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https://www.vgamezone.com/2019/08/12/amd-rx-5700-xt-gpus-reaching-110c-expected-and-within-spec-for-gaming/ AMD this Monday in a blog post demystified the boosting algorithm and thermal management of its new Radeon RX 5700 series "Navi" graphics cards. These cards are beginning to be available in custom-designs by AMD's board partners, but were only available as reference-design cards for over a month since their 7th July launch. The thermal management of these cards spooked many early adopters accustomed to seeing temperatures below 85 °C on competing NVIDIA graphics cards, with the Radeon RX 5700 XT posting GPU "hotspot" temperatures well above 100 °C, regularly hitting 110 °C, and sometimes even touching 113 °C with stress-testing application such as Furmark. In its blog post, AMD stated that 110 °C hotspot temperatures under "typical gaming usage" are "expected and within spec." AMD also elaborated on what constitutes "GPU Hotspot" aka "junction temperature." Apparently, the "Navi 10" GPU is peppered with an array of temperature sensors spread across the die at different physical locations. The maximum temperature reported by any of those sensors becomes the Hotspot. In that sense, Hotspot isn't a fixed location in the GPU. Legacy "GPU temperature" measurements on past generations of AMD GPUs relied on a thermal diode at a fixed location on the GPU die which AMD predicted would become the hottest under load. Over the generations, and starting with "Polaris" and "Vega," AMD leaned toward an approach of picking the hottest temperature value from a network of diodes spread across the GPU, and reporting it as the Hotspot. So there is nothing to worry about according to AMD. In my opinion AMD very quickly responded to this report.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/13 01:53:22
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These GPUs aren't even top end and are hitting those kind of thermals. AMD is known for inefficient thermals unfortunately. Let's go down memory lane.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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1) Some people/reviewers reporting 110c Tjunction temperature with the reference AMD 5700 XT were purposely reducing the fan speed (e.g. "noise normalized" tests). 2) Their partners' cards fix the thermals, so the supposed non-issue really becomes a non-issue. Look at the Gamers Nexus review of the Sapphire card. Tjunction temperature dropped by nearly 40c at the same noise-limited level. And the Sapphire card is expected to be rather lackluster compared to some other partner cards. It's too bad that AMD can't give its partner cards more of a spotlight. It would be great if AMD didn't start out each generation with such inferior cards in comparison to its later partner cards. Edit: Sapphire Review Link: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2983035
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Well what do we know. The AMD shareholders showed up. 
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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 Seriously though- I am sure the AIB are getting this way lower......
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/13 08:41:51
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so AMD cards still generate a lot of heat .... Nothing New, move along
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/13 11:17:14
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These GPUs aren't even top end and are hitting those kind of thermals. AMD is known for inefficient thermals unfortunately.
Let's go down memory lane.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/13 11:31:27
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Well usually reference card designs are hotter then the partner cards so this makes sense.
But i will see how partner cards handle once the full line of them rolls out.
Though maybe its time for AMD to change their reference design, they did some cool things with the 5700 XT model so why not make that design universal?
I mean sure the reference 5700XT has its flaws but with some tweaks it could be a star.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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These GPUs aren't even top end and are hitting those kind of thermals. AMD is known for inefficient thermals unfortunately.
Let's go down memory lane.
While we are headed down memory lane. Let's step back a bit further. "Fermi again. That's the third time this week."
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Well what do we know. The AMD shareholders showed up.
Apparently you know very little.
Being warmer then NVIDIA is not good. Nobody wants a card that can hit 113C while running even if AMD says it's normal when NVIDIA cards are running about 30C cooler.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Well what do we know. The AMD shareholders showed up.
Apparently you know very little.
Being warmer then NVIDIA is not good. Nobody wants a card that can hit 113C while running even if AMD says it's normal when NVIDIA cards are running about 30C cooler.
What's the point of this discussion when you guys continue to ignore facts? This issue is fixed; just like everyone knew it would be. It's especially funny that you start this discussion after the issue is fixed. If you care so much about the subject, why didn't you bring it up a month ago? It's misinformation and out of context. Again: 1) Some people/reviewers reporting 110c Tjunction temperature with the reference AMD 5700 XT were purposely reducing the fan speed (e.g. "noise normalized" tests). 2) Their partners' cards fix the thermals, so the supposed non-issue really becomes a non-issue. Look at the Gamers Nexus review of the Sapphire card. Tjunction temperature dropped by nearly 40c at the same noise-limited level. And the Sapphire card is expected to be rather lackluster compared to some other partner cards. It's too bad that AMD can't give its partner cards more of a spotlight. It would be great if AMD didn't start out each generation with such inferior cards in comparison to its later partner cards. Or, at least it would be nice if the partner cards could launch at the same time so that the reference AMD cards could be more easily seen for what they are; subpar versions. And rather than AMD saying "hey, it's not ideal, but it's fine", wouldn't it be nice if AMD could be honest and say something like "our partner cards are being released, the issue is totally resolved in those partner cards, and we know that you were probably waiting to buy a partner's superior 5700 XT anyway"? Being genuine seems so much better than saying "its' fine". Sapphire Review Link: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2983035
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/14 20:55:45
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Yes let's be positive about it; if your water loop springs a leak, this card will boil all the water away before it can do any damage. Winning! 
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/14 21:06:15
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Ignorance.
Ok, enjoy spamming your memes.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/14 21:21:44
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I'm just having some fun, don't take it personally.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/14 21:40:22
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I'm just having some fun, don't take it personally.
Ok cool. The videos of runaway turbine engines and melting computers didn't make it seem like most of you here were taking anything a bit seriously or were trying to be the least bit educated. It seemed like trolling for no reason other than trolling. Why would AMD not even mention that the most publicized information about 110c were from sources who were purposely limiting the fan speed? I mean, I agree that the reference cooler is terrible, but why would AMD not make that transparent in their statement? The fact of the matter is, in my opinion: 1) AMD really missed the mark when making this statement. "It's fine" is not a good thing to say. 2) The issue is completely fixed in partner cards. 3) No one who was going to buy the card was going to buy anything except for a partner card. So, what's the point of complaining about a piece of junk cooler when every buyer already knew it was a piece of junk cooler? It kind of seems like you guys have nothing better to do than to pick on the handicapped person when the rest of the class was already aware of the handicap and thinks its in poor taste.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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I'm just having some fun, don't take it personally.
Ok cool.
The videos of runaway turbine engines and melting computers didn't make it seem like anyone was taking anything seriously or were trying to be the least bit educated.
Why would AMD not even mention that the most publicized information about 110c were from sources who were purposely limiting the fan speed? I mean, I agree that the reference cooler is terrible, but why would AMD not make that transparent in their statement?
The fact of the matter is, in my opinion:
1) AMD really missed the mark when making this statement. "It's fine" is not a good thing to say.
2) The issue is completely fixed in partner cards.
3) No one who was going to buy the card was going to buy anything except for a partner card. So, what's the point of complaining about a piece of junk cooler when every buyer already knew it was a piece of junk cooler?
It kind of seems like you guys have nothing better to do than to pick on the handicapped person when the rest of the class was already aware of the handicap and thinks its in poor taste.
..so you openly admit that AMD are the retards of the GPU industry? ..but point taken. The Titan X (pascal) stock cooler was hopelessly inadequate, and the cards would throttle even under a moderate load. Nobody else sold them but NVidia though.. fortunately EVGA made an AiO cooler for it, now it runs at over 2GHz at about 60° on full load.
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/14 21:57:39
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..so you openly admit that AMD are the retards of the GPU industry?
Well, this blog post by AMD certainly wasn't a smart move on AMD's part. Hopeless. Why does AMD even sell these products with junk coolers year after year?
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
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Re: 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec"
2019/08/16 22:42:52
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Gamers Nexus doesn't think that 110c is expected either. Like Steve said, in most cases it was the forced slower fan speed noise normalized tests in reviews or users forcing fan speeds slower than default who had high Tj temperature. Worst case scenario, he thinks it is possible that some people using default fan speeds with really bad case airflow and very hot ambient temperatures may have hit 110c Tj (probably doing more than just gaming), but even then, to say it is "expected" is wrong; more like barely acceptable, but apparently the silicon can withstand it. It means that the default reference cooler was not adequate; but fortunately the partner cards -- which most serious buyers were waiting for -- fixed the problem. Again, poor PR on AMD's account for multiple reasons. Bad wording. Bad justification. Missed opportunities.
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