     

    CPUs don't care about resolution, this makes no sense.


    the higher the frame rate the more load usually ends up on a cpu. Like say 4k 60 in a game may be fine but going 1440p ,and trying to get high fps may see a bottleneck at the cpu.also depending how bad the bottle neck ends up at a lower res, if he goes that route. he could then be better of with a 1080 or a 1070 but a lot depends on the games as not all stress the cpu as much and if hes trying to go high fps or if 60fps is all he needs. but in the end OP its your money and if you want a 1080ti go for it
    post edited by demon09 - 2017/09/20 14:21:59
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 14:27:50 (permalink)
    You will likely run into a bottleneck with a GTX 1080 Ti and an i7-920.
     
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    If going for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice, but 1440p is where you sacrifice the resolution on favour of more frames. The best CPUs today are bottlenecked at 1080p and a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p.
     

    CPUs don't care about resolution, this makes no sense.


    Actually the resolution can effect a CPU bottleneck. If you run at a lower resolution and lower graphics settings you offload more stress onto the CPU. When you want to test for a CPU bottleneck it is best to set a lower resolution and graphics settings for this reason.

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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 15:49:56 (permalink)
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    Actually the resolution can effect a CPU bottleneck. If you run at a lower resolution and lower graphics settings you offload more stress onto the CPU. When you want to test for a CPU bottleneck it is best to set a lower resolution and graphics settings for this reason.

    I get that. CPU defines the max fps you will ever get. The GPU running beyond it's means can further limit the max fps. The CPU is always the bottleneck until the GPU is.
     
    But saying a CPU is bottlenecked at 1080p or 1440p makes no sense unless you are bringing a GPU into the equation. It may bottleneck a 1080ti but not a 1070, a 1070 but not a 1060, etc.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 16:04:48 (permalink)
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    Actually the resolution can effect a CPU bottleneck. If you run at a lower resolution and lower graphics settings you offload more stress onto the CPU. When you want to test for a CPU bottleneck it is best to set a lower resolution and graphics settings for this reason.

    I get that. CPU defines the max fps you will ever get. The GPU running beyond it's means can further limit the max fps. The CPU is always the bottleneck until the GPU is.
     
    But saying a CPU is bottlenecked at 1080p or 1440p makes no sense unless you are bringing a GPU into the equation. It may bottleneck a 1080ti but not a 1070, a 1070 but not a 1060, etc.
    The OP wanted to know if a 920 would bottleneck a 1080Ti. The answer is yes.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 16:32:20 (permalink)
    I think that clk 3.5GHz to 4.2+GHz (AllCore) are better for Gaming.


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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/20 17:03:35 (permalink)
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    Actually the resolution can effect a CPU bottleneck. If you run at a lower resolution and lower graphics settings you offload more stress onto the CPU. When you want to test for a CPU bottleneck it is best to set a lower resolution and graphics settings for this reason.

    I get that. CPU defines the max fps you will ever get. The GPU running beyond it's means can further limit the max fps. The CPU is always the bottleneck until the GPU is.
     
    But saying a CPU is bottlenecked at 1080p or 1440p makes no sense unless you are bringing a GPU into the equation. It may bottleneck a 1080ti but not a 1070, a 1070 but not a 1060, etc.
    The OP wanted to know if a 920 would bottleneck a 1080Ti. The answer is yes.

    I agree. My formatting on the post leaves something to be desired, if you look above the quote I did say a bottleneck would be likely. It's just hidden up there!

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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/21 00:10:00 (permalink)
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    Actually the resolution can effect a CPU bottleneck. If you run at a lower resolution and lower graphics settings you offload more stress onto the CPU. When you want to test for a CPU bottleneck it is best to set a lower resolution and graphics settings for this reason.

    I get that. CPU defines the max fps you will ever get. The GPU running beyond it's means can further limit the max fps. The CPU is always the bottleneck until the GPU is.

    But saying a CPU is bottlenecked at 1080p or 1440p makes no sense unless you are bringing a GPU into the equation. It may bottleneck a 1080ti but not a 1070, a 1070 but not a 1060, etc.
    The OP wanted to know if a 920 would bottleneck a 1080Ti. The answer is yes.

    I agree. My formatting on the post leaves something to be desired, if you look above the quote I did say a bottleneck would be likely. It's just hidden up there!


    That wasn't directed at you as much as it was to somethingc00l
    post edited by Valtrius Malleus - 2017/09/21 00:14:04
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/21 13:14:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for the helpful replies guys!  I am able to game fine with a 920 DO and a GTX 970 Hybrid with a 1080P res.  I ran into frame issues when I upgraded my Samsung 1080p LCD to an Acer Predator X34 with a 3440 x 1440 P res.  I averaged 15-20 fps with the Ultrawide res on BF1.  The EVGA GTX 1080 TI FTW3 is very hard to source in the bay area right now.  All the Frys electronics are sold out.  They do have the SC2's in stock but I have the urge to purchase the FTW3 Gpu for some reason....
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/21 17:06:35 (permalink)
    Valtrius Malleus
     
    That wasn't directed at you as much as it was to somethingc00l




    I still think it's phrased terribly. "for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice" ... "a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p."
     
    If it suffices at 4k it will suffice at 1440p, FPS will be the same or higher at 1440p as it is at 4k.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/21 19:28:45 (permalink)
    Any game that I've tested since I built my new PC is laggy at 1080p. Even with an 8-core processor...games are CPU bound at that resolution. 1440p or 4K seem to be the sweet spot for the 7820X and 1080Ti with no lag whatsoever.

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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/22 00:54:04 (permalink)
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    That wasn't directed at you as much as it was to somethingc00l




    I still think it's phrased terribly. "for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice" ... "a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p."
     
    If it suffices at 4k it will suffice at 1440p, FPS will be the same or higher at 1440p as it is at 4k.


    If your FPS is the same at 4K and 1440p then something else is holding you back, like your CPU. If the FPS is the same then explain why it is nigh impossible to find a 4K monitor capable of frequencies greater than 60Hz. Most people even recomemed 1440p over 4K simply because graphics cards cannot render enough frames at those resolutions. Are you also going to claim that 1080p is comparable to 1440p?
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/22 02:02:23 (permalink)
    While you would be bottlenecked by the CPU the real question is would you notice the bottleneck on a monitor that does 60hz or 100hz overclocked above that and you wouldn't be seeing the frames so it kind of becomes a moot point. While yes a bottleneck would happen it's unlikely you would really notice it other then in a couple games. I know others will say that you need to have the silky smooth 140hz of some monitors to have games feel great but I personally feel if the FPS stays above 60fps you will not really notice that much unless it's a sudden drop.
     
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/25 16:32:50 (permalink)
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    If your FPS is the same at 4K and 1440p then something else is holding you back, like your CPU. If the FPS is the same then explain why it is nigh impossible to find a 4K monitor capable of frequencies greater than 60Hz. Most people even recomemed 1440p over 4K simply because graphics cards cannot render enough frames at those resolutions. Are you also going to claim that 1080p is comparable to 1440p?




    Thanks for confirming you don't really get how this works. It's pretty simple, CPU defines the max FPS you can get, set resolution in game to 640x480 so you are not GPU bound, let's say you get 100 FPS @ 640x480. Now raise the resolution, eventually you will hit the GPU limit/bottleneck, and your FPS will go down from 100.
     
    "If the FPS is the same then explain why it is nigh impossible to find a 4K monitor capable of frequencies greater than 60Hz."
    That has nothing to do with GPUs, it's making the controller in the monitor capable of handling 4k 120 Hz input (DisplayPort 1.3+). They are coming, see Asus PG27uq, Acer Predator X27, etc.
     
    "Are you also going to claim that 1080p is comparable to 1440p?"
    Like the rest of your posts, I have no idea what you are even trying to say here.
     
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/25 23:55:26 (permalink)
    somethingc00lCPU defines the max FPS you can get
    Remind me again the max FPS you can get with a 920?
     
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    If your FPS is the same at 4K and 1440p then something else is holding you back, like your CPU. If the FPS is the same then explain why it is nigh impossible to find a 4K monitor capable of frequencies greater than 60Hz. Most people even recomemed 1440p over 4K simply because graphics cards cannot render enough frames at those resolutions. Are you also going to claim that 1080p is comparable to 1440p?


    "If the FPS is the same then explain why it is nigh impossible to find a 4K monitor capable of frequencies greater than 60Hz."
    That has nothing to do with GPUs, it's making the controller in the monitor capable of handling 4k 120 Hz input (DisplayPort 1.3+). They are coming, see Asus PG27uq, Acer Predator X27, etc.
    A higher resolution puts more strain on the GPU, the 1080Ti in question.


     
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    "Are you also going to claim that 1080p is comparable to 1440p?"
    Like the rest of your posts, I have no idea what you are even trying to say here.

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    If it suffices at 4k it will suffice at 1440p, FPS will be the same or higher at 1440p as it is at 4k.



    To reiterate, a G4560 is bottlenecking a 1070 at 1080p and a 920 performs worse than a G4560, one way to alleviate the bottleneck and put more strain on the GPU... increase resolution.
     
    Take the hint off me and everyone else. The 920 will bottleneck a 1080Ti at lower resolutions.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 09:51:17 (permalink)
    If you can afford it also, go to Ebay & pick up a 6 core 980x & slap it in that x58.

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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 11:57:00 (permalink)
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    one way to alleviate the bottleneck and put more strain on the GPU... increase resolution.
     

    That just moves the bottleneck to the GPU, nothing got alleviated. I see you have no idea how English works. Good luck out there.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 12:11:12 (permalink)
    Lets keep the debate / exchange / posts ---> on Topic and Not get personal

     
     
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 14:39:00 (permalink)
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    one way to alleviate the bottleneck and put more strain on the GPU... increase resolution.
     

    That just moves the bottleneck to the GPU
    So increasing the resolution does make a difference. We got there eventually.



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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 16:04:02 (permalink)
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    The OP wanted to know if a 920 would bottleneck a 1080Ti. The answer is yes.



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    So increasing the resolution does make a difference. We got there eventually.

     
    I'm glad you were finally able to understand why saying it will bottleneck without defining a resolution is a useless statement.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/26 17:09:59 (permalink)
    My i5 6600K bottlenecks my 1070 on BF1 at 1440p. That's a very cpu demanding game and no bottleneck in most other games though but gives you an idea of how bad your bottleneck will be. If a pentium really outperforms your i7 920 then there's gonna be a massive bottleneck even at your monitor's resolution.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/27 00:01:51 (permalink)
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    The OP wanted to know if a 920 would bottleneck a 1080Ti. The answer is yes.



    Valtrius Malleus
    So increasing the resolution does make a difference. We got there eventually.

     
    I'm glad you were finally able to understand why saying it will bottleneck without defining a resolution is a useless statement.


     

    I suggested a resolution to use with a 920, which you then promptly suggested that it doesn't matter. Make your mind up.
     
     
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    If going for a 4K monitor I would say a 920 would suffice, but 1440p is where you sacrifice the resolution on favour of more frames. The best CPUs today are bottlenecked at 1080p and a first gen core i7 is really going to struggle, even at 1440p.
     

    CPUs don't care about resolution, this makes no sense.


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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/27 14:25:01 (permalink)
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    I suggested a resolution to use with a 920, which you then promptly suggested that it doesn't matter. Make your mind up.

    I did not say it doesn't matter, I said the CPU doesn't care about resolution. The GPU cares about resolution, the CPU will return the same FPS at any resolution until GPU limit kicks in.
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    Re: Bottleneck 2017/09/27 15:07:50 (permalink)
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    I suggested a resolution to use with a 920, which you then promptly suggested that it doesn't matter. Make your mind up.

    I did not say it doesn't matter, I said the CPU doesn't care about resolution. The GPU cares about resolution, the CPU will return the same FPS at any resolution until GPU limit kicks in.


    Yes. Like I said, at 1440p the 920 will bottleneck, at 4K you will get the most out of the 1080Ti.
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