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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Thursday, January 27, 2022 5:35 PM
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could you please try using OCCT Stresstest with your card and use GPU-Z with 0.1sec intervall reporting.
if found out the card is actually doing 450 watt but trottles heavy so that u wont see the 450 watt peaks with 1 sec reporting.
My card ( 3080ti ftw3 ) reports 444 Watt average while having 390 watt low and 469 watt high reportings in a 25 sek intervall with 250 samples at 0.1sec.
I did havae a none TI as well and could easily run 450 with it.
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Well, that certainly seems to have pulled those hidden watts! I ran OCCT stresstest on my GPU like you suggested and set GPU-Z to 0.1s polling and my average board power draw was 444! Max was 485! (Wow.) At this point, I think I'm convinced that my card is performing normally, but out of curiosity, why would this be? If my PerfCap Reason in games is Pwr, and there's more power to be had, why doesn't it utilize it?
The card has several internal power limits, so when one of those is reached it will cap power overall. This means under a normal gaming load you'll see a max of about 415-430w.
Well, I want to say that I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out. Hope you have a great day.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Thursday, January 27, 2022 5:58 PM
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JWoods483
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@ p4rk3r
could you please try using OCCT Stresstest with your card and use GPU-Z with 0.1sec intervall reporting.
if found out the card is actually doing 450 watt but trottles heavy so that u wont see the 450 watt peaks with 1 sec reporting.
My card ( 3080ti ftw3 ) reports 444 Watt average while having 390 watt low and 469 watt high reportings in a 25 sek intervall with 250 samples at 0.1sec.
I did havae a none TI as well and could easily run 450 with it.
regards.
Well, that certainly seems to have pulled those hidden watts! I ran OCCT stresstest on my GPU like you suggested and set GPU-Z to 0.1s polling and my average board power draw was 444! Max was 485! (Wow.) At this point, I think I'm convinced that my card is performing normally, but out of curiosity, why would this be? If my PerfCap Reason in games is Pwr, and there's more power to be had, why doesn't it utilize it?
The card has several internal power limits, so when one of those is reached it will cap power overall. This means under a normal gaming load you'll see a max of about 415-430w.
Well, I want to say that I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out. Hope you have a great day.
Thanks and happy to help. Sounds like you have a good card.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Thursday, May 05, 2022 5:45 PM
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Hey, sorry it took so long to respond on this one, changed jobs so things got a little hectic there. Anyway - as most of you figured out I omitted the PCIe power draw - recently I snagged a 3080 FTW Ultra 12Gb at MSRP +import duties and fees (still cheaper than the 3080 10Gb I bought locally around September last year) so I decided to do a side-by-side comparison: Tested using the following benchmarks: - Shadow of the Tomb Raider (maxed settings, no DLSS and no motion blur, 4K)
- Forza Horizon 4 (max settings, no motion blur, 1080p)
- 3D Mark FireStrike Ultra 4K and TimeSpy Extreme 4K
The 3080 10Gb I set to an OC of +100 on the core, and +500 on the memory, voltage is maxed and power limit set to +118%. The max power draw I saw was 422W for a single instant - a second instant at 412W and then nothing else above 410W again let alone anything sustained. Then I filtered my logging results to all instances above 350W to ensure the GPU was under load and took an average of that getting 381.6W - so this board didn't get close to 450W power draw, with the average still under 400W. Hot spot temp was 79C, while GPU temp was 68.5C so cooling wasn't an issue. The 3080 12Gb at stock settings besides a +112.5% Power Limit performed better getting the same or 1-2% better frame rates as the overclocked 3080 10Gb but it was able to pull 453W at it's peak with multiple instances of it breaching 450W. The average current draw above 350W was 421.75W which is a marked improvement as well. Temps were a little higher, Hot spot at 80C and GPU temp at 74C. I'd attach my log files/pics of graphs but looks like I can't do the former, and the latter requires images to be hosted elsewhere so meh haha. I originally bought an Ultra card knowing that they're binned samples with the intention of putting a waterblock on it, but with the 10Gb's power limit I just couldn't justify it. With the 12Gb however I feel it's more warranted despite not expecting huge gains in performance. Thanks!
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Thursday, May 05, 2022 6:11 PM
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Sunday, May 08, 2022 9:33 AM
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Ultra's are not binned.
Ah, I was under the impression they were from a few online reviews/YT vids. What SKU's are binned that aren't the 3090 range?
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 09, 2022 1:09 PM
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Ultra's are not binned.
Ah, I was under the impression they were from a few online reviews/YT vids. What SKU's are binned that aren't the 3090 range?
There were various rumors from tecktoobers saying whatever, also FE cards being binned (no). No sign of any actual Nvidia binning this gen, unlike the A-chip TU102/TU104 of last gen. Supposedly the Kingpin is binned by EVGA. Maybe Galax bins their top cards.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 09, 2022 1:19 PM
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Ultra's are not binned.
Ah, I was under the impression they were from a few online reviews/YT vids. What SKU's are binned that aren't the 3090 range?
There were various rumors from tecktoobers saying whatever, also FE cards being binned (no). No sign of any actual Nvidia binning this gen, unlike the A-chip TU102/TU104 of last gen.
Supposedly the Kingpin is binned by EVGA. Maybe Galax bins their top cards.
Kingpin himself said his cards were binned so they def are, the FTW's MAY be binned to get warranty reliable cards to run those higher clocks but i dont know for sure. Obviously lower end cards with little overclocking dont need binning but i cant imagine that the HOF cards arent binned also. If not, boy do they get good pcbs! 
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 09, 2022 1:41 PM
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Ultra's are not binned.
Ah, I was under the impression they were from a few online reviews/YT vids. What SKU's are binned that aren't the 3090 range?
There were various rumors from tecktoobers saying whatever, also FE cards being binned (no). No sign of any actual Nvidia binning this gen, unlike the A-chip TU102/TU104 of last gen.
Supposedly the Kingpin is binned by EVGA. Maybe Galax bins their top cards.
Kingpin himself said his cards were binned so they def are, the FTW's MAY be binned to get warranty reliable cards to run those higher clocks but i dont know for sure. Obviously lower end cards with little overclocking dont need binning but i cant imagine that the HOF cards arent binned also. If not, boy do they get good pcbs!
There are examples of FTW3's that are poor OC'ers. Obviously they come out of the box at a higher theoretical boost clock, but that has more do do with power limit.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 30, 2022 3:59 PM
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Your Afterburner isn't applying the 118% power limit properly. Bet you it's an old pre Ampere version. The board is running with the 380W, 100% power limit. It is normal to see peaks into the 390W range with the FTW3 at stock settings. My 3080 FTW3 with the 450w bios sees peaks to 475w, but averages 425-445w depending on load. TRY THE X1.
Run FURMARK 2560x1920 0X MSAA and reset GPU-Z while running, average power will read nearly dead on 380w.
Used X1 with a +112 core and +1250 mem Slider set to 118% my avg was 360w
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 30, 2022 4:16 PM
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What do you see stock? My 3080 pulled 380w . What program are you using to test?
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 30, 2022 4:31 PM
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at stock
avg 365w after 3 minutes of furmark
avg 405w on Kombustor
PrefCap is always PWR
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Monday, May 30, 2022 4:58 PM
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Kingpin himself said his cards were binned so they def are
HIS are (the one he sets records with), or every Kingpin card is binned?
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:29 AM
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I can say this watt thing has always been an issue with the FTW3. I know we're discussing the 3080, but my brand new 3090 FTW3 Hybrid supposedly "came with" the 500 watt bios, however I couldn't get it to pull anything over 420ish watts.
I started checking evga's thread for the 500 watt bios and it seemed like I already had the same one installed on my card so what gives? I then tried switching the bios .. Maybe they got them mixed up and the regular bios had the full 500 watts.. nope.
I went to techpowerup and downloaded a few 3090 FTW3 bios and flashed 2 times before finally getting one that lets me pull up to 510watts all day.
Now I'm here in Witcher 3 (just now finally getting into this game) running 2115MHz @490ish watts.
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Re: 3080 FTW3 ultra not using correct power limit?
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:20 PM
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I can say this watt thing has always been an issue with the FTW3. I know we're discussing the 3080, but my brand new 3090 FTW3 Hybrid supposedly "came with" the 500 watt bios, however I couldn't get it to pull anything over 420ish watts.
I started checking evga's thread for the 500 watt bios and it seemed like I already had the same one installed on my card so what gives? I then tried switching the bios .. Maybe they got them mixed up and the regular bios had the full 500 watts.. nope.
I went to techpowerup and downloaded a few 3090 FTW3 bios and flashed 2 times before finally getting one that lets me pull up to 510watts all day.
Now I'm here in Witcher 3 (just now finally getting into this game) running 2115MHz @490ish watts.
Was your power slider max on the stock BIOS the same as the one you flashed that finally worked? Glad you got it working. No other BIOS for me to try sadly, the LHR version of the 3080 has no other options than the one EVGA released. I wish it was a BIOS problem but EVGA support staff don't respond to questions about that. They seem to be on total lockdown to discussing this 3080 PCB.
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