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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 10:56:43 (permalink)
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 11:10:38 (permalink)
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I bought this card for two reasons dual bios and 9 sensors the former which will come in handy when we get a fix and the latter which I can only view with buggy software. 
Here's my proof the power limit doesn't go above 118%.
To be clear when furmark started it spiked but quickly leveled off well below 127
 



 
I thought Nvidia built in safety (power limits) FurMark (blacklisted)

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 13:46:48 (permalink)
What is more upsetting than the extra bit of OC we may be missing out on, is that there has been no reply from EVGA.
Not even "we have confirmed this issue and are working on it" 

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 14:07:05 (permalink)
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I bought this card for two reasons dual bios and 9 sensors the former which will come in handy when we get a fix and the latter which I can only view with buggy software. 
Here's my proof the power limit doesn't go above 118%.
To be clear when furmark started it spiked but quickly leveled off well below 127
 



 
I thought Nvidia built in safety (power limits) FurMark (blacklisted)


Yes.  Furmark is a very poor choice to use as a test to measure power usage to prove that something weird is going on.  Furmark is a bad choice because NVIDIA limits Furmark's power usage by some undocumented amount via some undocumented method and therefore weird and unpredictable power usage should be expected from Furmark tests.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 14:34:32 (permalink)
Emailed again, hopefully something soon.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 17:11:37 (permalink)
I should have kept my mouth shut. If any of you have Overwatch, that game will let you know instantly if any problems arise from flashing to FTW3 Hybrid to Elite. Again, I'm sorry for saying anything. Currently playing Destiny 2 with +76 on GPU and default on the RAM with Elite BIOS. Love you guys. I wouldn't have looked deeper without you. 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 21:20:39 (permalink)
I use Furmark for fast overclocking results, checking for artifacts and to compare with other post in this thread and done as recommended in this thread by others. I could careless if it's blacklisted.
 
I feel like I have been ripped off. This is not a knee jerk reaction as I will illustrate. I paid about 1/2 for my 1080Ti FE it clocks higher, has a better bios and gives me better bench results albeit marginally.
 
The issue isn't just Power Limit there are other problems with the bios as well.
 
The following bench results were done on two different machines running Superposition 1080P Extreme bench at default settings. I spent an entire day overclocking both cards to their max core and memory clocks. All running the same bench. Every group of setting that could pass the bench were benched 3 time in succession. System was restarted after every crash before proceeding. History for HWiNFO64 and MSI AB was cleared to reset Min. Max. & Avg. data moments before executing bench and results were logged from screen capture at the end of 3 successful runs. The sampling below is but a small part of the overall testing.
 
 
                                                                                            Superposition
                                                                                          1080P Extreme
                       HWiNFO64 Data                                                  Score                            MSI AB Data
 
              CV          PL           TL            CC           MC         FS                    P%      CC           MC         TL
1080Ti FE watercooled 
SET         +97      120         90           +210      +350      auto    1) 6277      9       139         405         28       MIN
MIN       .650v     7%          28c         139         405         0        2) 6287      99     2114       5859       48       MAX
MAX      1.081v   118%       48c         2114       5856       0         3) 6244     
AVG       .912v     68%        40c         1402       3154       0      Avg. 6269
 
1080 Ti FTW3 SLAVE BIOS ICX cooling
SET         Auto      127         90         +77       +98      Auto        1) 6276     
MIN       .650v      6%          29c        139         405        40%    2) 6247        5          139         405     29    MIN     
MAX      1.063v   106%        64c       2063       6102       78%     3) 6252      107       2063       6102    64    MAX
AVG       .955v     76%        59c        1624       4967       66     Avg. 6258
 
CV= core voltage PL= Power Limit TL=Temp Limit CC= Core Clock MC=Mem Clock FS=Fan Speed% P%=power %
 
All in red are problematic in their own way.
#1 max vcore is 1.081v on FE and only 1.063 on FTW3 even if I apply 100% Core Increase on AB and or Precision XOC.
#2 I get higher Power Limit on FE than I do on FTW3 on Normal or Slave Bios
#3 I get a higher stable Core Clock on my FE
#4 I get a higher average score from the FE
#5 There is no difference in bench score at my max clocks Slave vs Normal bios on the FTW3
 
I've been overclocking for 20 plus years. I'm no novice. Been water cooling nearly as long
I always start by testing default thoroughly with multiple benches synthetic and real world.
GPUs I test Core 1st and work it up slow until I see artifacts then back it off for benching where I work it up slowly until bench crashes and back it off again before I begin overclocking the memory where the process begins again. 
In all my years I have never had an EVGA GPU so tightly binned with so little head room. Look no further than my FE which out clocks the FTW3. I pray it's the bios which is obviously a dud.
What has kept me buying EVGA since the did away with lifetime warranty is there refined bios this is 120% out of character. 
 
FTW3

1080Ti FE

 
 
 
 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 22:03:21 (permalink)
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I use Furmark for fast overclocking results, checking for artifacts and to compare with other post in this thread and done as recommended in this thread by others. I could careless if it's blacklisted.
 
I feel like I have been ripped off. This is not a knee jerk reaction as I will illustrate. I paid about 1/2 for my 1080Ti FE it clocks higher, has a better bios and gives me better bench results albeit marginally.
 
The issue isn't just Power Limit there are other problems with the bios as well.
 
 



Furmark, is power throttled in the driver. And I'm surprised you didn't notice the significantly lower boost clocks it runs at. So, for stress testing for stability, it is kinda pointless. My typical gaming clocks are 2050-2075mhz. I don't think I can force Furmark to hit 2ghz. Of course there is obviously an issue with the BIOS. I hit peaks over 125% power all the time on my FE.

 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 22:21:53 (permalink)
@HeavyHemi You are 100% correct my only reason for using Furmark is scanning for artifacts and I used it here because several other posted their results with it and @Sajin illustrated how to use it so I did.
The Superposition 1080P extreme bench is pretty good though just not at getting the FTW3 above 105.5 PL in my testing with an expected 127 PL as advertised.
My FE had not trouble working as advertised and exceeded my expectations.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/26 22:59:52 (permalink)
Maybe you guys are forgetting the the fe don't have as large of a power delivery as the ftw3 or any other custom card.. so when you see a high power percentage its smaller then the ftw3.

Don't know off the top of my head but isint the fe with its 6+8 pin connections using like 250-275 watts compared to the ftw3 with its dual 8 pin that uses way more power?

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 01:34:10 (permalink)
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Maybe you guys are forgetting the the fe don't have as large of a power delivery as the ftw3 or any other custom card.. so when you see a high power percentage its smaller then the ftw3.

Don't know off the top of my head but isint the fe with its 6+8 pin connections using like 250-275 watts compared to the ftw3 with its dual 8 pin that uses way more power?

The FE has 250W stock and 300W at 120%.
The FTW3 has 280W stock and 327.6W at 117% or 355.6W at 127%
 
Multiple people have mentioned the power limit for the FTW3 does not go above 117%. Not 110% or 120% but 117% exactly which is too coincidental for it not to be related. 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 03:07:44 (permalink)
Man. Right when I’m about to buy the FTW3 Hybrid =( I hope they fix this soon. Holding off my purchase for now.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 04:27:02 (permalink)
EVGA emailed me this morning and said they needed a link to this post, so I provided one to them and informed them that this problem is getting more spread out by the day. We will see,
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 07:08:12 (permalink)
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Maybe you guys are forgetting the the fe don't have as large of a power delivery as the ftw3 or any other custom card.. so when you see a high power percentage its smaller then the ftw3.

Don't know off the top of my head but isint the fe with its 6+8 pin connections using like 250-275 watts compared to the ftw3 with its dual 8 pin that uses way more power?

The FE has 250W stock and 300W at 120%.
The FTW3 has 280W stock and 327.6W at 117% or 355.6W at 127%
 
Multiple people have mentioned the power limit for the FTW3 does not go above 117%. Not 110% or 120% but 117% exactly which is too coincidental for it not to be related. 


You can clearly see in my post above with the same load applied the FTW3 doesn't come close to 118% or 127% with either bios.


Below are the results after 3 consecutive runs of Superposition 1080P Extreme Bench with the normal bios (86.02.39.40.92). GPU power does not exceed 105.5% at any point and averages 75.1% AND IS IDENTICAL +/-1% TO THE SLAVE BIOS OUTPUT
Power draw doesn't exceed 300 watts if HWiNFO64 is to be trusted.
 

 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 07:16:01 (permalink)
There is enough documentation now to say that this problem exists in all FTW3 cards no matter if you have seen it, logged it, etc. What is troubling is that we are going on over 6 weeks with multiple owners stating this problem with only 1 test from EVGA. This is troubling not only from the problem standpoint but the sheer lack of customer support from EVGA. I really do not like to put it that way but it is what it is,
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 09:03:20 (permalink)
What's these other bios people are trying and will it work on a ftw3 elite card? Willing to try over the slave bios or can I flash them on the normal bios?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 10:00:33 (permalink)
Also while using the other bios does the clocks dance slot as in clocks move up and down every 1-2 seconds as normal on thr offical bios or are the clocks stable and just go down as the temp rises on the card as normal.. like every 4c of rise the clock drops a step??

Ive noticed from YouTube reviews of other non fe cards the clocks are stable while playing games.. while the clocks go up and down constantly on the ftw3, just like a founders edition card. :/

Strange.. just played cod iw in 4k maxed settings and it held my clocks stable at 2050mhz.. crazy.

Now it wasn't maxing out the card in usage. Only 80-95% if that has anything to do with it.

In firestrike benchmark it's all over the place as well as in bf1 in 4k.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 10:35:42 (permalink)
Got an email back a little while ago,
 
Hello,
 
Thank you for the link. We have informed out product management team in regards to this. They are fully aware and are currently looking into your concerns. If you have any concerns or further questions you may contact our Support Team at 888-881-3842 who are available 24/7.
 
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So, maybe something soon
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 11:23:42 (permalink)
Hey guys,
 
Sorry for the delay in updating on this. We have been working on this and will have an update soon.


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 11:24:56 (permalink)
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Hey guys,
 
Sorry for the delay in updating on this. We have been working on this and will have an update soon.




Awesome! That's what we wanted to hear.
 
Thank you.
 

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 11:27:19 (permalink)
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/27 19:54:00 (permalink)
Let me try this.
 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/28 04:10:02 (permalink)
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Hey guys,
 
Sorry for the delay in updating on this. We have been working on this and will have an update soon.


Thank goodness
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/30 18:10:10 (permalink)
Let's keep this at the top until we all hear something ,
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/31 00:48:34 (permalink)
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Let's keep this at the top until we all hear something ,


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/31 04:17:14 (permalink)
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Let's keep this at the top until we all hear something ,




I agree

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/10/31 13:24:38 (permalink)
Yep I sure hope there is a fix soon new bios or trade up if it wasn't already top of the food chain. No doubt they are working hard on it but I have witnessed similar issue in BF4 on my FE so this may well be a software related issue or a complicated issue of how it's supposed to work. For what every reason with everything maxed out I'm not seeing the power % hit anything over 105% when set to 120%. I got a feeling a well worded fix will come shortly something like the GTX970 issue. Hard to imagine it will sit well with most FTW3 owners if that's the case.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/11/01 00:01:49 (permalink)
I am an FTW3 owner and I look forward to an answer soon
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/11/04 10:34:17 (permalink)
Just in case anyone else is having this problem,
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/11/04 15:51:43 (permalink)
Is anyone not having the problem is a better question. I still haven''t seen a post where the FTW3 is living up to it's billing. MY FE draws the same amount of watts (300) with heavy load as the FTW3 on slave bios set to 127%. My FE clocks higher too. Not good! I get a higher Power% avg (118) on my FE than my FTW3 (107) also not good.

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