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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/01 15:11:47
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I have the same so all good then, I already reset those switches long before lol8
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/01 19:55:03
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Can someone who has latest classified check the properties of it and see which version it is?
Don't forget to reset the dipswitches before you roll on the classified front.
The version I have is 3.1.4.0
There's a version number on it? I have a ghetto/second hand one so I have no idea what I'm using. lol Also, the dipswitches are completely overriden as soon as you start using Classified Tool from what I understand, so you can leave them on for your regular use & use Classified Tool when you're having an OC session... but personally I don't think they're much worth using. The voltage bumps the Dip Switches provide are tiny, I don't think they'll result in higher clocks for the vast majority of people. MAYBE one boost bin higher, if that. They made no difference for me, which is why I stopped using them - all they did was make the card run a little warmer :-P but that was before I put the HC block on of course.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/02 08:29:46
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Just right click classified app hit properties and then under the details tab should give you version number
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/02 09:13:47
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What is the referal code bro ?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/02 19:05:14
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What is the referal code bro ?
My associate's code? 47AQQ6KPU2IZNXY - sorry for the late reply I didn't see it earlier when I was browsing the forums. I've been kind of absent dealing with the trials & tribulations of getting a vehicle again & making sure everything on it is up to date/replaced that needs to be done (tires, oil etc).
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/02 20:39:42
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Can someone who has latest classified check the properties of it and see which version it is?
Don't forget to reset the dipswitches before you roll on the classified front.
The version I have is 3.1.4.0
There's a version number on it? I have a ghetto/second hand one so I have no idea what I'm using. lol
Also, the dipswitches are completely overriden as soon as you start using Classified Tool from what I understand, so you can leave them on for your regular use & use Classified Tool when you're having an OC session... but personally I don't think they're much worth using. The voltage bumps the Dip Switches provide are tiny, I don't think they'll result in higher clocks for the vast majority of people. MAYBE one boost bin higher, if that. They made no difference for me, which is why I stopped using them - all they did was make the card run a little warmer :-P but that was before I put the HC block on of course.
I haven't played with the switches on the 3090 yet but if they work the same as the 2080ti kingpin the dip switches are hardware adjustments and work over px1 or classified tools. It is a small adjustment though. My clasified tools is version 3.1.4.0 Thought i had a old version also but i can't find it maybe it was on the old computer where i seen it.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/02 20:41:43
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They processed my order quick already got a tracking number and shipping confirmation!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/03 14:39:30
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I got a new version of Classified from Vince that works with stock HC bios now, also found out that the one XOC bios with 1K limit is the only one they are making for it
hopefully my issues before are from classified not working well with the card and now new version will work :)
3.1.7 is the version I have now
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/03 16:35:42
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Does it look the same or less janky? I checked mine & it's the 3.1.4.0 one as well.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/03 17:52:49
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Maybe thermal pads on copper plate with the mp5 works block on top? Sounds feasible but idk 😒🤔
I would buy that setup. especially if the plate was a direct replacement for the HC backplate and used counter sunk screws to mount the mp5 works block. could also mill the copper plate to allow you to just mount the mp5 works top directly on the copper backplate. you could countersink the 4 corner holes and just use longer screws for those
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/03 18:16:22
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Check my screens in port royal high scores thread 😆 pushing over 700w out of my card o.o
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 21:51:49
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I'm creepin' seein' what I can push right now without messing with Classified Tool yet. almost hitting 15.4k so far.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 22:05:08
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/62365216 that's with Afterburner & HWInfo still open. Going to let the card cool off for a bit then go for one more run with all the background stuff closed.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 22:14:52
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Unless you're on LN2, there's no reason to yeet voltages in classified tool. The extra wattage/heat is just gonna lower your avg clockspeed which affect your final score. Every chip needs different NVVDD/MSVDD combinations to match internal clocks with requested clocks. It's all about efficiency (wattage/score). Here's my 1.025v voltage point using the 520W BIOS - 2220MHz +1350 Mem Max temp: 47C. 1.150v NVVDD LLC6 1.075v MSVDD LLC1 1.40v FBVDD 600kHz on both If I remember correctly. Wattage peak: 524W https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1064089 
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 22:19:25
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Peaked at 45C O_o
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/62365360
Only a smidge higher than my last personal best, BUT that's also at the same effective clocks as my last personal best. 2190-2205 was the effective on the previous run when I had HWInfo still open, settings were the same for this one, I just closed all background stuff & let the card cool down (at stock voltages etc) for about 10mins before resetting voltages & running again.
Good enough for #6 on the 5950X/Single 3090 leaderboard, and I'm the 3rd highest non-LN2/DICE score - 3 of the top 6 have N/A average temp which means they were sub zero, the other 2 are in the 30s/40s so they're on liquid I assume. Figured I'd copy/pasta that from the other thread. I needed to bump the voltage from my previous 1.14375V to 1.15V to get it to finish the run the first time (with HWinfo & such open). Only a slight improvement over my previous best, but still, same effective clocks so I'm good with that.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 22:29:03
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Unless you're on LN2, there's no reason to yeet voltages in classified tool. The extra wattage/heat is just gonna lower your avg clockspeed which affect your final score. Every chip needs different NVVDD/MSVDD combinations to match internal clocks with requested clocks. It's all about efficiency (wattage/score). Here's my 1.025v voltage point using the 520W BIOS - 2220MHz +1350 Mem Max temp: 47C. 1.150v NVVDD LLC6 1.075v MSVDD LLC1 1.40v FBVDD 600kHz on both If I remember correctly. Wattage peak: 524W
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Can you explain the various tool settings and how it's affected card and scores I know first voltage is main one for core and second voltage is for memory Not sure/forgot what 3rd does, and the llc I know what it does, but not how it does with GPU, this is my first KP so please be gentle with me 😆🤣
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/04 22:44:47
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3rd voltage (MSVDD) is the secondary core (maybe memory controller/etc) voltage. LLC will just increase the voltage the core/memory actually get, so I wouldn't mess with those unless you're getting a run that you think is almost stable, then maybe bumping them one would help.
I pretty much went straight to 1.1V on MSVDD & haven't messed with it since, whenever I'm testing... I know people have run it lower, some by quite a fair bit, but I never had issues with 1.08 or 1.1V on there heat or otherwise, even on the 520W BIOS. I think Luumi mentioned what it is in his videos about the 3090 kingpin, but I'm not 100% sure even he knows exactly what that voltage does persay, think that's something only Vince & the engineers would know for sure what it actually is and what it effects the most. I do know that pretty much anyone that's worked with these cards says not to go much higher on that one without LN2 than 1.1 or 1.15V or something like that.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 06:31:11
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Yeah, was playing cod last night, didn't realize my lian li tan controller was desynced from mobo control, so fans running at minimum speed meant water temp hit 45c with gpu pushing 300w and cpu 100w, core temps at 50c gpu and 70c cpu -_-
Edit-also my vrm generally sits at whatever water temp is so prob around 40-45c lol
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 11:28:13
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Yeah, was playing cod last night, didn't realize my lian li tan controller was desynced from mobo control, so fans running at minimum speed meant water temp hit 45c with gpu pushing 300w and cpu 100w, core temps at 50c gpu and 70c cpu -_-
Edit-also my vrm generally sits at whatever water temp is so prob around 40-45c lol
Thats good to know nothing overheated with everything just slowly spinning! Hopefuly you have stuff set if the pump dies and overheats it just shuts down! Some how i knocked the water pump plug off on mine and ya it got real hot real fast It did shut its self down and not hurt any thing! water block was hot enough i couldn't hold on to it! Took all of 1 min!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 12:13:57
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Now I'm having issues hitting more then 100% power on ln2 bios :/
Edit- which btw is 420w 😆
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 12:27:43
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Even normal bios hits only 90% its like its cutting 20% off power target somehow
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 12:35:17
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Ok problem solved, needed to do full shutdown and switched bios a few times and restarted a few times to get it to reset internally I think 🤔
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 14:24:30
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15129 on stock ln2 bios max 490w power, seems fine now
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 15:47:41
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Hi Guys, What page is the latest and greatest way to keep the backside ram cool? so I don't  have to read 35 pages
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 17:16:41
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Ok problem solved, needed to do full shutdown and switched bios a few times and restarted a few times to get it to reset internally I think 🤔
Yes for sure switching bios needs a power cycle not just a restart my 2080ti KP's were the same way. if you didn't power down it wouldn't switch or would do all sorts of strange stuff.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 18:21:33
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So what thickness are the kp hc pads? And if I buy gelid anyone know how many packs?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 19:38:08
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Go back till you find post from tech with dimensions of the pads for kp 🤔 Edit- it's not far, at most 5 or so pages
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
2021/06/05 23:19:50
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So what thickness are the kp hc pads? And if I buy gelid anyone know how many packs?
2.25mm for the memory pads and 2.75mm for the mosfet pads. Backplate you can just use all 2.5mm. Buy more than you need in case you make a mistake. I'm curious what people are using when installing their HC's because based on my research it's hard to find high-performance pads in *.25mm variants. They are all either *.0mm or *.5mm. I suppose .25mm isn't a huge difference... can probably get away with it.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)?
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Ok problem solved, needed to do full shutdown and switched bios a few times and restarted a few times to get it to reset internally I think 🤔
Yes for sure switching bios needs a power cycle not just a restart my 2080ti KP's were the same way. if you didn't power down it wouldn't switch or would do all sorts of strange stuff.
This is the first time I've had a problem on mine. I flashed a different BIOS on the OC position (After booting on the LN2 switch position then changing it in Windows), then I powered off completely, booted back up, did my testing, shut back down completely, powered off, switched back to the LN2 BIOS switch position, booted back up, and for some reason it had the same BIOS I put on the OC position present O_o ended up getting the 520W ReBar BIOS from one of Jacob's posts in the ReBar thread, but still, not sure how that happened. But that is the first time I've ever changed the switch with the system powered on to flash a BIOS, normally I boot up on whatever switch position I want to change the BIOS on. No harm no foul though, just odd. degenerate
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So what thickness are the kp hc pads? And if I buy gelid anyone know how many packs?
2.25mm for the memory pads and 2.75mm for the mosfet pads. Backplate you can just use all 2.5mm. Buy more than you need in case you make a mistake.
I'm curious what people are using when installing their HC's because based on my research it's hard to find high-performance pads in *.25mm variants. They are all either *.0mm or *.5mm. I suppose .25mm isn't a huge difference... can probably get away with it.
Should be noted I'm using 2mm Thermalright 12.8W/mK pads on all VRAM and having no contact issues - the eVGA pads are .25mm thicker because they like the squish I guess.
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