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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 19:29:21 (permalink)

Nope, looks good for the stock 450W VBIOS. If it does the same thing with the XOC VBIOS, then the XC3 VBIOS would help. But you may be lucky and be able to pull around 480W+ average with the XOC and not need to use the XC3 VBIOS at all.


Does the switch on the card (normal or OC) point to two bios chips? Is it possible to update one of them to XOC and leave the other stock?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 19:46:11 (permalink)
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Does the switch on the card (normal or OC) point to two bios chips? Is it possible to update one of them to XOC and leave the other stock?

Yes, and yes.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 19:54:39 (permalink)
I have a 2014 from Taiwan and why am I scoring only 14,341 even at 180mhz core and 1100mhz memory with the XOC VBIOS? Actually I prefer to run games as I play alot of them and my card is performing well above on what my 2080TIi FTW3 did in my games I play. I ran the TimeSpy Extreme with a core at 180mhz and memory at 1200 and got a power draw of 484watts. I did a run with Port Royal and hit 494watts from the card but still can't get past 14,300 with a score. The card was clocked the same with the TimeSpy and I gained on that score.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:03:55 (permalink)
I think as more of us get these hybrid cards we can determine what is bad/average/good as far as over clocking capabilities. This is of course if others post their oc data on here. Maybe we can organize it into a spreadsheet. Ex. we can have values for user, memory, core, voltage, bios version, max temp, ambient (room) temp, power draw, rad setup (exhaust/intake, push, pull, push-pull). This could eventually provide much needed information for newer over clockers.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:12:36 (permalink)
Made a spreadsheet template, see what you guys think.

https://docs.google.com/s...PCqM/edit?usp=drivesdk

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:32:04 (permalink)
I thought I would do a little OC work on my new 3090 FTW3 Ultra (purchased from Walmart, has the red lips). I switched it to the stock OC Bios, which I found didn't give hardly any increase. Still, I decided to see how far I could push that. It's winter here, so I took the side panel off my Lian Li O11 Dynamic mid tower and opened the window. I ran both Time Spy Extreme and Port Royal. I didn't save my scores, but I see my last Time Spy Extreme score was 10,436, since I have it still sitting up in front of me. I know I got a bit over 14,000 in Port Royal, like 14,082 I think? I was able to push +235 on my core and +1200 on my mem before things got a little unstable, I had some artifacting in TSE, but the run completed just fine. Looking at GPU-Z I have up I see that my top clock was 2205 MHz, GPU temp of 49 C (told you it was winter!). I had a custom fan profile in Afterburner that pushed the fans to 100%, which is a bit over 3000 RPM (and still fairly quiet, really, good job on the fan noise profile EVGA, and zero coil whine!). This was on the stock OC Bios, so my peak power draw was 456.5W, according to GPU-Z. Overall I think I got a decent card, I might try to 500W Bios sometime and see what I can do with it. Still, I bought this primarily to game, so that's what I will be doing with it, plus maybe a little folding@home.
 
Overall, I really didn't want to pay this much for a card, even though I got it at retail price. I was hoping to get a 3080 FTW3 Ultra instead, but oh well, I'll consider myself lucky to have gotten anything these days.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:32:32 (permalink)
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Made a spreadsheet template, see what you guys think.

https://docs.google.com/s...PCqM/edit?usp=drivesdk


Add a column to how they proves their stability, they can link their 3dmarl stability test for Instance, although those don't prove stability either. Better than nothing I suppose.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:37:06 (permalink)
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Made a spreadsheet template, see what you guys think.

https://docs.google.com/s...PCqM/edit?usp=drivesdk


Add a column to how they proves their stability, they can link their 3dmarl stability test for Instance, although those don't prove stability either. Better than nothing I suppose.


Got it. Feel free to make any suggestions or changes. I made it to where anyone can edit it.

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 21:44:36 (permalink)
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Made a spreadsheet template, see what you guys think.

https://docs.google.com/s...PCqM/edit?usp=drivesdk


This is a fantastic idea! Thank you for putting it together. I will work on some entries tommorow :).

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 22:13:56 (permalink)
New record for me on stock bios:
 
Memory +1100/Core+175/voltage+50: 14601 Maxtemp: 55C (fans at max)
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/591567
 
How do I share my runs? It always says they are hidden.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 22:19:07 (permalink)
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New record for me on stock bios:
 
Memory +1100/Core+175/voltage+30: 14601 Maxtemp: 55C (fans at max)
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54181139
 
How do I share my runs? It always says they are hidden.



In 3dmark in the settings you have hide results by default.
Other wise you can go to the result while logged into website and change it to public with the button next to the delete button at the top of the details page.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/03 22:50:32 (permalink)
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New record for me on stock bios:
 
Memory +1100/Core+175/voltage+30: 14601 Maxtemp: 55C (fans at max)
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54181139
 
How do I share my runs? It always says they are hidden.



In 3dmark in the settings you have hide results by default.
Other wise you can go to the result while logged into website and change it to public with the button next to the delete button at the top of the details page.


Hmm I see that button and when I click it it toggles to hide my result. Then i toggle it off but still is hidden for those not logged in as me.
post edited by Mathieas - 2020/12/03 23:01:49

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:06:52 (permalink)
Would you say that there is about 6" needed in depth for clearance from where the tubes would be able to bend in a case?  

3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:08:41 (permalink)
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Would you say that there is about 6" needed in depth for clearance from where the tubes would be able to bend in a case?  


I'd say at least 6.5 inches. Is doing a vertical install an option?

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:11:18 (permalink)
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Would you say that there is about 6" needed in depth for clearance from where the tubes would be able to bend in a case?  




 
Just to clarify are you asking about top of card to case door clearance? 
 
My top of card to side of case is about 2.5 inches. When I close my door it does slightly push on my  tubes but they are forming a memory and push very little on the door now.
 
 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:31:23 (permalink)
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Would you say that there is about 6" needed in depth for clearance from where the tubes would be able to bend in a case?  




 
Just to clarify are you asking about top of card to case door clearance? 
 
My top of card to side of case is about 2.5 inches. When I close my door it does slightly push on my  tubes but they are forming a memory and push very little on the door now.
 
 




Yeah, basically the card is listed as being 5.5" width but have to account for the tubes.  Seeing other photos of the ftw3 ultra in a 280x, it doesn't seem there is enough room to shut the side panel, unless the tubes are generous with their bending.  
 
https://preview.redd.it/f...f272d208bbce148c9f5ee5

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:35:47 (permalink)
Please see below picture to give you an idea of what 2.5inch clearance looks like. Looks like about 3 slots width. You could go more extreme then what I did maybe reduce to 2 slots?
 
https://ibb.co/fSCQSpY
 

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:40:44 (permalink)
How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:42:36 (permalink)
My best score so far xoc bios , Taiwan card .
xoc bios works for me unfortunately
+165 core +1100 memory ,max pl and max voltage

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523673

With the stock bios im about 200 points less
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:43:38 (permalink)
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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 
post edited by Mathieas - 2020/12/04 12:47:23

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:52:41 (permalink)
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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 




But your hand in front of the rad and see how hot the air blowing in is ? 
I assume it isn't making the case all that much warmer than a normal GPU, correct?
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:54:23 (permalink)
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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 




But your hand in front of the rad and see how hot the air blowing in is ? 
I assume it isn't making the case all that much warmer than a normal GPU, correct?




HAHA! That I can do! Oh I forgot I have a ecobee remote sensor, I will stick that in front of it. Stand by.

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 12:55:58 (permalink)
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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 




But your hand in front of the rad and see how hot the air blowing in is ? 
I assume it isn't making the case all that much warmer than a normal GPU, correct?




It is making my case and room much warmer then my Titan Xp OC(with modified 1080ti Hybrid kit). This is expected as it pulls about 100-150W more power.
 
 
So at Idle it was quite a nice cooler air, and after timespy it was quite a bit warmer. If you were chilled it was warm enough to make you feel better.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 13:12:18 (permalink)
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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 




But your hand in front of the rad and see how hot the air blowing in is ? 
I assume it isn't making the case all that much warmer than a normal GPU, correct?




It is making my case and room much warmer then my Titan Xp OC(with modified 1080ti Hybrid kit). This is expected as it pulls about 100-150W more power.
 
 
So at Idle it was quite a nice cooler air, and after timespy it was quite a bit warmer. If you were chilled it was warm enough to make you feel better.


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How warm is the air coming through the radiator? I have a Noctua Air Cooler and my only option will be as a front intake with the Hybrid. 




I am not quite sure how to answer that accurately. If you provide a suggested SOP or test I would be happy to try it if I am able : ). 




But your hand in front of the rad and see how hot the air blowing in is ? 
I assume it isn't making the case all that much warmer than a normal GPU, correct?




It is making my case and room much warmer then my Titan Xp OC(with modified 1080ti Hybrid kit). This is expected as it pulls about 100-150W more power.
 
 
So at Idle it was quite a nice cooler air, and after timespy it was quite a bit warmer. If you were chilled it was warm enough to make you feel better.



Thanks, I wonder if I should just get an AIO for my CPU now and have them both as intake with an exhaust fan at the back. I will probably stick with air for now and see what my CPU temps get up to before doing that though. 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 13:32:53 (permalink)
That sounds like a good plan to me RBK. You may want to get the AIO for CPU to exhaust along with the rear. Having the two inputs fighting could produce turbulence and stagnant air flow. I am not an expert though so YMMV :).
 
 

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 13:45:55 (permalink)
Well 14302 is the best I can do on stock OC bios on air: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54208938? 
Core +135
Mem +1000
Power 107%
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It pulls a max of 460 W as reported by GPU-Z. 
 
Anything higher on core is unstable. For TimeSpy or gaming I have to bring it down to +100. My TimeSpy graphics score sucks: 19600. But I am unsure if my CPU is holding me back there (even though CPU is not supposed to affect graphics score). 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 13:49:52 (permalink)
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Well 14302 is the best I can do on stock OC bios on air: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54208938? 
Core +135
Mem +1000
Power 107%
Taiwan red lips

It pulls a max of 460 W as reported by GPU-Z. 

Anything higher on core is unstable. For TimeSpy or gaming I have to bring it down to +100. My TimeSpy graphics score sucks: 19600. But I am unsure if my CPU is holding me back there (even though CPU is not supposed to affect graphics score). 


Timespy does have a CPU test that does play a role in score. So your thoughts are spot on there.
 
If you run the Precision X1 OC Scanner what does it recommend for your OC?
 

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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 13:57:26 (permalink)
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Well 14302 is the best I can do on stock OC bios on air: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54208938? 
Core +135
Mem +1000
Power 107%
Taiwan red lips

It pulls a max of 460 W as reported by GPU-Z. 

Anything higher on core is unstable. For TimeSpy or gaming I have to bring it down to +100. My TimeSpy graphics score sucks: 19600. But I am unsure if my CPU is holding me back there (even though CPU is not supposed to affect graphics score). 


Timespy does have a CPU test that does play a role in score. So your thoughts are spot on there.
 
If you run the Precision X1 OC Scanner what does it recommend for your OC?
 




Ironically the OC Scanner is spot on in my case. It recommended a +134 core. 
 
Does the CPU play a role in the TimeSpy GRAPHICS score though? That's what I am confused about. I see 3090s scoring over 21k in TimeSpy graphics and I can't even break 20k with mine. Sometimes I achieve 130 FPS on Test 1 and then below 110 on Test 2. Then other times I will achieve 120 FPS on Test 1 and 115 on Test 2. Odd and inconsistent behaviour. When I check on the 3DMark rankings I see plenty of 3090s paired with a 4790K scoring over 20k in graphics score. 
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 14:00:33 (permalink)
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Ironically the OC Scanner is spot on in my case. It recommended a +134 core. 
 
Does the CPU play a role in the TimeSpy GRAPHICS score though? That's what I am confused about. I see 3090s scoring over 21k in TimeSpy graphics and I can't even break 20k with mine. Sometimes I achieve 130 FPS on Test 1 and then below 110 on Test 2. Then other times I will achieve 120 FPS on Test 1 and 115 on Test 2. Odd and inconsistent behaviour. When I check on the 3DMark rankings I see plenty of 3090s paired with a 4790K scoring over 20k in graphics score. 


Yes. You can overclock your CPU and RAM and increase your graphics score a bit. That's why this last release all the big techtubers used Port Royal. It doesn't scale past a certain point in overclocking CPU/RAM for a more even playing field.
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Re: 3090FTW3 Hybrid Port Royal Results 2020/12/04 14:12:34 (permalink)
I am not hitting the same scores as with this compare as 3090 is clocked higher and my my temp don't go past 62C at full load. I am getting nearly 300 points less with a higher overclock. Exiting Precision X1 before opening 3dMark doesn't change my score one bit when I set the clocks and fan speed. I am getting nearly 485+ power draw from the the when running the benchmark.
https://www.3dmark.com/co.are/pr/588654/pr/591567#
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