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2017/10/02 06:31:05 (permalink)
Hi All!
 
 
I am hoping to rebuild my w/cing loop after a tragic incident involving plasticizers. Well not tragic but I noticed my loop was clogged and I use distilled water and a kill coil. I built this loop 5 years ago before I knew plasticizers were even a thing. Anyhow I want to rebuild my loop for my new rig.
 
I currently have a h75 on a 6600k which is doing well (had to buy something to replace my loop). I want to put that setup into a build for my fiance so that means I need to use my old loop to cool my new 7700k and my 1080ti.
 
I plan on delidding my 7700k (not sure if I, personally, should do it or not). I then have my old ek waterblock from my original sandy bridge build that still works if I buy the updated backplate. I'm thinking this should be fine as waterblock design should have changed THAT much that I'll have hugely different temps by getting a more up-to-date block.
 
I'd like to use EK's gpu waterblock as it is 129.99 either in black or clear (any reviews?).
 
I'm hoping to tie this all into one loop. My pump should be plenty strong although old (all of these parts are from my 5 year old loop). I have a super thick xspc 360 rad that I used 3, 1850 gentle typhoons in a pull setup. And I will be getting a dual bay res with flow indicator from EK because my old res isn't going to fit anymore.
 
I'm wondering if the 360 rad with 3 fans will be enough to cool and OC'd 7700k and a 1080ti. Should I do push/pull? Two rads? Two different sizes?
 
Thinking: Res>Pump>CPU>Rad>GPU>Res/repeat
 
I'm looking for any suggestions or tips for this. I only want to build this loop once. I'll be getting higher quality hose this time but I always use distilled water and a kill coil and compression fittings. So I certainly strive for quality and reliability.
 
Thanks gents! Look forward to hearing your input!

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 06:34:52 (permalink)
Go res-pump-rad-cpu-gpu-rad-res. Going to the radiator in between the cpu and gpu will just end up using more tuning more than likely. The temps change will be negligible, so it won’t hurt anything on either the cpu or gpu. You will also get much cleaner lines this way.

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 06:41:45 (permalink)
Only have one Rad so far though, are you suggesting to grab another rad? Or for single would you suggest: res-pump-rad-cpu-gpu-res/repeat?
 
 
Definitely will post photos, may not be for a month or so though while I acquire everything :)
 
Another question for those of you reading the thread, how should I clean all the gunk out of my old radiator, waterblock, fittings and pump?
 
 

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 11:17:14 (permalink)
 im assuming its a rx360 due to your timeline? if so that rad will be plenty for a cpu gpu loop. if your going to use a ek gpu block make sure you DONT use a killcoil. their blocks dont play well with silver for some reason(google it). just use a biocide like petras pt nuke and distilled. your loop configuration really isnt that important as long as the res is above the pump. just use the easiest and shortest route you can and you should be golden. GL!

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 11:33:38 (permalink)
One rad would work for both that cpu and gpu, but for better temps you can add another rad....as Maxfly said stick with a biocide and distilled. 
On a side note, I keep a spare D5 pump handy as a backup as I had mine die abruptly after 5+ years. To me it's worth it to have a spare but your mileage may vary ;) 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 11:46:30 (permalink)
There are some links about cleaning your loop here: Link #1 - look under Maintenance & Link #10 - Radiator Cleaning
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You can use the one Rad, I'd use the fans in push mode as it usually is more effective pressurizing the air through the rad.
 
I like: and have had great results from this combo with my EK waterblocks
- Primochill Advanced LRT Tubing
- Primochill Sys Prep as a final clean
- Primochill Liquid Utopia "Protectant" with distilled water from local store, (steam distilled, micro-filtered, UV light and Ozonation) - very clean water 
 
 
 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 13:25:00 (permalink)
Hmm, silver and EK blocks having problems you say...maybe that's why I had flakey chunks in my loop and not due to plasticizers. 
 
Anyhow! I do have the rx360 rad, a classic. Has some bent fins I'll have to fix but works great. Also can't remember the pump name but it has the xspc acrylic top on it.
 
Due to the design of my case I kind of have to use a push setup on my rad. The main intake on my case is from the bottom where there's space for 6 fans or two 360 rads. I'm just wondering if I will need 3 extra fans to also pull on the radiator. Not sure how much heat a max OC for both a 7700k and 1080ti is gonna make. 
 
Amazing to know one rad can do it, very happy! Crazy about the kill coil stuff, always liked the science behind it. Back to PT Nuke I guess. Now does that biocide have to be reapplied? 
 
Thanks everyone for the responses :D

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/02 13:30:23 (permalink)

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/04 16:39:51 (permalink)
Alrighty so it seems the primochill hose comes as a retail package with all of that stuff, so I will go with that! As for my loop I'm trying to visualize what will work best. I have the mcp355 which I will be installing in an xspc dual bay res. So I'm thinking my best loop would be Res>Pump>GPU>Rad>CPU>Res I assume that will be fine. we are going for path of least hose, tight bends and most assistance from gravity.
 

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/04 16:49:17 (permalink)
These maintenance videos lol. I didn't take my loop apart for 7 years. Was good for the entire time. Even clogged up with chunks it still had my cpu at 40 under load, stock of course.
 

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/05 12:01:48 (permalink)
i would go res>pump>cpu>gpu>rad>res. your pump uses the liquid to cool it's self also so sticking warmer liquid in it may shorten the life. also the kill coils are only good for a year or two, usually they will change color. 
as for coolant, you want to change it about once a year, the biocide will breakdown over time so a drain and flush with new will keep everything happy. i use EK cryofuel with distilled water and it holds up great i also use DP ultra premix from aquacommputer in another system (with a aluminum rad and copper block) and it works great with no corrosion or discoloring at all.

                               
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/05 12:17:09 (permalink)
I like to send cool water to the GPU first - they are more temp sensitive than the CPU -- However, the system will stabilize is you run it long enough at a constant load --- like say Folding 24x7

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/05 16:02:03 (permalink)
I shall see if I can make it work with the rad at the end. I certainly don't fold but I do game for a few hours. My room is also pretty chilly, good ambient temps.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/24 06:48:37 (permalink)
Sorry to bump and older thread but I have a question. So is the Primochill Advanced LRT tubing WITHOUT Plasticizer?
 
I found 15ft of Primochill PRO LRT in my garage from a few years ago, sealed up. Primochill told me that the Pro tubing uses no plasticizers but if I showed you the white gunk on the inside of the Pro LRT tubing from my previous loop you'd be slow to trust Primochill also.
 
I really don't want gunk floating in my loop so what tubing can I go with that is known safe and from a trusted manufacturer. The fact that I have to throw out 40$ work of tubing is super upsetting also.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/24 09:42:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby spitfire5792 2017/10/24 13:50:05
Couple weeks is not an old thread; you will probably catch some flack if it was over a year old
 
 
If you look at my Mods Rigs build or click the link in my signature "Nibbler" goes to my build log
 
You will see I use Primochill PrimoFlex Advanced LTR ----> never had an issue with mine ---> New, boxed product came with system prep inside box
 
I hear your concerns; I reviewed hundreds of posts and explored the "gunk" / Plasticizer issue people had experienced.
 
I Only use Primochill product for that reason.  I figured if hose, cleaner and "biocide" were all from one Mfg ---> no finger pointing if I have an issue.
 
So, I only use distilled water, Primochill System Prep & then Primochill Liquid Utopia (biocide/ anti-corrosion) with fresh distilled ---> [No Silver Coil in My loop]
 
 
 
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/24 13:50:03 (permalink)
I mean I was running a silver kill coil and an EK block but the white residue in my system looks like plasticizer (based on other threads pictures) and not the black mess thatg you get when mixing a kill coil and ek block....idk.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/24 21:28:06 (permalink)
Just to be clear
 
Some posts in the many different forums around the web had issues (if I remember correctly about 2 yr ago, lol)
 
I would avoid older LTR, especially if it was bought from a "bulk reel" and Not "retail Boxed LTR with the system prep included"
 
You could always ask Primochill, to check their records and see if your product has any complaints or ask to exchange the material you have
 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/25 09:43:16 (permalink)
Well I bought a fresh sealed retail kit of the black Advanced LRT. Fingers crossed it all works out well. Found an old bottle of PT_Nuke that I may use if I don't get the primochill biocide with the retail kit.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/25 10:44:12 (permalink)
 What about corrosion protection ?
 
 
PrimoChill Liquid Utopia - 15ml Bottle - (PrimoChill site)
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  • Environmentally Responsible, Safe, and Non Toxic Product
  • Protects Ferrous and Non-Ferrous Metals From Corrosion
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  • Can be used in new install(recommended) or existing loops.

 
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I do not remember the actual post / article or I'd site it ----->  I'm staying away from PT-Nuke & silver
 
 
 
 
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/26 03:59:29 (permalink)
spitfire5792 
 
Thinking: Res>Pump>CPU>Rad>GPU>Res/repeat
 

 
Order of components doesn't really matter except that the Res should feed to the pump to prevent the pump from running dry (especially at startup). Other than that you would want to run it with shortest tube runs. Also, I believe there was an issue with silver kill coils causing EK's nickel plating to flake off (even happened to my FC block on my 980 ti). Personally, I've since avoided using any corrosion inhibitor/antimicrobial additives. I've since been using just distilled water in my rig and so far still no problems/growth. But I do replace water every ~6 months and then do full teardown and cleaning every year. As long as you can keep up with maintenance you should be alright.  
 
 
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/30 08:32:42 (permalink)
So today I got all of my supplies in and will be cleaning all my fittings, radiator and pump. I plan on using vinegar to clean my old components as they have plasticizer all over them. I'm not sure if I want to use the sys-prep or not....not too many reviews, positive or negative on it.
 
My question is, many of my fittings (bitspower) are 5-7 years old. Do I just need to remove and clean the old o-rings or do they need to be replaced?
 
Also is there an easy way to tell if my pump/bay res has any leaks before running the watercooling system? It seems these bay reservoirs can be prone to leaks? I have the XSPC Single Liang DDC (I'm using the swiftech mcp355) dual bay res.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/31 10:00:39 (permalink)
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So today I got all of my supplies in and will be cleaning all my fittings, radiator and pump. I plan on using vinegar to clean my old components as they have plasticizer all over them. I'm not sure if I want to use the sys-prep or not....not too many reviews, positive or negative on it.
 
My question is, many of my fittings (bitspower) are 5-7 years old. Do I just need to remove and clean the old o-rings or do they need to be replaced?
 
Also is there an easy way to tell if my pump/bay res has any leaks before running the watercooling system? It seems these bay reservoirs can be prone to leaks? I have the XSPC Single Liang DDC (I'm using the swiftech mcp355) dual bay res.




you can do a test run the pump in a sink or tub by jumping the PSU (keeping this away from water of course). 
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/10/31 11:29:31 (permalink)
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So today I got all of my supplies in and will be cleaning all my fittings, radiator and pump. I plan on using vinegar to clean my old components as they have plasticizer all over them. I'm not sure if I want to use the sys-prep or not....not too many reviews, positive or negative on it.
 
My question is, many of my fittings (bitspower) are 5-7 years old. Do I just need to remove and clean the old o-rings or do they need to be replaced?
 
Also is there an easy way to tell if my pump/bay res has any leaks before running the watercooling system? It seems these bay reservoirs can be prone to leaks? I have the XSPC Single Liang DDC (I'm using the swiftech mcp355) dual bay res.


If it was me, I'd replace all of the O-rings on the fittings. I've had some that were 2-3 years old and caused leaks and pretty substantial ones too; when they go they go completely and you don't want any surprises after you put it all together. As for the the Sys-prep? IDK I don't see how it could hurt. 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/01 05:53:28 (permalink)
Well I replaced pretty much all the orings. The orings I could get were a bit thicker but they should be fine definitely still sealing everything in. Got about halfway through plumbing my loop. Putting the waterblock on the gpu took a while. That moment when you realize that twice after mounting the waterblock you forgot to peel off the thermal pad backing (yeah....that was a fun realization...both times).
 
I'm hoping I didn't damage anything in the process. I'm more afraid of physically harming components during install vs getting a leak. Leaks are easy, just let the part dry off and try again.
 
Fingers crossed it all goes well.
 
I will note that evga has labels on their blackplate and card which state that upon removal the warranty is void. This is confusing since I thought evga doesn't void warranties for removing coolers.
 
 
Fingers crossed for me gents. I'll post up some photos too.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/01 06:16:07 (permalink)
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/01 19:02:48 (permalink)
Loop is all assembled. So far so good in terms of leaks, now for my temps I was hoping for a little insight.

When I used to run just my 6600k on a loop with a swiftech microres, xspc top on my mcp355 but same thick as heck xspc360 rad my temps were around 19-23 at idle and maybe 35-41 underload in battlefield 1, supersampled max settings all that. Probably my most demanding game?

Now with the current setup on a 7700k and a 1080ti Fe in the loop with a bayres directly hooked to my pump and the same rad, I'm seeing 68-70 for the cpu and it's only at 50% ish usage (afterburner).

My gpu is at about 50% usage at 50c.

Are these somewhat normal temps for a single 360 rad loop? I feel like the cpu is too hot and I would never be able to OC on this loop :/
 
Edit: worth noting I have this 7700k delidded. I ran Prime65 for about 2-3 minutes at Small FFTs and hit 70-71 on my hottest core.
 




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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/03 07:06:59 (permalink)
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I will note that evga has labels on their blackplate and card which state that upon removal the warranty is void. This is confusing since I thought evga doesn't void warranties for removing coolers.
 

 
You might be talking about the sticker with the Serial number on it? removing that will void warranty as such it could be that someone might try to switch a serial # on a card.
 
 
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Loop is all assembled. So far so good in terms of leaks, now for my temps I was hoping for a little insight.

When I used to run just my 6600k on a loop with a swiftech microres, xspc top on my mcp355 but same thick as heck xspc360 rad my temps were around 19-23 at idle and maybe 35-41 underload in battlefield 1, supersampled max settings all that. Probably my most demanding game?

Now with the current setup on a 7700k and a 1080ti Fe in the loop with a bayres directly hooked to my pump and the same rad, I'm seeing 68-70 for the cpu and it's only at 50% ish usage (afterburner). 

My gpu is at about 50% usage at 50c.

Are these somewhat normal temps for a single 360 rad loop? I feel like the cpu is too hot and I would never be able to OC on this loop :/
 
Edit: worth noting I have this 7700k delidded. I ran Prime65 for about 2-3 minutes at Small FFTs and hit 70-71 on my hottest core.



 
I would try reseating the block and also make sure there are no air still stuck in the  lines/block (running with a jumped PSU for ~12 hours, filling water as needed into the res). I've ran my 6700K with 2 x 1080 Ti FTW3 on a 420/3x140mm rad and not have my CPU reach higher than mid 60s @ 100%.  
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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/03 07:59:02 (permalink)
I realized my fans were in backwards. Instead of pushing fresh air through the thick 360 rad, it was pulling the warmed air in the case, through and out the side....much less efficient. I'm hoping this solves much of my issues.

 

 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/05 16:04:07 (permalink)
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I realized my fans were in backwards. Instead of pushing fresh air through the thick 360 rad, it was pulling the warmed air in the case, through and out the side....much less efficient. I'm hoping this solves much of my issues.


Let's hope so; I did that once too and couldn't understand why the temps were so bad until I turned them around lol. 

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Re: 7700k & 1080ti on single loop 2017/11/06 10:36:52 (permalink)
Well fixing the fans helped but I had to order another rad. The heat load was too much for my single 360. Water temps would keep climbing slowly no matter what. Unless the load was close to idle it would always keep climbing up and up.

 

 

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