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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:00:01
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There won't be a difference.
You have one 480SC running at 16x bandwidth and the other one running at 8x bandwidth.............Has to be some difference.
They should both be running @ X8 if he is not running them at X16. I wouldn't think they would run one @ x16 the other @ x8.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:01:04
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Just press ALT CTRL DEL,(start taskmanager) *leave it open* and then open up realtemp, or view your temps ect.. close the task manager and it will maximize again.
Restarting bc2 fixed the issue I had, thanks for the help anyways!
I've never once had any games freeze on me before with my new build but playing BC2 for the past hour and I've had it freeze twice where I had to alt ctrl del to close the game... anyone else having issues ?
I have always had that game CTD. Along with a bunch of others that I know.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:06:36
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^ there probably is not much sli support yet, for the game possibly in general and the new driver is not even a beta.
That would explain the difference in SLI from driver to driver, but would not explain getting less fps with SLI.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:08:04
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There won't be a difference.
You have one 480SC running at 16x bandwidth and the other one running at 8x bandwidth.............Has to be some difference.
They should both be running @ X8 if he is not running them at X16. I wouldn't think they would run one @ x16 the other @ x8.
No..758 boards First two slots are x16. Third slot is always x8 Running with all three slots filled results in slot one at x16 slot two reduced to x8 and slot three at x8. I've run it in all possible combinations and I've noticed no performance change outside the margin of error.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:09:06
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I'm using the 1st and 3rd slot on my EVGA 758
Can you try Slots 1 and 2 (The Proper Slots) for a couple of minutes, Bench again to see what the results are? You might not physically notice, but the numbers might show an improvement......??? The way you have it set up, you might as well take the SLI cable off and run the card in Slot 3 as a PhysX.
Huh? Are you under the impression that you wouldn't get the usual performance boost of sli in games in general with them in slots 1 and 3? If that is the case you're poorly informed. Additionally, there are no "proper slots" (ha) in this situation. Unless you enjoy running two air cooled 480s that close to each other. Granted my antec 1200 and the extra fans in there can cool them sufficiently in slots 1/2, it isn't worth it to me. I can OC better with slots 1/3 and make up for it easily. *edit* wanted to throw this quote in for good measure " Then in some instances we actually saw the x16/x8 configuration run faster. We don't have any big explanations for you on that, but the results were repeatable." http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/16/sli_cfx_pcie_bandwidth_perf_x16x16_vs_x16x8/6 The numbers may improve by a frame, maybe two (literally). I've obviously tested it myself. Been using this board and these two 480s for months. ------------------------- MAFIA II benchies with sli disabled, extra 480 dedicated to physx same settings as last time 55fps avg Also the res was 1920x1080 not 1920x1024 sorry...
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:16:56
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Ok so my bench's are not off. So SLI must just not work with Mafia 2.
Wonder if they will fix that. I thought there was the same problem with the demo. Or it just installed physx wrong.
But either way. As of now it seems Mafia is best ran with one card, and one dedicated to physx. Seems odd to me. Suprised your only getting 10 more fps with your 480's.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:18:41
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Y Bowenac
Ok so my bench's are not off. So SLI must just not work with Mafia 2.
Wonder if they will fix that. I thought there was the same problem with the demo. Or it just installed physx wrong.
But either way. As of now it seems Mafia is best ran with one card, and one dedicated to physx. Seems odd to me. Suprised your only getting 10 more fps with your 480's.
Yeah, I think it is just their code. Surprising though considering it supports so many Nvidia features.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:20:14
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Ok so my bench's are not off. So SLI must just not work with Mafia 2.
Wonder if they will fix that. I thought there was the same problem with the demo. Or it just installed physx wrong.
But either way. As of now it seems Mafia is best ran with one card, and one dedicated to physx. Seems odd to me. Suprised your only getting 10 more fps with your 480's.
Yeah, I think it is just their code. Surprising though considering it supports so many Nvidia features.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:27:42
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is the 460 GTX DPC issue fixed?
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:29:22
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is the 460 GTX DPC issue fixed?
Someone over on Guru3D claims yes and posted the App running and all is in the green.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:31:31
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Ok so my bench's are not off. So SLI must just not work with Mafia 2.
Wonder if they will fix that. I thought there was the same problem with the demo. Or it just installed physx wrong.
But either way. As of now it seems Mafia is best ran with one card, and one dedicated to physx. Seems odd to me. Suprised your only getting 10 more fps with your 480's.
Yeah, I think it is just their code. Surprising though considering it supports so many Nvidia features.
I know right.
what do you get if you disable physX in the game running sli, Im not aware of any PhysX title that runs more efficiently in sli, with the exception of metro maybe, it seems to allocate pyhsX and cuda to the more powerful resource no matter the configuration outside of the game. Im not trying to irritate you or question your integrity, just trying to get on the same page.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:32:13
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Huh? Are you under the impression that you wouldn't get the usual performance boost of sli in games in general with them in slots 1 and 3? If that is the case you're poorly informed.
Let us know when you figure out how to get SLI to work for Mafia II....
Whats that supposed to mean? You think if he changes slots all of a sudden sli is going to be working better. What about my results. I am running X58 classified with the 460's in X16 slots.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:34:32
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Bowenac
Ok so my bench's are not off. So SLI must just not work with Mafia 2.
Wonder if they will fix that. I thought there was the same problem with the demo. Or it just installed physx wrong.
But either way. As of now it seems Mafia is best ran with one card, and one dedicated to physx. Seems odd to me. Suprised your only getting 10 more fps with your 480's.
Yeah, I think it is just their code. Surprising though considering it supports so many Nvidia features.
I know right.
what do you get if you disable physX in the game running sli, Im not aware of any PhysX title that runs more efficiently in sli, with the exception of metro maybe, it seems to allocate pyhsX and cuda to the more powerful resource no matter the configuration outside of the game.
Im not trying to irritate you or question your integrity, just trying to get on the same page.
I can run it for you and check, but that has nothing to do with my results. I had the same settings on all the benchmarks. Physx was still on with one card, as it was with two. So for it to have more fps and have all the same settings makes no sense at all. Not like there were more physx with SLI off or on. BRB with some numbers. SLI No Physx in Game and 90+ usage on both cards.  GPU2 dedicated to physx 
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:47:47
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Come on youse guys need to realize dat Mafia II needs a dedicated GPU. When youse run with SLI without a dedicated PhysX card, the cloth PhysX runs on the CPU. Here's running SLI 470's with the third 470 dedicated to PhysX.  Here's running TRI SLI with the exact same settings: 
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:50:05
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Anyone find a Nividia link yet?
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:52:48
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is the 460 GTX DPC issue fixed?
cannot be confirmed or denied, but it looks like it is.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 15:59:00
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Come on youse guys need to realize dat Mafia II needs a dedicated GPU. When youse run with SLI without a dedicated PhysX card, the cloth PhysX runs on the CPU.
I think we all understand that part. But what I don't understand is the poor gpu usage with SLI when physx is enabled. 30-40% really on both cards. That doesn't seem right. To me it seems like the same problem when the demo was out. I mean I get the same as you with 2 460's one being dedicated to physx as you get with tri sli 470's come on. And your three 470's one being dedicated only gets 25 fps more then me.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 16:11:19
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@bowenac My point of running with out is that it is not an sli issue, the game runs fine in sli, you have proven that, but running physx in sli is not the same animal, my understanding is when you allocate resources for PhysX while in sli your gpu gets broken up into basically two engines, one is for physx redering and the other is for all other rendering, the cuda side is down clocked by a fair amount to boot. you cant see it unless you have some dev tools collecting data. when you use two seperate gpu's one for rendering and the other for Physx, the rendering gpu will run at full clock and the other down clocks and runs PhysX only, two separate units doing two separate jobs. instead of two units combined as one resource to be split virtually to do two separate jobs. Edit: I think i confused my self with my own post. to clear things up when I said down clock I meant synchronize clocks, and hemi's post reminded me of something else I remember reading, When two, three, or four matched GPUs are working in SLI, PhysX runs on one GPU, while graphics rendering runs on all GPUs. The NVIDIA drivers optimize the available resources across all GPUs to balance PhysX computation and graphics rendering. Therefore users can expect much higher frame rates and a better overall experience with SLI. http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_faq.html
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 16:31:42
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im uninstalling this driver , for the life of me I cant get 3 GPUs to work it shows 3 but only one will run plus it doesnt give me the option in NVCP.
LOL ****!!!
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:03:25
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Mafia II had some very nice improvments, but i noticed something very off and strange here, Xfire finally got support for the game and it fps counter is always correct, even matched up with fraps and games that supported console fps command lines.
Now what i found very odd and this isnt a driver version thing either but its because it never ran these programs other then watching the fps counter the benchmark does and the FPS counter and AVG are seriously off by literlly 20FPS. I noticed xfire counter was much higher and the screen deffinatly looked like it was running at the xfire fps displayed much smoother then the mid to high 20's the benchmark was showing.
Has anyone encountered anything else like this?
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:05:25
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Performance in BC2 is improved, but I'm seeing more CTD w/ 260.52
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:08:54
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Someone noted not being able to overclock their GPU with stability with these. Small trade off for BF BC2 working great.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:11:07
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Come on youse guys need to realize dat Mafia II needs a dedicated GPU. When youse run with SLI without a dedicated PhysX card, the cloth PhysX runs on the CPU.
I think we all understand that part. But what I don't understand is the poor gpu usage with SLI when physx is enabled. 30-40% really on both cards. That doesn't seem right. To me it seems like the same problem when the demo was out.
I mean I get the same as you with 2 460's one being dedicated to physx as you get with tri sli 470's come on.
And your three 470's one being dedicated only gets 25 fps more then me.
I get the same thing: 35-40% across 3 GPU running in SLI. I think you missed the part where cloth PhysX is running on the CPU in SLI without a dedicated PPU. As the PhysX effects and GPU rendering are synchronized, it slows down the whole rendering pipeline.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:33:28
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I've got a better fix, disable Physx. Dedicated GPU for some pieces of debris? Seriously? 
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:35:58
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Come on youse guys need to realize dat Mafia II needs a dedicated GPU. When youse run with SLI without a dedicated PhysX card, the cloth PhysX runs on the CPU.
I think we all understand that part. But what I don't understand is the poor gpu usage with SLI when physx is enabled. 30-40% really on both cards. That doesn't seem right. To me it seems like the same problem when the demo was out.
I mean I get the same as you with 2 460's one being dedicated to physx as you get with tri sli 470's come on.
And your three 470's one being dedicated only gets 25 fps more then me.
I get the same thing: 35-40% across 3 GPU running in SLI. I think you missed the part where cloth PhysX is running on the CPU in SLI without a dedicated PPU. As the PhysX effects and GPU rendering are synchronized, it slows down the whole rendering pipeline.
No I didn't miss that part. I just don't understand why it slows it down. It doesn't slow down with a dedicated PPU, so why does it slow down when physx are on cpu. It's not like the cpu is being fully utilized, or maxed out. It's just the cpu can't handle physx lke a gpu can. Even without dedicating physx to a gpu you can still select a gpu to be used rather then cpu or auto. I heard that helps a bit. Either way it still makes no sense to me how enabling physx without using a dedicated card would slow your SLI cards down to 30%. I would think they could make this better is all I am saying. I don't see how SLI slows everything down when you use physx. Curious what the usage is when using just one card with Physx on. Does it go down to 30% as well.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:43:30
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I've got a better fix, disable Physx. Dedicated GPU for some pieces of debris? Seriously?
Yea I know what you mean. I get 67 fps more with Physx off in SLI. SLI physx off I get 110 SLI physx on I get 43 SLI off physx on with dedicated card I get 48 Just seems crazy that the little bit of physx has that much of an impact on this game.
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:46:35
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Interesting. I normally do not try "Leaked" drivers.... But I must say so far these seem to be fine. I will do a few hours of gaming tonight to see.... One thing for sure... I like the new Installer.... 
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Re:260.52 DRIVER!!!
2010/09/08 17:53:32
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So where is the option to force cloth PhysX to GPU...????
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