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2020/11/01 08:58:47 (permalink)
CPU: 6700k @ 4.5 GHz
Mobo: Asrock Z170 Extreme7+
PSU: Seasonic Snow Silent Platinum Rated 1050w (5 years old)
 
Installed the 3090 with no issues. It was replacing my FTW3 1080 ti.
 
Card was mounted in the top x16 slot, and case was open to keep an eye on things because I'm paranoid whenever I install new hardware (heh...) So plenty of breathing room for it. Ambient temp in my room was like 72 F / 22 C. 
 
Updated to latest Nvidia drivers, installed Precision X1 and updated the firmware when prompted to. Changed the RGB color but didn't touch OCing or fan control. 3090 was idling around 30 C.
 
Ran a few games and tried rendering some stuff in Adobe Premiere. No issues and performance seemed great. Highest temp I saw was 63 C.
 
I'd had the card in for all of 4 hours at that point. I was idling on the desktop while chatting to a friend on Discord when suddenly... The screen went black, I heard the fans on the 3090 ramp up to jet engine mode, and I could faintly smell burnt plastic/electronics. Quickly powered the PC down and gave it a few minutes to cool off.
 
Powered back up and the card had a single red light with no RGB.
 
I was able to get into bios and windows using my 2nd monitor plugged into my mobo using the igpu. The 3090 wasn't recognized at all. Tried running DDU and reseating the card. No dice. Flipped the OC bios switch while powered down. Nothing.
 
So my brand new, $1800, not even out of the box for 24 hours GPU is a brick. I reinstalled my 1080ti and it's working just fine.
 
I called tech support last night and the guy I spoke to was great. Started the RMA process, went with the standard option so I just gotta ship my card back to get the replacement. Hopefully it was just a random lemon from the bunch and not indicative of a larger issue with FTW3s. But there's been several other threads, and this guy's video which all pretty much describe the same issues: (edit- can't post links?) youtube dot com watch?v=qUVdJxdqUNY
 
I'm also skimming these other threads talking about certain PSUs not being able to handle the 3090's transient power spikes. My PSU is a bit older now (Seasonic Snow Silent 1050w) but it's got more than enough wattage, and Seasonic isn't known for being crap... And never had an issue when my 1080ti was installed. So people saying "x PSU (doesn't) work with a 3090" seems like pretty worthless data, unless they've personally tested multiple PSUs with the same card.
 
 
 
 
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:01:05 (permalink)
    Are you using custom power cables, or the cables that came with the PSU?

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:02:16 (permalink)
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    Are you using custom power cables, or the cables that came with the PSU?





    All 3 cables came with the PSU.
    post edited by marcula - 2020/11/01 09:05:58
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:09:58 (permalink)
    Hopefully your only issue is a faulty card. 

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:13:48 (permalink)
    dang, sorry to see your card has failed
     
    Did you run it at all before installing the X1 software ? 
     
    X1 updates the MCU -- have to wonder if that is related to the failure, though we really wont know unless EVGA releases information about cards that fail

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:21:50 (permalink)
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    dang, sorry to see your card has failed
     
    Did you run it at all before installing the X1 software ? 
     
    X1 updates the MCU -- have to wonder if that is related to the failure, though we really wont know unless EVGA releases information about cards that fail




    Thanks dude.
     
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:27:06 (permalink)
    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:33:42 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.
     
    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:35:18 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.
     
    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:35:22 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.

    Indeed, that is very scary. In fact when my 3090 died after 14 minutes and I was able to return it, now all of the sudden my older cards looking pretty good.
    Things happen all the time and Its OK, but, yes, this seem to be to scary and how cards in question are going to be effected on long run.
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:37:03 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.
     
    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?

    450W card vs 250/280W cards.

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:40:47 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.

    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?

    450W card vs 250W cards.


    Then again, I've spoke to Seasonic yesterday and explanation on cabling with new or older cards and PSUs and he said.. Unless custom cables weren't created with org. PSU specs that might be a problem, but  that would pretty much apply to 24pin only as some PSUs 24pin cables have monitoring and dynamic voltage adjustment, other then that  that really wont make a difference so Its all up to the PSU itself and not much cabling
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:42:48 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.

    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?

    450W card vs 250W cards.


    Then again, I've spoke to Seasonic yesterday and explanation on cabling with new or older cards and he said.. Unless custom cables weren't created with org. PSU specs that might be a problem and that would pretty much apply to 24pin as some PSUs have monitoring and dynamic voltage adjustment, other then that  that really wont make a difference


    Wire gauge thickness makes a difference if power draw is higher over the same cable. It will heat up the cable a lot more - which is where I surmise the problem is coming from for custom cables that are thinner than the original PSU manufacturer's cables.
     
    However, I'm not an electrical engineer - just an old school ground radio repair dude with a passion for computer hardware.

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:44:51 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.

    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?

    450W card vs 250/280W cards.
    so you're saying a component within a 450w card can't handle a low power draw and decides to just crap out? I can understand if something failed in the psu and cause a power spike, forcing the gpu to burn out/shut down. But the idea of a GPU not getting enough power and then dying as a result is kind of absurd. There is a thread that listed psu that works with the 30 series cards or not, and if I remember correctly, most didn't kill the card. They just shut down or restarted the system. The way I'm seeing this, is a bad batch of cards or defective components...
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:46:05 (permalink)
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    Starting to see a pattern here, imagine the amount of Dead cards we don't hear about, because the user is not on the forums.



    There is a pattern - older power supplies, power supplies that are known to have problems with the 30 series, or newer power supplies that don't have those issues but they used custom cabling.
     
    Now, that's not the case for every one that has problems - but a good portion of them (about half from my own tally).
    so, how do you explain the custom cables not killing the users old card?



     
    Have to be very careful when getting a custom cable kit, make sure they actually do meet the specs of the OEM cables that came with the PSU. I am talking about wire gauge here and the pin outs match.
     
    Not even going to go into extensions, not a good idea for a lot of reasons, best to get the replacement kit. 
     
     

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:47:41 (permalink)
    Welp. Looks like I'm gonna buy a new PSU just to be safe. 
     
    I'm actually gearing up for a 5950x build. Was hoping my Seasonic would last through multiple builds, but better safe than sorry.
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:48:00 (permalink)
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    CPU: 6700k @ 4.5 GHz
    Mobo: Asrock Z170 Extreme7+
    PSU: Seasonic Snow Silent Platinum Rated 1050w PSU
     
    Installed the 3090 with no issues. It was replacing my FTW3 1080 ti.
     
    Card was mounted in the top x16 slot, and case was open to keep an eye on things because I'm paranoid whenever I install new hardware (heh...) So plenty of breathing room for it. Ambient temp in my room was like 72 F / 22 C. 
     
    Updated to latest Nvidia drivers, installed Precision X1 and updated the firmware when prompted to. Changed the RGB color but didn't touch OCing or fan control. 3090 was idling around 30 C.
     
    Ran a few games and tried rendering some stuff in Adobe Premiere. No issues and performance seemed great. Highest temp I saw was 63 C.
     
    I'd had the card in for all of 4 hours at that point. I was idling on the desktop while chatting to a friend on Discord when suddenly... The screen went black, I heard the fans on the 3090 ramp up to jet engine mode, and I could faintly smell burnt plastic/electronics. Quickly powered the PC down and gave it a few minutes to cool off.
     
    Powered back up and the card had a single red light with no RGB.
     
    I was able to get into bios and windows using my 2nd monitor plugged into my mobo using the igpu. The 3090 wasn't recognized at all. Tried running DDU and reseating the card. No dice. Flipped the OC bios switch while powered down. Nothing.
     
    So my brand new, $1800, not even out of the box for 24 hours GPU is a brick. I reinstalled my 1080ti and it's working just fine.
     
    I called tech support last night and the guy I spoke to was great. Started the RMA process, went with the standard option so I just gotta ship my card back to get the replacement. Hopefully it was just a random lemon from the bunch and not indicative of a larger issue with FTW3s. But there's been several other threads, and this guy's video which all pretty much describe the same issues: (edit- can't post links?) youtube dot com watch?v=qUVdJxdqUNY
     
    I'm also skimming these other threads talking about certain PSUs not being able to handle the 3090's transient power spikes. My PSU is a bit older now (Seasonic Snow Silent 1050w) but it's got more than enough wattage, and Seasonic isn't known for being crap... And never had an issue when my 1080ti was installed. So people saying "x PSU (doesn't) work with a 3090" seems like pretty worthless data, unless they've personally tested multiple PSUs with the same card.
     
     
     
     




     
    How old is that PSU?
     
     

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:54:39 (permalink)
    This is getting concerning this many 3090s in particular have had this red light of death issue.  The batch of 3080s with it seems to be quite small in comparison, seems a lot of the people having issues with 3090s at all are seeing this issue.  Starting to wonder just how big of an issue it is, I'm sure it only represents a small number of cards, but still.  Yikes.
    Almost makes me glad I didn't get a 3090.
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:55:56 (permalink)
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    How old is that PSU?



    5 years. 
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:56:54 (permalink)
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    How old is that PSU?



    5 years. 



    I would highly recommend getting a Platinum or Titanium level PSU, if you're going to buy a new one, simply because they can deal with the "sudden spikes" that have claimed more than a few lower-tier (or wattage) PSUs when exposed to 3090s or even 3080s on these forums and others.  A quality 1000-1200W PSU will last you at least the better part of a decade, and with the Plat or Titanium rating, they're efficient across the board, even at half-draw most of them are in the 90+% efficiency range.

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 09:59:24 (permalink)
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    How old is that PSU?



    5 years. 




     
    OK, that's the older model.
     
    Might want to upgrade to a newer model and it is getting close to end of warranty, 7 year warranty.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:05:55 (permalink)
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    How old is that PSU?



    5 years. 



    I would highly recommend getting a Platinum or Titanium level PSU, if you're going to buy a new one, simply because they can deal with the "sudden spikes" that have claimed more than a few lower-tier (or wattage) PSUs when exposed to 3090s or even 3080s on these forums and others.  A quality 1000-1200W PSU will last you at least the better part of a decade, and with the Plat or Titanium rating, they're efficient across the board, even at half-draw most of them are in the 90+% efficiency range.




     
    Efficiency rating has nothing to do with quality, there are a lot of junk PSUs out there that are rated Gold and above.
     
    The actual model of the PSU matters the most, why research is important, checking the Professional reviews/teardowns.
     
    All the makers do make crap, also somewhat OK and then the good ones.
     
    Getting a top tier high quality is very important with the new graphics cards.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:11:44 (permalink)
    marcula
    Welp. Looks like I'm gonna buy a new PSU just to be safe. 
     
    I'm actually gearing up for a 5950x build. Was hoping my Seasonic would last through multiple builds, but better safe than sorry.




     
    The one you have now has a 7 year warranty so not not really as they need to be replaced once they get close.
     
    The new Primes for example have 12 Year warranties so yeah, that's different.
     
     

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:26:49 (permalink)
    This might be a wrong place to post, but anyone within Canada and need good PSU I have brand new, still sealed 1300W Prime Platinum for pretty much half $, got 3 of them and now just sitting
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:33:35 (permalink)
    Oh boy now this is getting even more concerning as I await my opportunity to order a 3090 FTW3 Ultra...

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:34:49 (permalink)
    d.burnette
    Oh boy now this is getting even more concerning as I await my opportunity to order a 3090 FTW3 Ultra...




     
    I wouldn't worry about it. 

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:41:45 (permalink)
    This is a proof that one big batch of 3090 FTW3's are all faulty. They need to figure out from SN and send a warning.

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:43:01 (permalink)
    streamroller
    This is a proof that one big batch of 3090 FTW3's are all faulty. They need to figure out from SN and send a warning.
    or someone can make a thread with a survey from monkey survey or something to keep track of all these Dying 30s...
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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:43:46 (permalink)
    Man this is getting concerning. My Seasonic is 7 years old and I am hoping to pair a 3070 with it. Hope such problems do not come to the 3070 being a low wattage card

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    Re: Another one bites the dust... 3090 FTW3 Ultra bricked within hours of installation. 2020/11/01 10:46:00 (permalink)
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    Man this is getting concerning. My Seasonic is 7 years old and I am hoping to pair a 3070 with it. Hope such problems do not come to the 3070 being a low wattage card




     
    If it's that old it needs to be replaced regardless of what GPU you are getting.

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