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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 04:33:01 (permalink)
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So compared to stock vs placing heatsinks on an active fan cooling, what's the temperature drop across the memory?


For me it went from 100+ mem j temp to 85 mining the hottest mem temp 80+ with out to 65-66. This is with a 1300 to 1350 mem over clock I still can't get pictures to work on here for me!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 04:37:52 (permalink)
Definitely sounds worth doing, does it have be thermal pads? anyone experimented with thermal paste with heatsinks or liquid metal with heatsinks?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 04:56:17 (permalink)
What's your mem?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 05:05:24 (permalink)
hits 108c mining @ 1100+
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 06:02:31 (permalink)
****, I hit like 70-80s on mem junction mining +1500 and 120 mhs, though I'm sure I could improve the VF curve for mining and reduce power consumption a bit
On that note my MP5WORKS backplate was set to get here Tuesday but now it's out for delivery today
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 18:58:47 (permalink)
Per Customer support for the 3090 FTW3:
Hi Deadpocketss,

The thermal pad thicknesses are below in mm:

Cooler:
One pad 6.5*7.7*2.75
Two pads 14*53*2.25
One pad 12*15*2.25
One pad 5*110*2.25

Backplate:
One pad 14*10*2
Two pads 51*12*2
One pad 38*12*2

Regards,
EVGA

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 20:14:46 (permalink)
DZelmer- how are you keeping your junction that low??  Did I miss your setup?  The best I am getting is holding my junction to 96 and thats after a chunk of work.  My miner settings are similar- but my mem is at only +650 (t-rex).  The heat this machine is pouring into my house is going to make this unsustainable in June and July.
I am frustrated with my Junction temps- I would love to get in the 80s
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 23:38:09 (permalink)
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DZelmer- how are you keeping your junction that low??  Did I miss your setup?  The best I am getting is holding my junction to 96 and thats after a chunk of work.  My miner settings are similar- but my mem is at only +650 (t-rex).  The heat this machine is pouring into my house is going to make this unsustainable in June and July.
I am frustrated with my Junction temps- I would love to get in the 80s


2 of these
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073QS338W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
a 3000 rpm noctua fan right on top and no back plate only .5 mm thermal pads...this was as temp set up but ya i just left it working on a solid copper back plate to put the mp5works cooler on. adding the hydro copper kit also. There should be some Pictures in one of these threads search my posts if that even possible.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 23:46:22 (permalink)
Maybe this will work for me since i can't get any other way to work with out resizing the pictures down to almost nothing.
 
3090 Kingpin no back plate heatsinks .5 mm thermal pads 3000 rpm noctua fan about 2200 rpm
 
https://drive.google.com/...EBf0?usp=sharing 
 
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/30 23:54:59 (permalink)
Screen shots added to google drive Link above let me know it this doesn't work either 
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 00:58:27 (permalink)
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Maybe this will work for me since i can't get any other way to work with out resizing the pictures down to almost nothing.
 
3090 Kingpin no back plate heatsinks .5 mm thermal pads 3000 rpm noctua fan about 2200 rpm
 
 
 



Yes can see the pictures, interesting way of cooling it. So looks like backplate itself is also not as good as direct contact with heatsinks.
 
 think I can improved it, but need more cooling
post edited by K3vst3rshot - 2021/05/31 01:08:05
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 01:22:50 (permalink)
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DZelmerMaybe this will work for me since i can't get any other way to work with out resizing the pictures down to almost nothing.
 
3090 Kingpin no back plate heatsinks .5 mm thermal pads 3000 rpm noctua fan about 2200 rpm

Yes can see the pictures, interesting way of cooling it. So looks like backplate itself is also not as good as direct contact with heatsinks.

 
I can see the pix on Google drive as well.
@DZelmer looks like you've got the gpu clock dialed down for mining. Are you using the card for gaming and/or work as well? What happens to the clocks, temps, etc, if so?
 
While we're waiting to see what Optimus brings to the table, I'm also working on a flat backplate for the back side of the card. I don't mine though, and the intent in my case of course is to bring those vram temps in check as well. I'm also not fond of the reported mediocre performance of the HC block, so I'm working on my own solution for that side as well which will include a generic gpu waterblock, a redesigned copper plate, copper shims on the vram packages, as well as tim and putty. It's tedious work, but for now I think it'll be the most optimal solution. 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 07:17:28 (permalink)
Use imgbb.com
Use direct link to uploaded pics to add into post using the edit function, there will be 3 attach icons in the top right of the edit section, Use the add picture one
Edit- this is good on PC, for mobile you're boned lol, have yet to figure that out
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 10:52:38 (permalink)
How's this score? decent?


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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 10:54:36 (permalink)
I only have port royal benchmarks atm
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 11:20:29 (permalink)
If you look at the same config as yours, you are good I believe

https://www.3dmark.com/se...lock=&maxCpuClock=

The hardest points to get are the last ones...

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 18:57:18 (permalink)
Thanks for the info- looks like removing the backplate can be very worth it.  I have not pulled the trigger yet, but may have to.  Good info.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 19:48:14 (permalink)
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DZelmerMaybe this will work for me since i can't get any other way to work with out resizing the pictures down to almost nothing.
 
3090 Kingpin no back plate heatsinks .5 mm thermal pads 3000 rpm noctua fan about 2200 rpm

Yes can see the pictures, interesting way of cooling it. So looks like backplate itself is also not as good as direct contact with heatsinks.

 
I can see the pix on Google drive as well.
@DZelmer looks like you've got the gpu clock dialed down for mining. Are you using the card for gaming and/or work as well? What happens to the clocks, temps, etc, if so?
 
While we're waiting to see what Optimus brings to the table, I'm also working on a flat backplate for the back side of the card. I don't mine though, and the intent in my case of course is to bring those vram temps in check as well. I'm also not fond of the reported mediocre performance of the HC block, so I'm working on my own solution for that side as well which will include a generic gpu waterblock, a redesigned copper plate, copper shims on the vram packages, as well as tim and putty. It's tedious work, but for now I think it'll be the most optimal solution. 


ya clocks are down for mining along with power to 75 if i turn them up it just runs hotter and pulls more power at the same 20-23 mhs. 300 to 320 watts seem to be the sweet spot for my card.  I can still use the computer for every say stuff running the way it is with out any problems. only time i turn the miners off are when im playing games just about every night for at least a hour when i can swing it. 
 
Not sure if the hc is just ok or the fact that these cards are quite power hungry and have to put all that heat in to 1 small area. Dabadgers temps seem to be pretty good with the hc kit. I have to get mine on also don't forget most of those reports are with out any back plate cooling at least the ones i looked at.  
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 20:15:31 (permalink)
I can set core to even 1400 mhz 75% power and 1500 on mem gets me 120mhs
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/31 20:34:31 (permalink)
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iamjancoWhile we're waiting to see what Optimus brings to the table, I'm also working on a flat backplate for the back side of the card. I don't mine though, and the intent in my case of course is to bring those vram temps in check as well. I'm also not fond of the reported mediocre performance of the HC block, so I'm working on my own solution for that side as well which will include a generic gpu waterblock, a redesigned copper plate, copper shims on the vram packages, as well as tim and putty. It's tedious work, but for now I think it'll be the most optimal solution. 

ya clocks are down for mining along with power to 75 if i turn them up it just runs hotter and pulls more power at the same 20-23 mhs. 300 to 320 watts seem to be the sweet spot for my card.  I can still use the computer for every say stuff running the way it is with out any problems. only time i turn the miners off are when im playing games just about every night for at least a hour when i can swing it. 
 
Not sure if the hc is just ok or the fact that these cards are quite power hungry and have to put all that heat in to 1 small area. Dabadgers temps seem to be pretty good with the hc kit. I have to get mine on also don't forget most of those reports are with out any back plate cooling at least the ones i looked at. 

 
Yeah, to be honest, I'm still going to give the HC kit a chance, at least to record temps that I'll bump against the solution I described above. I'm down to no.4 in the queue for the block, so I'm hoping it won't be too much longer.
 
If the solution I described does blow away the HC kit, I'll probably order more front and back plates, then start putting similar kits up for sale. Such kits would include "universal" blocks for the front and rear, as well as everything needed to replicate my results (depending on watercooling setup), including very detailed instructions. 
 
OTOH, if I decide it ends up being a worthy effort (but), it will have been an interesting experience. FYI/FWIW, I've got the equipment here to do flow and pressure drop testing as well. 
 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 06:45:02 (permalink)
I got the 3998 1k bios last night from Vince:P
It let's me use classified but I still need to confirm that it actually sets voltages to card tonight ๐Ÿ˜…
Also I think I have an old version of classified or at the very least not the latest
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 06:48:21 (permalink)
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I got the 3998 1k bios last night from Vince:P
It let's me use classified but I still need to confirm that it actually sets voltages to card tonight ๐Ÿ˜…
Also I think I have an old version of classified or at the very least not the latest



Great! looking forward to you're results.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 07:58:27 (permalink)
Can someone who has latest classified check the properties of it and see which version it is?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 11:26:15 (permalink)
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iamjancoWhile we're waiting to see what Optimus brings to the table, I'm also working on a flat backplate for the back side of the card. I don't mine though, and the intent in my case of course is to bring those vram temps in check as well. I'm also not fond of the reported mediocre performance of the HC block, so I'm working on my own solution for that side as well which will include a generic gpu waterblock, a redesigned copper plate, copper shims on the vram packages, as well as tim and putty. It's tedious work, but for now I think it'll be the most optimal solution. 

ya clocks are down for mining along with power to 75 if i turn them up it just runs hotter and pulls more power at the same 20-23 mhs. 300 to 320 watts seem to be the sweet spot for my card.  I can still use the computer for every say stuff running the way it is with out any problems. only time i turn the miners off are when im playing games just about every night for at least a hour when i can swing it. 
 
Not sure if the hc is just ok or the fact that these cards are quite power hungry and have to put all that heat in to 1 small area. Dabadgers temps seem to be pretty good with the hc kit. I have to get mine on also don't forget most of those reports are with out any back plate cooling at least the ones i looked at. 

 
Yeah, to be honest, I'm still going to give the HC kit a chance, at least to record temps that I'll bump against the solution I described above. I'm down to no.4 in the queue for the block, so I'm hoping it won't be too much longer.
 
If the solution I described does blow away the HC kit, I'll probably order more front and back plates, then start putting similar kits up for sale. Such kits would include "universal" blocks for the front and rear, as well as everything needed to replicate my results (depending on watercooling setup), including very detailed instructions. 
 
OTOH, if I decide it ends up being a worthy effort (but), it will have been an interesting experience. FYI/FWIW, I've got the equipment here to do flow and pressure drop testing as well. 
 


Handy keep us posted on how it turns out.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 11:29:01 (permalink)
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I can set core to even 1400 mhz 75% power and 1500 on mem gets me 120mhs

when i lower the core clock it runs cooler and pulls about 20 to 40 watts less than just dropping the power limit. Doesn't seem to affect normal computer use. Web browsing, book keeping spread sheets word processing... less heat and less power cant go wrong!  
 
Edit:  If i lower the power to try and get the same power and temp it drops my hash rate but then again every card is a little different and as a different sweet spot!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 11:41:49 (permalink)
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iamjancoWhile we're waiting to see what Optimus brings to the table, I'm also working on a flat backplate for the back side of the card. I don't mine though, and the intent in my case of course is to bring those vram temps in check as well. I'm also not fond of the reported mediocre performance of the HC block, so I'm working on my own solution for that side as well which will include a generic gpu waterblock, a redesigned copper plate, copper shims on the vram packages, as well as tim and putty. It's tedious work, but for now I think it'll be the most optimal solution. 

ya clocks are down for mining along with power to 75 if i turn them up it just runs hotter and pulls more power at the same 20-23 mhs. 300 to 320 watts seem to be the sweet spot for my card.  I can still use the computer for every say stuff running the way it is with out any problems. only time i turn the miners off are when im playing games just about every night for at least a hour when i can swing it. 
 
Not sure if the hc is just ok or the fact that these cards are quite power hungry and have to put all that heat in to 1 small area. Dabadgers temps seem to be pretty good with the hc kit. I have to get mine on also don't forget most of those reports are with out any back plate cooling at least the ones i looked at. 

 
Yeah, to be honest, I'm still going to give the HC kit a chance, at least to record temps that I'll bump against the solution I described above. I'm down to no.4 in the queue for the block, so I'm hoping it won't be too much longer.
 
If the solution I described does blow away the HC kit, I'll probably order more front and back plates, then start putting similar kits up for sale. Such kits would include "universal" blocks for the front and rear, as well as everything needed to replicate my results (depending on watercooling setup), including very detailed instructions. 
 
OTOH, if I decide it ends up being a worthy effort (but), it will have been an interesting experience. FYI/FWIW, I've got the equipment here to do flow and pressure drop testing as well. 

Handy keep us posted on how it turns out.

 
Will do.
 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 12:08:00 (permalink)
Maybe thermal pads on copper plate with the mp5 works block on top? Sounds feasible but idk ๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿค”
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 12:37:00 (permalink)
wow that's cool
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 12:44:33 (permalink)
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wow that's cool

Go back and read all 105 pages(if you are on mobile thats count) and then say that's cool ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/06/01 12:56:12 (permalink)
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Can someone who has latest classified check the properties of it and see which version it is?



Don't forget to reset the dipswitches before you roll on the classified front.
 
The version I have is 3.1.4.0
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