arestavo

Google "Nvidia NDA"
 
It's nuts, just nuts. If the cards sucked compared to the last generation and cost the same for similar performance in "legacy games" and cost almost twice as much for a 25 to 40% increase.... I'd be doing this:
 
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution
 
 
EDIT: back on topic of 20 series benchmarks...

NDA's are standard practice in the tech world and are absolutely necessary for protecting a product before release. If people were allowed to release their benchmarks now without proper drivers powering the cards, they could be sharing an inaccurate representation of the product consumers would receive on Sep 20, when it releases with official drivers. And, yes, drivers are very important for getting an accurate representation of how a gpu performs. That's why Nvidia always updates your drivers to make sure they're optimized for every big game release.
 
Just think of any of the big game releases you tried in closed beta in recent years. I had to sign an NDA just to play Elder Scrolls Online in closed beta in which Bethesda could take legal action against me if, basically, I led people to believe the closed beta could possibly represent the final product.
 
If there wasn't a need for an NDA right now, the 20 series would already be in our hands. Maybe Nvidia should have announced the GPU on Sept 10th, and kept it secret until then. If they left a gap this big with the 10 series announcement, there would have been the same NDA in place and people would be having the same doubts.

TheParagonHero

arestavo

Google "Nvidia NDA"
 
It's nuts, just nuts. If the cards sucked compared to the last generation and cost the same for similar performance in "legacy games" and cost almost twice as much for a 25 to 40% increase.... I'd be doing this:
 
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution
 
 
EDIT: back on topic of 20 series benchmarks...

NDA's are standard practice in the tech world and are absolutely necessary for protecting a product before release. If people were allowed to release their benchmarks now without proper drivers powering the cards, they could be sharing an inaccurate representation of the product consumers would receive on Sep 20, when it releases with official drivers. And, yes, drivers are very important for getting an accurate representation of how a gpu performs. That's why Nvidia always updates your drivers to make sure they're optimized for every big game release.
 
Just think of any of the big game releases you tried in closed beta in recent years. I had to sign an NDA just to play Elder Scrolls Online in closed beta in which Bethesda could take legal action against me if, basically, I led people to believe the closed beta could possibly represent the final product.
 
If there wasn't a need for an NDA right now, the 20 series would already be in our hands. Maybe Nvidia should have announced the GPU on Sept 10th, and kept it secret until then. If they left a gap this big with the 10 series announcement, there would have been the same NDA in place and people would be having the same doubts.

A 5 year NDA.
 
Controlling driver releases to reviewers?
 
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to." -HardOCP article that I linked.
 
It's shady as all get out and you know it.

Nvidiauser133
So basically the 2080ti would be around 20-30% faster than a 1080ti at double the cost lol, I really hope this isn’t true.
I’d rather take a no raytracing, no tensor core 2080ti at 799.99
Basically they just found a way to price gouge for their “ti’s“ and they’re using ray tracing as their excuse. (Yes I know some people are excited for ray-tracing but they should’ve released GTX and RTX side by side example: GTX 2080ti 799.99/ RTX 2080ti 1199.99)
Guess that’s what happens when there’s 0 competition.
Smart plan coming from nvidia honestly, great way to make more money.
For some reason I have a hunch next year the GTX versions might come out for each card.

Well really what I'm getting at is that finally 1 card can push 4k at 60+ FPS which in itself is super freaking awesome. The price point is NOT exciting. Granted i bit the bullet last gen and bought a Titan X (Pascal) and I love my card but even at the time i bought it i didnt like spending that much. Lo' and behold, 4-5 months after i bought my Titan X(p), they announced the 1080 Ti which was the same freaking card at a price point i would have been happier with. So i totally agree, 800 bucks would make this insanely lucrative (given the fact that we're still being bent over by NVIDIA) but it would hurt a lot less than this 1200-1300 garbage stuff. It's almost like they are trying to make up for no longer selling Titan as a consumer card.

You know it's funny.  I remember gaming on my GTX 480s at full settings @ 1080p 60hz.  Eventually as games progressed, I needed more than 1.5 GB of Vram.  Eventually I went with the 780s and BF3 was eating up 2.5 GB iirc and that wasn't even full settings because it would need over 3.0 GB of Vram.  My point is, I don't think 8 GB of Vram on the 2080 is enough as games progress, they'll eventually need more than that and I believe Nvidia knows that but what better way to force the consumer to have to upgrade.  While I would surely eye the 2080 with more Vram, the Ti looks like the better candidate for me for future proofing for say 5ish years BUT I'm not too happy with the pricing scheme, at all.  
 
Depending on the benchmarks, I might have to wait again on upgrading and I'm kinda getting tired of waiting. 

fearpoint
Just wait until the RTX 2090Ti 

Same boat here 😄😂😂

GTXJackBauer
You know it's funny.  I remember gaming on my GTX 480s at full settings @ 1080p 60hz.  Eventually as games progressed, I needed more than 1.5 GB of Vram.  Eventually I went with the 780s and BF3 was eating up 2.5 GB iirc and that wasn't even full settings because it would need over 3.0 GB of Vram.  My point is, I don't think 8 GB of Vram on the 2080 is enough as games progress, they'll eventually need more than that and I believe Nvidia knows that but what better way to force the consumer to have to upgrade.  While I would surely eye the 2080 with more Vram, the Ti looks like the better candidate for me for future proofing for say 5ish years BUT I'm not too happy with the pricing scheme, at all.  
 
Depending on the benchmarks, I might have to wait again on upgrading and I'm kinda getting tired of waiting. 

 
Did someone mention GTX 480s???? I am currently doing some performance testing on recent titles with these babies. I can assure you, 8-years later they still excel at one thing, heating up a room. 

I had 4 GTX 480s at one point. I had to put folded pieces of cardboard wedged in between them so that they could get some air on the top 3 cards.
 
It was an amazing room heater. And required a loud sound system / headphones.

RUMORS
 

 
(RTX 2080 got 10030 Graphics score in Time Spy) 
 
https://twitter.com/Video...us/1036261478695952384

arestavo
A 5 year NDA.
 
Controlling driver releases to reviewers?
 
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to." -HardOCP article that I linked.
 
It's shady as all get out and you know it.

Nvidia is going to release multiple cards within the next five years. They’re not going to create a new NDA every time they release a new series.

The thing to keep in mind, though with any, “leaks” we’ve been fed the past few months is the fact that 90% of them are false.
Regardless, HardOCP has been making NDA articles for months and the Nvidia NDA has already been confirmed to be a standard, non-suspicious NDA.

https://www.dsogaming.com...-be-positive-about-it/

Does the NDA for the 20XX cards expire on 9/14 or 9/20?  

Johnny_Utah
Does the NDA for the 20XX cards expire on 9/14 or 9/20?  

Only the people who signed the NDA were briefed on when they can release their reviews and impressions of the cards.

I am hoping and waiting for 2080 ti Kingpin

Johnny_Utah

TheParagonHero

Johnny_Utah
Does the NDA for the 20XX cards expire on 9/14 or 9/20?  

Only the people who signed the NDA were briefed on when they can release their reviews and impressions of the cards.

LOL so the end date of the NDA is a secret too?  Good grief.

It was the same with the 1080 announcement. Just last time, the announcement was closer to release. The 1080 was announced on May 6, 2016, but reviews weren’t allowed to be posted until May 17, then they were released May 27.

All these leaks are fake. The only ones with these cards wouldn’t risk violating an NDA by letting their scores get posted online. Especially if the scores weren’t showing true performance.

All those GTX 1180 in July 30 leaks got old real quick.

I feel like the only mistake Nvidia made this time was announce the cards too early, giving people too much time to negatively speculate.