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2014/12/23 21:10:05 (permalink)
So recently, I swapped motherboard/cpu combo's from my primary rig and my GF's rig. I swapped my Asus sabertooth P67 & 3570K with a EVGA P67 FTW & 2500K. Mainly for 3-way SLI possibilities & the overclocking ability of the 2500K(my 3570K hits A NASTY wall 4.4Ghz & recently lost stability@4.4Ghz and is starting to require more voltage). Anyway I had run some benchmarks before I had done the swap with my 3570K@4.2Ghz with the Sabertooth board & then run with the new board with the 2500K@4.6Ghz. Comparing my results before & after is interesting given the faqs. My physics score has gone up nearly 400 points, however in all the graphics tests, I have lost 2-3FPS. What i find interesting is with the Sabertooth board in SLI only runs PCI-Eslots at 8x8, where as the EVGA board is running 16x8, so it should have a decent amount more bandwidth if needed. With the bandwidth increase & a faster CPU to further eliminate CPU bottleneck, I was for sure expecting a slight increase. To add some complication to this story & against my better judgement, I did NOT Format! Being as it was the same chipset, I decided I'd see if I could get things running smooth, as I have in the past many times wtih no fuss. And so far I've had zero issues.  Assuming my memory is serving me correctly, both cards were run with a mild 250Mhz+ on the GPU cores. Just looking for others input on this matter, and I am up for any ideas! Attached is a comparison photo of the runs.

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/23 21:39:51 (permalink)
Ivy bridge was clearly the better performer here.
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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 00:57:57 (permalink)
Yeah, Ivy Bridge is running PCI-E 3.0 which has less latency as well... As for your overclock, it could be a result in changing the PSU. 

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 01:30:42 (permalink)
Both The Asus Sabertooth P67 & EVGA P67 FTW are limited by PCI-E 2.0, also no PSU change.
 
P.S. All CPU intensive tests show the 2500K@ 4.6Ghz clearly beating my 3570K@ 4.2Ghz. What most people say, i am finding accurate. In order for a 2500K to reach 3570K performance levels, it needs about 200Mhz more. It's about right on the money in fact.
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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 01:53:04 (permalink)
No, they are not. The PCI-E lanes are on the CPU, not the motherboard. Also, overclocking causes degradation... So it could have all ready lost it's stability and you are just now starting to notice running through the stability tests.
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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 10:45:49 (permalink)
yep noticed it in general gaming & computing. I feel like a moron, as I didn't realize PCI-E lanes were controlled through the CPU on SANDY/IVY, so thank you for the correction. Most other games I am seeing a boost in performance which is good being as so many titles are CPU intensive in today's world.
EDIT: My next question is this.....
So you have an old P67 motherboard advertised with PCI-E 2.0 slots, you pop in a IVY bridge CPU and voila magically they are 3.0? I just did read an article on this debate, and am still slightly confused by the matter I understand the 2500K is only capable of pushing PCI-E 2.0 bandwidth, whereas a 3570K will push 3570K PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth. But what about the motherboard & it's physical PCI-E 2.0 slots?!
post edited by j2345912 - 2014/12/24 13:06:51

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 16:30:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby j2345912 2014/12/24 21:24:27
Because PCI-E 3.0 was not on CPU's when P67 released, you will also notice in the specifications of those boards. It lists CPU support of 2nd generation i series processors and not 3rd generation... While the 3rd generation was supported later on with a BIOS update.

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 21:24:10 (permalink)
So Sandy/Ivy is the determining factor of the speeds of the PCI-E slots....I think I got exactly what you're saying! Rain I appreciate the info man! learn something new everyday. Glad you got me all squared away!

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 21:52:38 (permalink)
Some high end P67 boards use a NF200 chip that does add more PCI-E lanes. Those extra lanes are PCI-E 2.0.

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/24 22:05:02 (permalink)
I read that on that article! It's all good info. As for now though, performance with 2x 970's is so high in most games, the CPU becomes the bottleneck, so i'll just keep the 2500K in for now lol. RainStryke I appreciate your help man!

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Re: Any ideas? 2014/12/29 11:55:32 (permalink)
Well as an update to this performance impact, I decided to Update my P67 FTW to the latest bios, and re-install my 3570K and ramp it up to 4.2Ghz like before.  I actually came up with much worse performance scores then with the 2500k installed! So it lead's me to believe the PCI-3.0 wasn't the underlying performance difference. I may just Nuke & Pave & see how things come out. Perhaps the P67 FTW just ins't the performer like my Sabertooth P67 was.

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