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I am building myself a new 4k PC and am willing to spend roughly 2k on GPUs(Yes I'm nuts) am I better off with 2 EVGA Titan X Hybrids or 3 reference 980 GTX Tis? I can't get my hands on any Hybrid 980 Tis unfortunately. Thanks guys.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 17:37:40
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2 Titan x you are welcome
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 18:45:29
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Just because of the Vram?
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 18:49:58
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 19:20:57
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Changed my decision to 3x 980 Ti.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 20:03:52
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For 2K, I would also say 3x 980 Ti. Didn't expect the 980 Ti to perform so closely to the Titan X - then again, if you are gaming above 4K resolution (like me), 6GB VRAM doesn't cut it. Proof: https://youtu.be/NQIc9MuP8ck
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 20:19:54
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Well I won't be going above 4k. I have a 1440p 144hz monitor and a 4k 60hz TV. I do just as much couch gaming these days so I will be playing plenty of 4k. As long as 6gb is enough for 4k it works for me. And I am hoping vram pooling with win 10 is real.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 20:22:01
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For 2K, I would also say 3x 980 Ti.
Didn't expect the 980 Ti to perform so closely to the Titan X - then again, if you are gaming above 4K resolution (like me), 6GB VRAM doesn't cut it.
Proof: https://youtu.be/NQIc9MuP8ck
How many users are really going to 5K as in the Video. 5K (5120x2880) on the Dell UP2715K What maybe $6000 or $8000 for his rig? My self will be on 1920x1200 for at least 5 more years and do not see ever going to 4K. By the time I do have to get new monitors it most likely be at 6K or even 8K. 4 Titans and only running 3-Way SLI? Most of the comments on the video were not good as well. I would concur with Sajin and use 3-Way SLI with the GTX 980Ti or want for the GTX 990Ti.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/05 21:14:50
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Dude. Don't listen to these people about 4k. I was rolling in 4k with GTX 980 SCs SLI and had absolutely NO ISSUES with 4k, and that's running GTA V max settings, Witcher etc. SLI TI's is going to be perfectly fine. 4k across two monitors btw.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 05:48:17
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Easy call. 2 Titan X
6GB isn't going to cut it unless you want to turn down eye candy. VRAM stacking in DX12 is only theory at this point and developers will still need to implement the feature and god knows when that will happen. If I were dropping cash on a high end system today for 4k in SLI, there is no way I would limit myself to 6GB. Consoles already have 8GB to use and developers are going to use it. 12GB with Titan X is a little overkill with 8GB being the spot. And SLI doesn't scale all that well for the 3rd card (unless you are a bencher). For a 4K gaming system I'd get the VRAM.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 06:04:00
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TITAN X SLI is configuration for kings. Guys who can enjoy in such configuration are not aware how they are lucky... Why to go on 3rd graphic card for gaming when TITAN X SLI will give you everything for hard core gaming. Next year you will play and cards will use 5-6GB and you will be happy because you choose TITAN X. Much easier you will install 3rd TITAN X when price drop little or some used card than to change 3xGTX980Ti if you figure out that on higher resolution memory is around 5.5-6GB. If you chose TITAN X with SC model or Hybrid your score will be higher than most powerful custom GTX980Ti. That's 15-20% performance improvement over TITAN X and that's beast configuration. Top, no better than that. I promise you, next Spring on 4K your memory usage will be 5-5.5GB minimum. With 6GB video card you will feel lack of memory on 5.7-5.8-5.9GB, not over 6GB.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 06:08:23
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One less card to trouble shoot, one less card to add heat and draw power, similar performance, one less card for SLi issues.... seems simple to me, either way are gonna be overkill and either way are going to be outdated by something new 16 months from now. If its something you plan to stick with for 3+ years then the aforementioned perks of 2 cards over 3 seems a no brainer to me, jmho.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 06:16:58
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On your place if TITAN X Hybrid is not available I would order 2x TITAN X SC and than easy...
Prepare some nice thermal pads famous as good proper thickness and size, MX-4 thermal paste, 2x backplate, and 2x Hybrid cooler for TITAN X.
And your cards will be thankful to you.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 06:34:06
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Thank you guys I greatly appreciate all your input. I have these 5 cards waiting for me at home and I return home from vacation tomorrow. I have a decision to make but you guys are helping. I am leaning towards the 2 titans at the moment.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 07:22:03
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Choice of champions......Have Fun
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 08:14:18
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Thank you guys I greatly appreciate all your input. I have these 5 cards waiting for me at home and I return home from vacation tomorrow. I have a decision to make but you guys are helping. I am leaning towards the 2 titans at the moment.
Yea, that's wise decision. You will not be sorry because of that. If someone think to play on 4K or have plan to upgrade later on some good monitors as ASUS 3800R Curved 34" IPS Panel with aluminum pedestal, than TITAN X SC with 12GB is best option. Later when time come to replace TITAN X for something newer you should leave at least one as backup card. Every series show up and pass but GTX TITAN is always graphic with style...
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 11:08:58
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Isn't there a video floating around with the head of NVIDIA outright explaining that the extra vram for the Titan is specifically for GAME DEVELOPERS and people DESIGNING games in 4k? You're giving this guy bad advice when he can sli 3 980tis and be perfectly fine.
Point is ONE ti offers same exact performance at the level of ONE Titan x. 3 980 tis are better than two Titan x.
Also do your research bro. Titan X from what I've seen on these boards doesn't handle OCing well.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 11:29:20
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NVIDIA could explain what they want... It's fact that on 4K resolution he will need 5GB before January 2016. When he install game and set resolution and details if some new game need over 5GB than he could ask NVIDIA what to do with 3 graphic cards and same fps as single card with 12GB. 6GB could buy someone who will use 1920x1080 or 2560x1440p with GTX980Ti SLI example... But if someone want to use next 2 years and more 4K resolution and want to buy expensive system and whole time to be sure that video memory will not be limitation than 6GB is not good option. That's as someone choose now 3xGTX980 instead 2xGTX980Ti... And GTX980Ti is not same as TITAN X, she is maybe 10% slower card. I think if someone buy TITAN X SLI or GTX980Ti 3 Way SLI than he plan to use that configuration example 2 years. That's not long period, performance will be still incredible... Same as now TITAN Black SLI... But can someone imagine what will happen for 2 years, that mean developers have space only 1.5GB video memory for next 2 years or his configuration will need more video memory. Because now card use 4- 4.5GHz on 4K. They have 1-1.5GB for next 2 years for next gen games. Maybe he need to buy 3xGTX980Ti 6GB and again for 12 months to buy Pascal with same performance only with 8GB. As GTX780Ti owners do with GTX980. That's best scenario for NVIDIA, but not for customers. NVIDIA don't know what they can do more to force people on such movements they almost sabotage performance of 1 year old graphics.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 11:33:21
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Titan X from what I've seen on these boards doesn't handle OCing well.
Choosing not to get a certain type of GPU because it doesn't "overclock" well does not warrant it enough not to buy that GPU. overclocking is just a luxery anyway and it really isn't designed to be done to the GPU (look at the failed 980 FTW for a perfect example) . It's your discretion if you decide to overclock, and shouldn't discourage anyone from buying the card, if the card cannot overclock.... The Titan X is a beast, and will always be a beast.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 11:42:51
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Yea, conclusion that TITAN X not OC well is nothing... Before 2 months people talk different things... 1400-1500MHz and some huge numbers... But I didn't believe in that.
Most important thing is that you can play on 150MHz by fabric overclocked TITAN X. If that is not enough for gaming, + 150 offset than I don't know what is enough...
That's fact... Even if some card OC excellent nobody will go much over that 150-200MHz and that's it.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 16:46:26
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NVIDIA could explain what they want... It's fact that on 4K resolution he will need 5GB before January 2016.
When he install game and set resolution and details if some new game need over 5GB than he could ask NVIDIA what to do with 3 graphic cards and same fps as single card with 12GB. 6GB could buy someone who will use 1920x1080 or 2560x1440p with GTX980Ti SLI example...
But if someone want to use next 2 years and more 4K resolution and want to buy expensive system and whole time to be sure that video memory will not be limitation than 6GB is not good option. That's as someone choose now 3xGTX980 instead 2xGTX980Ti...
And GTX980Ti is not same as TITAN X, she is maybe 10% slower card.
I think if someone buy TITAN X SLI or GTX980Ti 3 Way SLI than he plan to use that configuration example 2 years.
That's not long period, performance will be still incredible... Same as now TITAN Black SLI... But can someone imagine what will happen for 2 years, that mean developers have space only 1.5GB video memory for next 2 years or his configuration will need more video memory.
Because now card use 4- 4.5GHz on 4K. They have 1-1.5GB for next 2 years for next gen games.
Maybe he need to buy 3xGTX980Ti 6GB and again for 12 months to buy Pascal with same performance only with 8GB.
As GTX780Ti owners do with GTX980. That's best scenario for NVIDIA, but not for customers.
NVIDIA don't know what they can do more to force people on such movements they almost sabotage performance of 1 year old graphics.
I'd like whatever drug you're using to convince someone that we it in the next 3-4 years EVERYONE WILL BE NEEDING 24 GB OF VRAM TO RUN 4K cuz I bought a card that's used for flopping and game development and want to convince everyone that its such an amazing investment that will pay off!!! Keep telling yourself that. I'm running two 4k monitors just fine with 980s in sli. The titan is overkill now that the 980ti came out. He's going to be running 18gb bid ram vs 24 and save some money (don't care how rich you are pinching pennies is critical) cash in on the 980ti's when pascal drops and STILL be able to sell them for a decent price and buy pascal, where as the titan X will STILL BE OUT OF RANGE price wise for most consumers. As for 10%? Yeah sorry no. All the data supports the ti performing just as well as the titan. It'll only get better with optimization. Kind of like a certain AMD card that's still kicking major butt. 3 way SLI is more than enough to slay anything dropping within the next 3-4 years on 4k. Put your crack pipe down. I'm not even touching the flawed math. As for someone not caring what nvidia engineers or developers say? You should. When they tell you that 12gb will never be fully utilized in personal PC gaming? That its a card for building games in 4k and for building stuff for VR? And further in the video tell you that the gtx 980ti IS THE CARD TO BUY? Yeah. There's certainly a problem there and its not with NVIDIA. Even Toms hardware is bailing on the Titan.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 17:10:15
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Raven are you sure about DX12 and the Vram pooling? If so the 980 Ti seems like the way to go.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 17:42:27
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lol Dx12 is not even out yet...
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 18:18:35
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Titan X SLI if you are willing to mod the BIOS and run them to 1500MHz/121% Power Target, since some games don't scale with 3 cards very well. If running the cards at stock then 980Ti Tri-SLI is better. Be warned though, even three 980Ti/Titan X isn't enough to max all games at 4K with AA. Even Three Titan Xs only gets about low mid-50fps at 4K with Ultra Settings + AA in Crysis 3 for instance. Sometimes you'll have to turn something down.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 18:35:31
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I just went through this decision-making process and went with 2x Titan X instead of 2x 980Ti. I know its not quite the same as 3x 980Ti, but 3x means its even more likely you will run out of VRAM. Reason being, the 2nd and 3rd cards mean you have the perf budget to crank up the settings, view distance, shadow resolution/quality, and AA all boost up VRAM use a ton. And this was only in 1440p in 2D and 3D Vision. AC: Unity was the one that really opened my eyes, I wasn't able to run Ultra quality with just 1x Titan X (ran V.High, 2xAA) and got 50-60FPS only used 4.5-5GB, but with 2x980Ti, I could turn on Ultra and 4xMSAA and still get 70-80FPS. And that's when it happened. 6GB capped. 6048 flatlined....and flickering/flashing textures when you loaded a scene or panned and the texture wasn't in local VRAM cache, and little stutters that made the game less smooth. GTA5 was similar, 6GB in 3D Vision as that added about 1.5GB. I tried a few others that didn't push up to 6GB like Witcher 3, but I think new games and DX12 are only going to push VRAM limits even more. Batman for example is rumored to be 45GB on PS4, so figure the PC Version will be even bigger. It is a big difference in price for 2xTitan X over 2x780Ti, but for similar money, I would go 2xTitan X especially since that 3rd card doesn't scale well in raw FPS, and cranking up the settings mean you will hit that 6GB wall sooner. Still, was fun testing this out for myself, I have my 2nd Titan X coming next week. 
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 18:45:46
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Fair enough. Apologies to vlada and the others. Seems as though titan x is the superior card.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 18:56:24
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Raven are you sure about DX12 and the Vram pooling? If so the 980 Ti seems like the way to go.
Also guys, please do not put undue faith in VRAM pooling. Its a slidedeck feature that I personally do not think is going to amount to much, or change the way VRAM is handled in multi-GPU. Why? Because in order for GPU #1 to get to the VRAM physically attached to GPU #2, the texture data is going to have to traverse EXTREMELY slow interconnects, 1GB/s max over SLI connector, 16GB/s max over PCIe, which all pales in comparison to VRAM to GPU bandwidth of 331GB/s on these GPUs. HBM2 is going to crank this up to over 1TB/s. Nvidia is planning to address some of these inter-GPU bandwidth speed issues with NVLink but that wont' come until Pascal and there's no guarantee it will be used with the full 80GB/s bandwidth for GeForce since it was designed as a HPC feature for Tesla.
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 22:06:56
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I might as well join here... I feel like saying something, those that encourage others for saving up, and just waiting to get a Titan X, or those that support the Titan X - I want to say thank you. I think you mean good, and that you wish for others to have a really good experience with their cards. I once asked someone what they thought about my build I wanted to make (it originally only had 1 GTX 980) and he kept on insisting that I get two GTX 970s and SLI them. I wanted 1080p @ 144Hz while assuming all graphical details are set to high. Mind you, I only wanted one graphics card solution. Less cards for me is better, which is uno. While I won't get into the stutter, and SLI issues that could happen... I wanted none of it. I only want one card (for now). What I found funny was this same person said that 970s SLI would smoke a Titan X at 4k. No, I can see two 980s SLI beating a Titan X... but even then. This same individual said a GTX 980 is a waste and I'm wasting my money. Then this same person was trying to convince me to get an AMD card instead. Sometimes I get annoyed at people saying their video cards that could be bought for $300-$400 bucks can easily run at 4K in games. If my understanding is correct... that is a dream. Unless they mean 4K at 30, 20fps? My conclusion with a Titan X is that it can perform very well at gaming, but that it is an entry level card for high end software, and programs not related to gaming? I'm very young with all this knowledge though. Is this accurate? SLI 970s > 980, SLI 980s > Titan X (gaming), SLI Titan X > omg lets have fun?
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Re: 2x Titan X Hybrid vs 3 980 GTX Ti
2015/06/06 22:21:31
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Except you can RUN 4k with SLI 980s?
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