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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/27 18:37:25
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Another bogus report, the new drivers aren't doing anything different.
Still not exceeding 119 PL or 1.060 CV when I should be hitting 127 PL and 1.081 CV
Keep in mind that is peak PL & CV and the average is well below that.
I seriously doubt it miss reporting either based on results.
Drivers ain't gonna fix this.
If they could then how do you explain my FE hitting higher overclock and reporting higher PL & CV and better scores with the same drivers?
Since when are Nvidia drivers mutually exclusive to a brand or a specific card?
Stop the BS
This card is an engineering disaster all smoke and no fire.
Isn't it odd there is still no support for sensor data with Afterburner and Aida64 after 7 months?
I guess preparing the next big rip off is more important.
EVGA doesn't do sensor support for AIDA64... however ICX support was added. https://forums.aida64.com/topic/3880-evga-1080ti-sensors-evga-icx/ / I recall reading something over on GURU 3D about Unwinder working on something for the FTW support for Afterburner. I'd have to see what's the status of that. I still think this is a BIOS issue. I suspect that if they allow a higher power target on the GPU, they are going to end up with more RMA's because they based their stability testing for the FTW cards at a lower power target. That's just a theory though.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/27 18:50:03
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Another bogus report, the new drivers aren't doing anything different.
Still not exceeding 119 PL or 1.060 CV when I should be hitting 127 PL and 1.081 CV
Keep in mind that is peak PL & CV and the average is well below that.
I seriously doubt it miss reporting either based on results.
Drivers ain't gonna fix this.
If they could then how do you explain my FE hitting higher overclock and reporting higher PL & CV and better scores with the same drivers?
Since when are Nvidia drivers mutually exclusive to a brand or a specific card?
Stop the BS
This card is an engineering disaster all smoke and no fire.
Isn't it odd there is still no support for sensor data with Afterburner and Aida64 after 7 months?
I guess preparing the next big rip off is more important.
Keep it up, man. We need a fix because we've paid premium price for this card. If this FTW3 is beaten by a FE card, that's literally a joke.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/27 20:20:06
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And it would be the last time I buy an engineered evga card period.. next round will be maybe a evga fe card designed by nvidia or another brand.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/28 14:08:24
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What a disappointment this card has been... I even toughed out switching back to XOC to use this thing. The lack of comms, despite nvidia driver updates, leads me to think this will never be fixed.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/28 14:16:22
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What a disappointment this card has been...
I even toughed out switching back to XOC to use this thing.
The lack of comms, despite nvidia driver updates, leads me to think this will never be fixed.
EVGA bit the hand that fed them when they lost Unwinder writing Precision for them. On the other hand, it may have been inevitable as vendors locking in features into the software was becoming an issue. I decided to edit this so it made sense....Unwinder or Alexey Nicolaychuk who created RivaTuner was the author for Precision and is still the author of Afterburner.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/28 14:24:20
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Opolis
What a disappointment this card has been...
I even toughed out switching back to XOC to use this thing.
The lack of comms, despite nvidia driver updates, leads me to think this will never be fixed.
EVGA bit the hand that fed them when they lost Unwinder writing Precision for them. On the other hand, it may have been inevitable as vendors locking in features into the software was becoming an issue.
Yeah, I'm fully aware of that whole situation. I figured I'd splurge on the bells and whistles this time around with the 1080ti. With the Elite color misrepresentation and this issue, I honestly feel disappointed. This is coming from someone who has had great experience with EVGA customer service and uses almost everything "EVGA" these days. Afterburner FTW any day, though.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/30 18:32:39
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So no fix yet and all FTW3 cards affected including the Kingpin. Sajin I know you have Kingpin card so all three bios are power limited even LN2 bios which is to have no limit. So if other AIB partners can make power limit work properly , why is EVGA not fixing the problem with the bios. Thank you in advance for help
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/30 19:07:49
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Sajin I know you have Kingpin card so all three bios are power limited even LN2 bios which is to have no limit.
Yep, all three stock vbioses are power limited to 117-119%.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/30 19:17:14
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Thank you Sajin for the answer.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/31 14:16:50
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Thank you Sajin for the answer.
No problem.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 09:57:25
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Can evga further investigate this and check if there is a bios problem? I do not see other cards having this issue such as Asus.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 10:33:27
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Can evga further investigate this and check if there is a bios problem? I do not see other cards having this issue such as Asus.
Agree, the whole driver reporting issue sounds highly unlikely. First, performance at 127% max is the same as 117%. Second, did it ever work with any driver, I assume EVGA verified that card can hit 127% before releasing it to public, which driver version was used for that?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 14:27:12
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I personally have given up on any type of fix for this problem, because somewhere between Nvidia and EVGA this is dead in its tracks. Hell, I have my card on water now and it still caps at 119% with my gpu at 32 degrees on Superposition on 4k after 10 runs. I hope the best to the rest of you in your quest for answers, but sadly through my many years of life I have been down this road before. Good luck guys :)
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 15:25:00
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I personally have given up on any type of fix for this problem, because somewhere between Nvidia and EVGA this is dead in its tracks. Hell, I have my card on water now and it still caps at 119% with my gpu at 32 degrees on Superposition on 4k after 10 runs. I hope the best to the rest of you in your quest for answers, but sadly through my many years of life I have been down this road before. Good luck guys :)
Yeah I'd be shocked if we get this resolved. Or hear anything else from Evga on this topic..Once a company points blame at another company for the problem, it's doomed. Be pretty easy to start a thread at another forum asking people with other brand cards to run the tests and we know how that will turn out. Yes there all using the same nvidia chips, but evga has a power prob with there custom built cards that don't have nothing to do with nvidia drivers. Othrr custom made cards ftom other makers dont.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 19:57:50
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I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 20:54:26
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I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
Don't think so but ive used a Kill-A-Watt to test with using the 117% and 127% power settings.. no difference on load in stressful benchmarks.. and also compared benchmarks with both settings and no dice. Others have done the same.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 21:22:31
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I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
EVGA is already aware of what they sold us. It would only prove what we already know which is it didn't and likely never will live up to expectations. What's most concerning to me is that EVGA has lost credibility when it comes to producing a well engineered aftermarket GPU. If we are to believe the rhetoric from Jacob then EVGA has no control over drivers or bios therefore no resolve. Maybe more of the blame here lands on NVIDIA than any of it's board partners. Applish?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/03 22:06:18
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GGTV-Jon
I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
EVGA is already aware of what they sold us. It would only prove what we already know which is it didn't and likely never will live up to expectations. What's most concerning to me is that EVGA has lost credibility when it comes to producing a well engineered aftermarket GPU. If we are to believe the rhetoric from Jacob then EVGA has no control over drivers or bios therefore no resolve. Maybe more of the blame here lands on NVIDIA than any of it's board partners. Applish?
Wait is EVGA saying the issue is solved? Did I miss a post somewhere?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/04 02:35:44
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I got a new 1080ti FTW3 Gaming recently and immediately noticed that something was up with the power limit on the slave bios. I got a bit of hope when I found this thread that there would be a fix, but now having read most of it, it has become clear that there won't be a fix.
If I had know before I would have picked a different brand :/
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/04 05:01:03
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GGTV-Jon
I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
EVGA is already aware of what they sold us. It would only prove what we already know which is it didn't and likely never will live up to expectations. What's most concerning to me is that EVGA has lost credibility when it comes to producing a well engineered aftermarket GPU. If we are to believe the rhetoric from Jacob then EVGA has no control over drivers or bios therefore no resolve. Maybe more of the blame here lands on NVIDIA than any of it's board partners. Applish?
Wait is EVGA saying the issue is solved? Did I miss a post somewhere?
Not really solved. Jacob made a post a while back about it being a Nvidia driver issue and it will be corrected in a future driver but that doesn't seem plausible because other mfg's are not having a power issue, just EVGA. I'll be sticking with MSI for all my future components. I keep hearing about this legendary customer service but all we've been getting is the run around for the last five months.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/04 18:25:24
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owcraftsman
GGTV-Jon
I don't mean to arm chair this seeing how I don't currently own a pascal card and cannot do this myself - but has anyone actually sat down with a real amp meter and looked at the power draw and used their pinout dongle to see what the actual voltages were - did the math and compared it to what the software was reporting?
EVGA is already aware of what they sold us. It would only prove what we already know which is it didn't and likely never will live up to expectations. What's most concerning to me is that EVGA has lost credibility when it comes to producing a well engineered aftermarket GPU. If we are to believe the rhetoric from Jacob then EVGA has no control over drivers or bios therefore no resolve. Maybe more of the blame here lands on NVIDIA than any of it's board partners. Applish?
Wait is EVGA saying the issue is solved? Did I miss a post somewhere?
To be more clear. This card hit the test bench before the heat sink was designed for it. They've known exactly what they have way before it went to the market place. If they didn't what would that say about EVGA? This iteration was supposed to be an upgrade to fix problems users experienced with the FTW2 relating to the PWM section. Does anyone think they wouldn't have gone out of the way to get it right this time? Certainly they did. If it were Nvidia drivers then why are the K|NGP|N editions hitting +130 power target? And since when does Nvidia write the LN2 bios or other aftermarket EVGA cards for EVGA? Bogus on both accounts. Why would Nvidia's drivers get it right for the K|NGP|N edition and not the FTW3? ...again Bogus. I Can't say I will never buy another EVGA GPU because there customer service is great, I know from experience but thise guys are faced with an impossible task like they were with the 970's only difference is, that was more of a main stream card with millions of users and the FTW3 is a niche market at best. I'm not saying they don't care. I'm sure they do but, they can't afford to or at least it looks that way.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/04 18:36:49
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Kingpin is effected as well.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/05 00:01:24
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Kingpin is affected, but if you flash the special extreme bios that has been taken down there was no powerlimit. That proves to me at least, that it can be fixed with a bios. Now ask yourself why it has been taken down and no longer can be downloaded from the only link in the kingpin forum.
On the other hand: I've run quiet a few benchmark runs in timespy where in the second half of the graphics tests the clocks used to throttle hard in some parts of the run like from 2075 down to 1987 this is no longer the case! The clocks throttles way less maybe 2050 or 2037. I feel like there is also less throttleing due to heat. Before every 5-10°C it would step down 13Mhz, now the clocks are much more consistent and stay up at their max much better. Power is still not using it's full potential. This is btw on both a FTW3 12 Gbps and on a Kingpin.
Anyone else experiencing better clock stability? The only other thing that I changed besides the drivers is I swapped for thicker 16awg wires for the PSU that allow for more current and efficiency. But I kinda doubt these make that much of a difference. Might swap back and see if that changes it back to what it previously was.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/05 09:03:01
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Glad I got them when I did.. just gota get time soon to test those bios.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/08 12:05:35
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Anyone tried new 390 drivers maybe?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/11 00:48:19
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Anything new yet EVGA? Couple of drivers already released and no update at all.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/11 03:16:08
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Kingpin is affected, but if you flash the special extreme bios that has been taken down there was no powerlimit. That proves to me at least, that it can be fixed with a bios. Now ask yourself why it has been taken down and no longer can be downloaded from the only link in the kingpin forum.
On the other hand: I've run quiet a few benchmark runs in timespy where in the second half of the graphics tests the clocks used to throttle hard in some parts of the run like from 2075 down to 1987 this is no longer the case! The clocks throttles way less maybe 2050 or 2037. I feel like there is also less throttleing due to heat. Before every 5-10°C it would step down 13Mhz, now the clocks are much more consistent and stay up at their max much better. Power is still not using it's full potential. This is btw on both a FTW3 12 Gbps and on a Kingpin.
Anyone else experiencing better clock stability? The only other thing that I changed besides the drivers is I swapped for thicker 16awg wires for the PSU that allow for more current and efficiency. But I kinda doubt these make that much of a difference. Might swap back and see if that changes it back to what it previously was.
I've got an FE and used the XOC bios specifically for the FE which has no power or voltage limit (well 1.5v is effectively no limit) and at 1.2v I was able to sustain 2189MHz on the core with +750MHz on the memory. That got me to #46 in superposition, so changing the power limit with a BIOS is definitely possible. Nvidia lost the lawsuit over falsely advertising the memory capacity on the 970 so I'm surprised no-one has sued EVGA over this yet. Assuming you can only hit 117% and the cheapest FTW3 I can see is $790 then you're only getting $727.79 worth out of the card ((790/127)*117) so a rebate of around $62 would be in order.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/11 04:17:16
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Nvidia lost the lawsuit over falsely advertising the memory capacity on the 970 so I'm surprised no-one has sued EVGA over this yet. Assuming you can only hit 117% and the cheapest FTW3 I can see is $790 then you're only getting $727.79 worth out of the card ((790/127)*117) so a rebate of around $62 would be in order.
+1 Yeah.....i paid here in Portugal 899 euros ( not USD) for my card.... so i´m not happy with this situacion. A good refund/rebate would be welcome.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/11 04:22:06
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I know it has been a long time waiting but lets give them a chance to fix this before we send the lynch mob. 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/01/11 06:10:31
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I know it has been a long time waiting but lets give them a chance to fix this before we send the lynch mob.
And we have waited .... but there is no solution in sight. I paid a lot more to buy this card because it could increase power up to 127% Among other things. And the store did not have this card available , it was specially ordered for me (I waited almost 2 weeks for it). The store had a 1080Ti Strix from ASUS in stock around 800 euros but I opted for this 1080TI FTW3, for 899euros, and after all i paid for something that is not enabled when could have paid much less. Can you see why I'm disappointed?
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