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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/04/02 10:36:48 (permalink)
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OP here. I'm still stick under 400w on the 450w bios. Still pcie3 not drawing more than 70w.

More often than not I'm "power limited" at 350-380w I'm told...

I haven't updated to the newer xoc bios with resizable bar update. Have you done that 1?

Look at your perfcap reason. It's not pwr. You are having a voltage reliability issue / max voltage issues. You are not being power limited. I am not sure of the cause.
https://www.techpowerup.c...d-vop-question.204193/

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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/04/02 18:15:49 (permalink)
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OP here. I'm still stick under 400w on the 450w bios. Still pcie3 not drawing more than 70w.

More often than not I'm "power limited" at 350-380w I'm told...

I haven't updated to the newer xoc bios with resizable bar update. Have you done that 1?

Look at your perfcap reason. It's not pwr. You are having a voltage reliability issue / max voltage issues. You are not being power limited. I am not sure of the cause.
https://www.techpowerup.c...d-vop-question.204193/




^^^^^ We have already looked at that bud...we're being power limited due to voltage issue as identified in GPU-Z ....we all suffer the same problem....PCI-E plug #3 is 1/2 the power of both plugs #1 and #2.....we have no idea why.
Our PCI-E slot also only gets to about 45w.
Maximus XI Extreme Board (with supplementary power for the PCI-E Slot plugged in).....Corsair AX1600i obviously using 3 independent PCI-E cables.....
Perhaps Jacob or someone from Evga could chime in with some info?

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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/04/03 16:17:36 (permalink)
Jacob...any word from Evga regarding this?
Obviously some sort of Power Management issue with some Boards thru PCI-E #3 power connector, gimping the PCI-E #3 power connector therefor not providing the required voltage....hence a power limit wall at 390w regardless of the XOC Bios.

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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/04/03 17:57:21 (permalink)
Thanks guys...found this thread
https://forums.evga.com/3090-FTW3-Ultra-Uneven-Power-Draw-Across-8pin-cables-m3209326-p3.aspx
 
Once you get thru the childish bantering of "Well my card is working as it should"......there is some very good reasoning as to "why"...hhhmmm analog vs digital.
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/05 08:53:19 (permalink)
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Thanks guys...found this thread

 
Once you get thru the childish bantering of "Well my card is working as it should"......there is some very good reasoning as to "why"...hhhmmm analog vs digital.
 


 
Not to bring back an old thread but I recently bought the 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR and having the same issue. Has there been any progress in sorting this out? My perfcap reason is pwr as shown in GPU-Z. It draws 360W in TimeSpy, 380W in FurMark/Heaven even when factoring in PCI-E power draw it doesn't come close to 400W let alone the XOC 450W. Made sure I set it to+118% on the 450W BIOS and had rebar enabled.
 
If it really is a physical problem with analog vs digital controllers as mentioned in the 3090 Thread then I assume no fix will be possible? I chose this card largely for the 450W BIOS - could've gone for something cheaper if I had known this :/
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/05 15:19:13 (permalink)
^^^^ No fix....unfortunately your stuck with it unless you're prepared to shunt mod the Card .....on a positive note you will see absolutely no difference gaming whether you're 380w...400w...or more...about the only thjing that I found frustrating was benchmarking and under water, being capped by power!
I have since replaced the 3080 with a 3080Ti FTW3 and although it already comes w 450w BIOS, rarely hits more than 420w in any benchmarks....Kumbuster w Vulcan and Full Screen 3440*1440p I was able to get the Card to 444w ;)
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/06 01:27:56 (permalink)
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^^^^ No fix....unfortunately your stuck with it unless you're prepared to shunt mod the Card .....on a positive note you will see absolutely no difference gaming whether you're 380w...400w...or more...about the only thjing that I found frustrating was benchmarking and under water, being capped by power!
I have since replaced the 3080 with a 3080Ti FTW3 and although it already comes w 450w BIOS, rarely hits more than 420w in any benchmarks....Kumbuster w Vulcan and Full Screen 3440*1440p I was able to get the Card to 444w ;)


Hey thanks for the response! I really appreciate it. Out of pure interest what were your TimeSpy scores on your 3080 FTW3 vs 3080 Ti FTW3? I largely bought the "Ultra" variant to OC and chase those mythical figures with the intention of putting it on water so I'd love to see the performance uplift of non-Ti vs Ti (so I can compare to local pricing and see whether it's worth doing what you did) - and what improvement did you see by putting it on water? 

I have a custom loop for my 9900K so it wouldn't be too expensive to get the EKWB blocks - just want to make sure there is a tangible difference otherwise I'll leave the card as is. Looks very pretty as is :D
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/06 03:24:14 (permalink)
I haven't been on Air since 2014.....CPU or GPU ;)
 
3080 runs around +180 / +1275 ( iirc) - 9900K OC  all cores @ 5 Ghz (+1.285v)
Timespy 18.045k https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20863002
Port Royal 12.972 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1078320
 
Max GPU Temps 39c - Boost Avg 2100 Mhz
 
3080Ti +195 / +1225 - 9900k @ all cores @ 5.2 Ghz  (+1.385v)
Timespy 19.549K https://www.3dmark.com/spy/23354077
Port Royal 14.767K https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1257554
 
Max GPU Temp 42c - Boost Avg 2055 - 2077 Mhz
 
The 3080 was able to Boost higher and sustain higher Avg Boost Clock speed (with basically the same OC's as the 3080Ti), the reduction in Boost Clocks on the Ti are likely due to the slightly higher temperature of the Card, as in 42c vs 39c.
Even a slight increase in Temps hinders the Boost speed.....
 
 

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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/06 05:14:17 (permalink)
Hey, thanks for the awesome reply. Those scores really help! 

I can't post links but I'll leave the end digits to the links for my two TimeSpy scores:
3080 LHR +110/+1100 and 64Gb of RAM at 3866 16-16-16-36 @ 1.4V:
9900K @ 1.275v 5Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23335559 (17.9k)
9900K @ 1.320v 5.1Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23355830 (18k)
 
The latter OC I only just managed today as OCing is new to me and only recently could I splurge for a custom loop. I don't think I can push it further as I hit over 85C in OCCT which I'd rather not do too often. 

Comparing my runs to yours I can see that you stay on the boost for longer probably thanks to lower temps (I'll lose 500-800 points just by going up a few degrees I've noticed) but it nets a 0.4-0.9% performance increase. The 3080 Ti however nets you 10-11% increase in performance. Cost where I am however is 25% more ($1490 USD vs $2020 USD via the only retailer that isn't gouging) so I think I'll sit tight.

This has been extremely helpful! Thank you!!
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/06 11:06:08 (permalink)
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Hey, thanks for the awesome reply. Those scores really help! 

I can't post links but I'll leave the end digits to the links for my two TimeSpy scores:
3080 LHR +110/+1100 and 64Gb of RAM at 3866 16-16-16-36 @ 1.4V:
9900K @ 1.275v 5Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23335559 (17.9k)
9900K @ 1.320v 5.1Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23355830 (18k)
 
The latter OC I only just managed today as OCing is new to me and only recently could I splurge for a custom loop. I don't think I can push it further as I hit over 85C in OCCT which I'd rather not do too often. 

Comparing my runs to yours I can see that you stay on the boost for longer probably thanks to lower temps (I'll lose 500-800 points just by going up a few degrees I've noticed) but it nets a 0.4-0.9% performance increase. The 3080 Ti however nets you 10-11% increase in performance. Cost where I am however is 25% more ($1490 USD vs $2020 USD via the only retailer that isn't gouging) so I think I'll sit tight.

This has been extremely helpful! Thank you!!




No problem at all......having owned both Cards (both under water), gaming, benching etc...I wouldn't recommend a Ti variant over the regular Card if gaming anything less than 4K....but that pretty well known and certainly wouldn't even consider a 3090 Card unless for Professional tasks that require a ton of VRAM.
 
Definitely I can get some climbing Bench Scores in both TS and PR if I can keep my GPU Temp 39c - 40c......my best scores come first thing in the AM. My ambient temp in my Office is currently around 20c, once we get into the dead of winter I can get ambient down to 14c no problem, perhaps thats when I'll be able to crack those Port Royal 15K and TS 20K numbers ;)
 
The benchmarks and gaming numbers that a 3080Ti pretty much take the brief glory out of the 3090, not too mention the added heat for all that VRAM on the other side of the PCB makes me steer clear of that Card completely (although I have never bought into the Titan / KP hype to begin with).
 
As for my 9900k OC'ing, mine has been a champ since purchasing back in Dec 2018 and have not seen anything that has pushed me to replace it (yet).
To have a chip capable of running 8c/16t at 5.2 Ghz (all cores) and Uncore running at 4.9 Ghz, I still find very impressive and these 3080 GPU's absolutely love the high clock speeds.
 
If I try to go for 5.3 Ghz the required vcore to get thru benchruns gets pretty high, as in 1.45v - 1.47v.....
 
Enjoy your Card !!!
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 09:58:10 (permalink)
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No problem at all......having owned both Cards (both under water), gaming, benching etc...I wouldn't recommend a Ti variant over the regular Card if gaming anything less than 4K....but that pretty well known and certainly wouldn't even consider a 3090 Card unless for Professional tasks that require a ton of VRAM.
 
Definitely I can get some climbing Bench Scores in both TS and PR if I can keep my GPU Temp 39c - 40c......my best scores come first thing in the AM. My ambient temp in my Office is currently around 20c, once we get into the dead of winter I can get ambient down to 14c no problem, perhaps thats when I'll be able to crack those Port Royal 15K and TS 20K numbers ;)
 
The benchmarks and gaming numbers that a 3080Ti pretty much take the brief glory out of the 3090, not too mention the added heat for all that VRAM on the other side of the PCB makes me steer clear of that Card completely (although I have never bought into the Titan / KP hype to begin with).
 
As for my 9900k OC'ing, mine has been a champ since purchasing back in Dec 2018 and have not seen anything that has pushed me to replace it (yet).
To have a chip capable of running 8c/16t at 5.2 Ghz (all cores) and Uncore running at 4.9 Ghz, I still find very impressive and these 3080 GPU's absolutely love the high clock speeds.
 
If I try to go for 5.3 Ghz the required vcore to get thru benchruns gets pretty high, as in 1.45v - 1.47v.....
 
Enjoy your Card !!!



Sooo I was bored and hooked up an air-conditioner to my rig - got around 17-18C for both CPU and GPU before testing started. CPU saw an obvious climb in performance, and I pushed it to 5.2Ghz (@1.4v on the die sense under load and I already wasn't thrilled with that so I drew the line there, max temp though was under 80C). 

GPU however did not move a single inch. Wouldn't go any further on Core or Mem despite the better temps and my TS scores didn't actually come close to the 18k I got previously. Mostly bounced around the 17.6-17.8k region. I figured I got lucky with that 18k/17.9k run and called it a day. It does support the voltage issue holding it back as at it never once went over 98% power draw in TS. 

Now that I've started playing games though I've realised I will have to watercool it after all. It simply puts out too much heat into the case for a sustained period of time that the metal housing of the case is heating up and surrounding items are being blasted with heat. Opening the side panel didn't help either. 
 
I don't think KP would be worth it for day-to-day stuff but rather chasing the 3DMark leaderboards on LN2. 

Hopefully you fair better than I have and crack the 20K barrier!
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 10:26:52 (permalink)
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Thanks guys...found this thread
 
 
Once you get thru the childish bantering of "Well my card is working as it should"......there is some very good reasoning as to "why"...hhhmmm analog vs digital.
 


 
Not to bring back an old thread but I recently bought the 3080 FTW3 Ultra LHR and having the same issue. Has there been any progress in sorting this out? My perfcap reason is pwr as shown in GPU-Z. It draws 360W in TimeSpy, 380W in FurMark/Heaven even when factoring in PCI-E power draw it doesn't come close to 400W let alone the XOC 450W. Made sure I set it to+118% on the 450W BIOS and had rebar enabled.
 
If it really is a physical problem with analog vs digital controllers as mentioned in the 3090 Thread then I assume no fix will be possible? I chose this card largely for the 450W BIOS - could've gone for something cheaper if I had known this :/




https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321
 
Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/10/09 10:28:10
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 13:11:14 (permalink)
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https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321
 
Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.




Just did a fresh install of Windows, re-flashed the BIOS using the XOC tool on this forum, and installed the latest X1. No dice. Still won't draw more than 390W (max draws: Pin#1 125W, Pin#2 154W, Pin#3 69W) in Furmark and even less in TimeSpy (360W). 

What did get fixed though is it now defaults the LED's to Rainbow at least which is what I wanted.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 13:21:59 (permalink)
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https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321
 
Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.




Just did a fresh install of Windows, re-flashed the BIOS using the XOC tool on this forum, and installed the latest X1. No dice. Still won't draw more than 390W (max draws: Pin#1 125W, Pin#2 154W, Pin#3 69W) in Furmark and even less in TimeSpy (360W). 

What did get fixed though is it now defaults the LED's to Rainbow at least which is what I wanted.




Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?
 
You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.
 
That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 14:21:32 (permalink)
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Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?
 
You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.
 
That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.


I can control other functions like voltage, clock and memory under load. I used Heaven to get the OC I have (+110 core +1100 mem). Never thought to lower the power limit though, but I just tested that and it lowered just fine. At 50% power it didn't draw more than 205.5W, (Pin#1 65.5W, Pin#2 83W, Pin#3 39W) in TimeSpy. I left my OC in place and TS recorded a peak of 2085Mhz on the core with an average of 1563Mhz.

Tried Afterburner too (before OS reinstall) and it had the same behavior (went with X1 because of LED control). 

For all my runs, Normal BIOS/XOC, stock, OC, 50% power limit or +118% power limit, GPU-Z records the same limiting factor: Pwr.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2021/10/09 14:30:48 (permalink)
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Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?
 
You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.
 
That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.


I can control other functions like voltage, clock and memory under load. I used Heaven to get the OC I have (+110 core +1100 mem). Never thought to lower the power limit though, but I just tested that and it lowered just fine. At 50% power it didn't draw more than 205.5W, (Pin#1 65.5W, Pin#2 83W, Pin#3 39W) in TimeSpy. I left my OC in place and TS recorded a peak of 2085Mhz on the core with an average of 1563Mhz.

Tried Afterburner too (before OS reinstall) and it had the same behavior (went with X1 because of LED control). 

For all my runs, Normal BIOS/XOC, stock, OC, 50% power limit or +118% power limit, GPU-Z records the same limiting factor: Pwr.




Wow that's crazy.  Pretty lame they are still sending out cards with wonky power draw.  My 3080 FTW3 Hybrid from Dec. '20 could average 445w in Furmark no problem.
 
Only other thing I can think of is to check the X1 power monitoring graph in the OSD page and see what it is reporting, EVGA are saying HWiNFO does not report power accurately and my 3080 Ti FTW3 underreported power by like 30w.  Could also try the system on a power meter and see what it is actually drawing, but you'll need something to compare it to.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/26 14:05:03 (permalink)
Anyone aware of any recent developments on this issue? I'm experiencing the same thing on my 3080 ti FTW3 Ultra.  Third 8-pin has crappy power draw.  PerfCap Reason almost always Pwr.  Not even getting close to 450W.
 
Never got above 410.414 watts.

I'm running a modest overclock of 105 Mhz on the core and 1000 Mhz on the memory. My voltage and power sliders are maxed (+100 and 113%). My GPU temp target is also maxed (91). My PSU is a Corsair RM1000 (80 Plus Gold).

I haven't opened a ticket with EVGA yet, as I've read that most haven't had much luck in resolution. I'm also nervous about sending the card back (If they even give me that option) given the current shortages. I'm certainly happy to contact support, but wanted to gauge the community first.

I wouldn't call myself an extreme overclocker, and I'm happy with the card, but I do want to make sure I'm getting the most bang for my buck. If anyone has any insight, it would be tremendously appreciated.

Thanks a ton in advance, all.


 
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Hey, thanks for the awesome reply. Those scores really help! 

I can't post links but I'll leave the end digits to the links for my two TimeSpy scores:
3080 LHR +110/+1100 and 64Gb of RAM at 3866 16-16-16-36 @ 1.4V:
9900K @ 1.275v 5Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23335559 (17.9k)
9900K @ 1.320v 5.1Ghz all core: TimeSpy - 23355830 (18k)
 
The latter OC I only just managed today as OCing is new to me and only recently could I splurge for a custom loop. I don't think I can push it further as I hit over 85C in OCCT which I'd rather not do too often. 

Comparing my runs to yours I can see that you stay on the boost for longer probably thanks to lower temps (I'll lose 500-800 points just by going up a few degrees I've noticed) but it nets a 0.4-0.9% performance increase. The 3080 Ti however nets you 10-11% increase in performance. Cost where I am however is 25% more ($1490 USD vs $2020 USD via the only retailer that isn't gouging) so I think I'll sit tight.

This has been extremely helpful! Thank you!!




No problem at all......having owned both Cards (both under water), gaming, benching etc...I wouldn't recommend a Ti variant over the regular Card if gaming anything less than 4K....but that pretty well known and certainly wouldn't even consider a 3090 Card unless for Professional tasks that require a ton of VRAM.
 
Definitely I can get some climbing Bench Scores in both TS and PR if I can keep my GPU Temp 39c - 40c......my best scores come first thing in the AM. My ambient temp in my Office is currently around 20c, once we get into the dead of winter I can get ambient down to 14c no problem, perhaps thats when I'll be able to crack those Port Royal 15K and TS 20K numbers ;)
 
The benchmarks and gaming numbers that a 3080Ti pretty much take the brief glory out of the 3090, not too mention the added heat for all that VRAM on the other side of the PCB makes me steer clear of that Card completely (although I have never bought into the Titan / KP hype to begin with).
 
As for my 9900k OC'ing, mine has been a champ since purchasing back in Dec 2018 and have not seen anything that has pushed me to replace it (yet).
To have a chip capable of running 8c/16t at 5.2 Ghz (all cores) and Uncore running at 4.9 Ghz, I still find very impressive and these 3080 GPU's absolutely love the high clock speeds.
 
If I try to go for 5.3 Ghz the required vcore to get thru benchruns gets pretty high, as in 1.45v - 1.47v.....
 
Enjoy your Card !!!




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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/26 15:28:07 (permalink)
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Anyone aware of any recent developments on this issue? I'm experiencing the same thing on my 3080 ti FTW3 Ultra.  Third 8-pin has crappy power draw.  PerfCap Reason almost always Pwr.  Not even getting close to 450W.
 
Never got above 410.414 watts.

I'm running a modest overclock of 105 Mhz on the core and 1000 Mhz on the memory. My voltage and power sliders are maxed (+100 and 113%). My GPU temp target is also maxed (91). My PSU is a Corsair RM1000 (80 Plus Gold).

I haven't opened a ticket with EVGA yet, as I've read that most haven't had much luck in resolution. I'm also nervous about sending the card back (If they even give me that option) given the current shortages. I'm certainly happy to contact support, but wanted to gauge the community first.

I wouldn't call myself an extreme overclocker, and I'm happy with the card, but I do want to make sure I'm getting the most bang for my buck. If anyone has any insight, it would be tremendously appreciated.

Thanks a ton in advance, all.


 
theres a thread a few down talking about the ti where the mystery team has rounded up the missing wascally watts
 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/26 15:50:17 (permalink)
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Anyone aware of any recent developments on this issue? I'm experiencing the same thing on my 3080 ti FTW3 Ultra.  Third 8-pin has crappy power draw.  PerfCap Reason almost always Pwr.  Not even getting close to 450W.
 
Never got above 410.414 watts.

I'm running a modest overclock of 105 Mhz on the core and 1000 Mhz on the memory. My voltage and power sliders are maxed (+100 and 113%). My GPU temp target is also maxed (91). My PSU is a Corsair RM1000 (80 Plus Gold).

I haven't opened a ticket with EVGA yet, as I've read that most haven't had much luck in resolution. I'm also nervous about sending the card back (If they even give me that option) given the current shortages. I'm certainly happy to contact support, but wanted to gauge the community first.

I wouldn't call myself an extreme overclocker, and I'm happy with the card, but I do want to make sure I'm getting the most bang for my buck. If anyone has any insight, it would be tremendously appreciated.

Thanks a ton in advance, all.



 



Try Furmark with 0x or 2x MSAA in the default stress test with a bit of OC and record peaks (max) with GPU-Z running it for like 10 minutes.  If you're not running 4K res and very high load game, a 410w peak in software is pretty typical.  It's under reporting by about 30w.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2022/01/26 15:54:52
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/26 15:56:00 (permalink)
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theres a thread a few down talking about the ti where the mystery team has rounded up the missing wascally watts
 




That's me.
 
https://forums.evga.com/F...W3-power-m3454909.aspx
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 00:29:55 (permalink)
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Anyone aware of any recent developments on this issue? I'm experiencing the same thing on my 3080 ti FTW3 Ultra.  Third 8-pin has crappy power draw.  PerfCap Reason almost always Pwr.  Not even getting close to 450W.
 
Never got above 410.414 watts.

I'm running a modest overclock of 105 Mhz on the core and 1000 Mhz on the memory. My voltage and power sliders are maxed (+100 and 113%). My GPU temp target is also maxed (91). My PSU is a Corsair RM1000 (80 Plus Gold).

I haven't opened a ticket with EVGA yet, as I've read that most haven't had much luck in resolution. I'm also nervous about sending the card back (If they even give me that option) given the current shortages. I'm certainly happy to contact support, but wanted to gauge the community first.

I wouldn't call myself an extreme overclocker, and I'm happy with the card, but I do want to make sure I'm getting the most bang for my buck. If anyone has any insight, it would be tremendously appreciated.

Thanks a ton in advance, all.




Hey, 

My 3080 FTW3 Ultra issue is a hardware one as covered by Buildzoid (which I wish I had found before I bought the card). AFAIK it only affected the 3080 SKU's not the Ti or 3090 variants. 
My experience with opening a ticket is sending support your logs/scores for 3DMark etc. and if it is within their expected performance range they don't see this as an issue. So you won't be getting any real help there unless of course you are underperforming.

Based on the post kevinc313 linked it looks like a firmware update was issued to close the gap on the under-reported wattage. Perhaps open X1 and see if it prompts you to update? Perhaps join that thread and let us know what power figures you're getting in GPU-Z and any limiting factors (Pwr, Voltage etc.) once the new firmware has flashed. 

I wanted to give EVGA another chance now with GPU prices coming down a little so asked my local retailer to import a Hydro Copper 12Gb 3080 or Ti variant in their next shipment so I really hope those cards don't have any issues as I love that block and I've been dying to get one. 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 00:58:04 (permalink)
@ p4rk3r
 
could you please try using  OCCT Stresstest with your card and use GPU-Z with 0.1sec intervall reporting. 
if found out the card is actually doing 450 watt but trottles heavy so that u wont see the 450 watt peaks with 1 sec reporting. 

My card ( 3080ti ftw3 ) reports 444 Watt average while having 390 watt low and 469 watt high reportings in a 25 sek intervall with 250 samples at 0.1sec.

I did havae a none TI as well and could easily run 450 with it. 
 
regards. 
 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:10:10 (permalink)
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@ p4rk3r
 
could you please try using  OCCT Stresstest with your card and use GPU-Z with 0.1sec intervall reporting. 
if found out the card is actually doing 450 watt but trottles heavy so that u wont see the 450 watt peaks with 1 sec reporting. 

My card ( 3080ti ftw3 ) reports 444 Watt average while having 390 watt low and 469 watt high reportings in a 25 sek intervall with 250 samples at 0.1sec.

I did havae a none TI as well and could easily run 450 with it. 
 
regards. 
 




Well, that certainly seems to have pulled those hidden watts!  I ran OCCT stresstest on my GPU like you suggested and set GPU-Z to 0.1s polling and my average board power draw was 444!  Max was 485!  (Wow.) At this point, I think I'm convinced that my card is performing normally, but out of curiosity, why would this be?  If my PerfCap Reason in games is Pwr, and there's more power to be had, why doesn't it utilize it?
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:17:11 (permalink)
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@ p4rk3r
 
could you please try using  OCCT Stresstest with your card and use GPU-Z with 0.1sec intervall reporting. 
if found out the card is actually doing 450 watt but trottles heavy so that u wont see the 450 watt peaks with 1 sec reporting. 

My card ( 3080ti ftw3 ) reports 444 Watt average while having 390 watt low and 469 watt high reportings in a 25 sek intervall with 250 samples at 0.1sec.

I did havae a none TI as well and could easily run 450 with it. 
 
regards. 
 




Well, that certainly seems to have pulled those hidden watts!  I ran OCCT stresstest on my GPU like you suggested and set GPU-Z to 0.1s polling and my average board power draw was 444!  Max was 485!  (Wow.) At this point, I think I'm convinced that my card is performing normally, but out of curiosity, why would this be?  If my PerfCap Reason in games is Pwr, and there's more power to be had, why doesn't it utilize it?




The card has several internal power limits, so when one of those is reached it will cap power overall.  This means under a normal gaming load you'll see a max of about 415-430w.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:24:36 (permalink)
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https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321
 
Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.




Just did a fresh install of Windows, re-flashed the BIOS using the XOC tool on this forum, and installed the latest X1. No dice. Still won't draw more than 390W (max draws: Pin#1 125W, Pin#2 154W, Pin#3 69W) in Furmark and even less in TimeSpy (360W). 

What did get fixed though is it now defaults the LED's to Rainbow at least which is what I wanted.




Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?
 
You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.
 
That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.


You forgot to check the pcie draw. That's 75w minimum. Mine draws closer to 85 on timespy runs. That would put you at about 435w and with the "missing" 20-30w that go unreported for some reason, you would be pulling over 450w
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:40:44 (permalink)
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kevinc313
 
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321
 
Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.




Just did a fresh install of Windows, re-flashed the BIOS using the XOC tool on this forum, and installed the latest X1. No dice. Still won't draw more than 390W (max draws: Pin#1 125W, Pin#2 154W, Pin#3 69W) in Furmark and even less in TimeSpy (360W). 

What did get fixed though is it now defaults the LED's to Rainbow at least which is what I wanted.




Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?
 
You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.
 
That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.


You forgot to check the pcie draw. That's 75w minimum. Mine draws closer to 85 on timespy runs. That would put you at about 435w and with the "missing" 20-30w that go unreported for some reason, you would be pulling over 450w



Lol, what?  Most 3080's, 3080 Ti's and 3090 pull around 40w-50w from the pcie slot on the stock bios.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:46:23 (permalink)
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https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3251321

Try flashing the bios again and run the latest X1.




Just did a fresh install of Windows, re-flashed the BIOS using the XOC tool on this forum, and installed the latest X1. No dice. Still won't draw more than 390W (max draws: Pin#1 125W, Pin#2 154W, Pin#3 69W) in Furmark and even less in TimeSpy (360W). 

What did get fixed though is it now defaults the LED's to Rainbow at least which is what I wanted.




Well that's thorough, good job.  Can you test the power limit and other card control of X1, see if it can reduce power limit, increase and decrease core clock under load, memory clock and voltage?  Obviously you're selecting the increased power with the slider and then hitting the apply button?

You could also try Afterburner 4.6.4 Beta 3.

That is a wonky power draw for sure, like my 3080 Ti FTW3 had.


You forgot to check the pcie draw. That's 75w minimum. Mine draws closer to 85 on timespy runs. That would put you at about 435w and with the "missing" 20-30w that go unreported for some reason, you would be pulling over 450w



Lol, what?  Most 3080's, 3080 Ti's and 3090 pull around 40w-50w from the pcie slot on the stock bios.


Just look at board draw next time instead of adding up the pin draws. That'll give you a complete picture once you add about 25w from the underreporting bug.

They def pull more than 50w
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 08:57:15 (permalink)
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Just look at board draw next time instead of adding up the pin draws. That'll give you a complete picture once you add about 25w from the underreporting bug.

They def pull more than 50w



You're going to need to do better than that.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 09:00:13 (permalink)
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Just look at board draw next time instead of adding up the pin draws. That'll give you a complete picture once you add about 25w from the underreporting bug.

They def pull more than 50w



You're going to need to do better than that.
I don't need to do anything 😂
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit? 2022/01/27 09:10:27 (permalink)
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Just look at board draw next time instead of adding up the pin draws. That'll give you a complete picture once you add about 25w from the underreporting bug.

They def pull more than 50w



You're going to need to do better than that.
I don't need to do anything 😂



Then stop making ridiculous claims and telling me I forgot something about the power figures someone else posted.  I've logged these card extensively.  40-50w on PCIe on MOST of them at stock 100% power. 
 
Now, it's a known issue the 3090 Rev 0.1 have an uneven power draw and some of those pull over 75w on the PCIe slot and there is a special warranty program for them.
 
As far as I can tell "P4RK3R" is posting an overall power figure for a 3080, then the #1 #2 #3 powers.  He didn't post PCIe, which is probably about 40w and normal.
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