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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/14 06:37:45 (permalink)
I think I will use one fan on ram one on m.2 area and one over back of gpu after I redo my loop to add a rad and gpu
Edit- I'm installing matching set of lian li uni fans and that will leave me with 3 extra ml120 pro fans
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/14 15:00:29 (permalink)
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I think I will use one fan on ram one on m.2 area and one over back of gpu after I redo my loop to add a rad and gpu
Edit- I'm installing matching set of lian li uni fans and that will leave me with 3 extra ml120 pro fans



Ye just do like I used to before switching my top radiator to intake when I setup the current loop:
 

 
Having a fan right there blows over the top M.2 if you have it occupied, as well as the RAM, and it also gives the motherboard VRMs some airflow.  It also works well if you already have a fan on backplate cooling, if you have a Kingpin card or other 3090 at least.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/14 18:16:23 (permalink)
Haven't been following this whole thread, just popping in to share this. Has anyone tried out thermal putty?  10W/m-K silicone.
 
https://www.overclock.net/threads/3080-3090-junction-temp-cooling-thread.1777046/page-13#post-28791579
 
https://www.digikey.com/e...gy/TG-PP10-50G/6204863
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/15 20:24:20 (permalink)
I mean if I wanted to be crazy I could use silicone that's not conductive & surround the chips then put Kryonaut on them, but I really don't wanna take the card apart again.  Until I see folks running better than stock paste getting at least 3-5C lower temps than I am in the same kind of testing, I don't think it's worth taking the card apart & risking doing something wrong the second time... not to mention getting it out of my loop would not be fun either, almost everything in the loop is above the GPU so I'd have to do almost a full drain to remove it for said operation.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/15 21:25:51 (permalink)
Anyway, continued to do a little digging while I'm waiting on my HC block to ship and pulled the following image out of the pdf instructions available for the block:

 
As you can see (for those who don't have the block yet), the inside surface looks to be flat with the only raised areas the edges of the backplate itself. There is an exposed copper strip centered in the vertical on the left side of the backplate, but the need for that would negated if you made a replacement backplate completely out of copper. You could also chamfer any additional holes you might want/need to make which would allow you to mount whatever you wanted to the other side of the backplate using screws (depending on available space around the slot the card will be in). That would give you a much tighter fitting between those items and likely much better thermal transference.
 
Not having access to a mill would require a two piece backplate if using a high resolution waterjet cutter: one piece would essentially be a shim with holes the inside height of the backplate's edges; while the main piece would be a full plate with the same screw holes (and air holes, etc.) as the original plate.
 
Lastly, while you could press pemserts into the holes on the cut plate to provide for screw threads with the aid of a one or two ton drill arbor press, nuts and washers should do just fine. I really don't see any need to overcomplicate such a project any further and that's probably going to be what I end up doing.
 
I'll take pix/make depth measurements of the oem backplate once the block arrives and create the required dxfs for them, then send them to my water jet cutter.
 

 
 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 00:17:17 (permalink)
There are also boxes on the backplate to let you know exactly where to put the thermal pads - which is good for those that are doing this for the first time.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 08:36:22 (permalink)
Anyone switch out stock psu cables for sleeved, and have had 12v rail go up to like 13.7v from 12.1-12.2 nominal?
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 11:35:37 (permalink)
Cables shouldn't affect voltage like that. Are you reading that from the mobo monitor or using a volt meter on the cables. I would check it with a digital volt meter directly on a few of the cables and if its that hi rma the psu.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 12:36:44 (permalink)
It's reading in HwInfo and Asus DIP 5 that voltage for both mobo Input and gpu input
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 12:48:12 (permalink)
Just plugged in stock VGA cable and same thing, so looks like I might have to rma this t2 850w 😞
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 13:00:55 (permalink)
I would get in touch with eVGA CS & see what they say before RMAing it, see what they say - but if it's doing that with the stock cables plugged back in, something is goin' funky indeed.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 13:04:06 (permalink)
Computer seems to run fine with the voltage though, gonna take my pc to my pops to use his voltage meter and see if it's just buggy software reading
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 13:29:34 (permalink)
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Temporary solution. Still need to test the thermals.





Were did you buy that heatsink?


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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 14:19:32 (permalink)
Looks like I will have to email customer support :(
Poked a voltage meter into a free molex plug and 12v line read 13.9v and 5v side read 5.04v like it's supposed to, so off it goes
Let's just hope they can fix it or have a t2 series psu spare for RMA
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 15:48:27 (permalink)
Yep something is definitely not quite right. They have always been good with rma's for me at least. Most of the time i had them cross ship it. My 850 died twice they upped it to a 1000 i thin it was a t2 they could have been p2...been a while. I have a 1600t2 as a spare just incase the 1000 dies on me but so far its been 4 or 5 years since it was upgraded. Good luck and it should be a pretty smooth process
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 15:52:15 (permalink)
Don't forget to find your recipe if you didn't upload it when you registered it they won't warranty it unless you have that unless its under 2 or 3 years with out the original recipe they consider it a 3rd party purchase and only get 2 or 3 year warranty instead of 10! Also from a authorized vendor also! Found out the hard way when i got a psu on accident from newegg vendor and not newegg not a authorized vendor...what a **** show that was but it was under 2 years so they exchanged it.
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 15:57:31 (permalink)
It was the sleeved mobo cable, put my stock cable in and voltages back to normal
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 16:14:00 (permalink)
I'm so mad right now, lost sleep making this **** all nice and neat with the new cables and now I just had to yank out the biggest cable 🤬🤬🤬😭😭😭
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 16:14:28 (permalink)
Thats a odd one they must have a wire wrong? Still wouldn't think it would make the 12 volt rail go up like that!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 16:27:44 (permalink)
It's got 4 pairs of wires merging going from psu into mobo, total pins on psu side is 28 and mobo being 24
Apparently those 4 pairs have different voltages on psu side and when added together should have made 12v, but instead they messed it up, so the merge acts like a u-turn for excess voltage making whole 12v rail from psu 2v higher then normal
Idk exactly how Evga made the psu or how 28 pins are needed for the mobo plug, all I know is the Chinese messed up my very expensive cable, I know they made it cause it was shipped out of China 😆
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 18:20:24 (permalink)
Welp got another issue, my d5 pump tach signal is non existent, so guess the tach circuit in the pump fried 🙄
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin & others!) - Get that backside VRAM cool! 2021/05/16 18:23:38 (permalink)
Great looking build!
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 20:14:46 (permalink)
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Temporary solution. Still need to test the thermals.





Were did you buy that heatsink?




I would wager that will perform pretty well, especially if accompanied with thermal pads swap under the backplate & a fan blowing anywhere near it.
 
 

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 20:50:58 (permalink)
Nice mobo lol, as rare as an EVGA Kingpin HydroCopper 😆🤣
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/16 23:59:18 (permalink)
I'm still miffed at myself that I didn't realize the Dark was THAT much better than the regular Hero before I ordered mine, I would've FOUND a Dark at a decent price and gotten it instead.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/17 00:03:10 (permalink)
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I'm still miffed at myself that I didn't realize the Dark was THAT much better than the regular Hero before I ordered mine, I would've FOUND a Dark at a decent price and gotten it instead.


I'm pleasantly pleased with my Taichi board only quirk i have that is bad is it doesn't like my patriot steel 4400 ram set can only get it stable at 4000 or less....o well haven't tried tightening timings yet don't konw if i will its 19,19,19 39 i think
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/17 00:35:01 (permalink)
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Haven't been following this whole thread, just popping in to share this. Has anyone tried out thermal putty?  10W/m-K silicone.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/3080-3090-junction-temp-cooling-thread.1777046/page-13#post-28791579
https://www.digikey.com/e...gy/TG-PP10-50G/6204863

Excellent topic-relevant information 
 
As for going crazy when it comes to searching for the ultimate in optimum heat transfer, Innovation Cooling offers a reasonably priced test kit that includes Fujifilm Prescale Tactile Pressure Indicating Sensor Film. The stuff works great for checking mating surfaces where lapping is involved:
 

 
Lastly some additional info regarding a question asked that hasn't been answered yet:
 
miguelmotocross075
liweichen6
Temporary solution. Still need to test the thermals.


Were did you buy that heatsink?

 
Similar heatsinks are easy enough to find on (e.g.) Amazon:
 

 
Just be forewarned that if you do pursue a larger heat sink like the one above and install it, some of the screws holding the gpu together will be covered on the backplate (meaning you will have to remove the heatsink to get at those screws if you want or need to disassemble the gpu for some reason).
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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/17 12:02:41 (permalink)
Well I guess you can drill holes before putting the heatsink; this allows access to the screws. This way you don't need to remove it every time you need to service the card

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/17 12:53:03 (permalink)
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Well I guess you can drill holes before putting the heatsink; this allows access to the screws. This way you don't need to remove it every time you need to service the card



Yeah, that was my thinking as well.

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Re: 3090 (Kingpin) - Get that backside VRAM cool! Also: Thermal Pad size (backplate side)? 2021/05/17 14:12:29 (permalink)
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Welp got another issue, my d5 pump tach signal is non existent, so guess the tach circuit in the pump fried 🙄

Once I get my second pump/res I will have then connected through a splitter to one header so I can properly control both pumps, should be fine since usually cpu and gpu are under load at same time
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