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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/21 16:39:11
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EVGA_JacobF Update: We have made some progress on finding the root cause, and are currently investigating with NVIDIA. Will update again when have more details.
Hmm "root cause, investigating with NVIDIA", tbh reading those words in one sentence somehow concern me. I just hope that our FTW3s isn't being capped "intentionally" through their Drivers. Anyways, thank you for the update Jacob.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/21 17:58:09
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The root cause is in the BIOS file. There must be at least 2 places where the power limit (+127%) is determined in the bios file. One of them is read by software such as XOC, and the second value actually interacts with the hardware to allow the higher power limit. At the moment only the first value works correctly in the FTW3 Slave/OC bios. Also because the bios files are encrypted in Pascal (we can all shake our fist at Nvidia for this) very few people actually can access the bios files & fix this bug.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/21 19:37:27
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Edome Also because the bios files are encrypted in Pascal (we can all shake our fist at Nvidia for this) very few people actually can access the bios files & fix this bug.
That's troubling to say the least. The whole "lay off the BIOS" approach by Nvidia might backfire.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/22 15:50:24
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I think it's more than bios and has a bunch to do with NV Boost 3.0.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/23 12:21:08
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The weird thing about this is my EVGA 1080 Ti FE, hits 127% under load when I run benches.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/23 12:35:39
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HeavyHemi The weird thing about this is my EVGA 1080 Ti FE, hits 127% under load when I run benches.
Lets see your superposition 8k optimized test. e.g.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/24 19:05:32
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I got my card yesterday, are we talking about Hybrid ftw3 here? My power target is 117% - and I get a clockspeed of 2063mhz, are you saying I should be able to get a higher target and a higher clock? I noticed my voltage doesn't hit 1.093 like my Gaming X did even though my voltage slider is full. I've read about 8 pages, but I gotta go to bed, is there anything I can do to get the higher power target yet (that is easy and safe) or should I be waiting :D thx!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/24 19:17:44
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Just wait for the official fix.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/24 19:18:52
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Sajin Just wait for the official fix.
Sweet, cheers for the response!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/25 16:54:29
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HeavyHemi The weird thing about this is my EVGA 1080 Ti FE, hits 127% under load when I run benches.
Lets see your superposition 8k optimized test. e.g.

Here ya go...cleared then ran Superposition
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/27 11:06:40
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HeavyHemi The weird thing about this is my EVGA 1080 Ti FE, hits 127% under load when I run benches.
Lets see your superposition 8k optimized test. e.g.

Here ya go...cleared then ran Superposition
For what i know FE cards have 250w powerlimit, so 127% is 317,5W and a FTW3 should have 280W, so at 117% means 327,6 W... Still not the 358 it should reach at 128%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/27 12:59:50
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HeavyHemi The weird thing about this is my EVGA 1080 Ti FE, hits 127% under load when I run benches.
Lets see your superposition 8k optimized test. e.g.

Here ya go...cleared then ran Superposition
For what i know FE cards have 250w powerlimit, so 127% is 317,5W and a FTW3 should have 280W, so at 117% means 327,6 W... Still not the 358 it should reach at 128%
The highest peak power I've seen is 130%. Typical benches when I'm at +200 on the core and +800 on the memory bounce around 115% to 127% consistently...which is kinda strange for default FE BIOS. I did flash the XOC BIOS awhile back for giggles. It causes some fan issues and I didn't gain anything using it. BTW the power limit percentages are based on default power draw. Meaning FE cards have 120% increased power target from the default 250 watts and the FTW is supposed to be 127% over the 250 watt default power draw.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/27 13:25:31
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HeavyHemi BTW the power limit percentages are based on default power draw. Meaning FE cards have 120% increased power target from the default 250 watts and the FTW is supposed to be 127% over the 250 watt default power draw.
Default power limit is VBIOS specific, I've seen values like 250W (FE & many others like Aorus, Strix non-OC), 280W (MSI & FTW3), 300W (Kingpin), 320W(Amp Extreme) & 360W (ArticStorm).
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 18:21:28
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HeavyHemi BTW the power limit percentages are based on default power draw. Meaning FE cards have 120% increased power target from the default 250 watts and the FTW is supposed to be 127% over the 250 watt default power draw.
Default power limit is VBIOS specific, I've seen values like 250W (FE & many others like Aorus, Strix non-OC), 280W (MSI & FTW3), 300W (Kingpin), 320W(Amp Extreme) & 360W (ArticStorm).
Yes and this is the whole point of the thread and why we are calling for a fix which is well past due.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 19:44:44
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My point was that FTW3 power limit is 280W + 28% with the slider = 358W (up to 17% working atm) while the FE is 250W + 20% with the slider = 300W. Notice that the slider maxed out misses a few watts: 280*1.17 = 327,6W. Run "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvidia-smi.exe" -pl 330 in admin cmd to fix this.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 20:02:20
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Edome My point was that FTW3 power limit is 280W + 28% with the slider = 358W (up to 17% working atm) while the FE is 250W + 20% with the slider = 300W. Notice that the slider maxed out misses a few watts: 280*1.17 = 327,6W. Run "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvidia-smi.exe" -pl 330 in admin cmd to fix this.
does this fix the power limit issue? why not -pl 358
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 20:28:51
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OK I've got some good news and bad news. Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate. I flashed the FTW3 slave bios to my Palit 1080ti and by running 8K optimized Superposition benchmark, I'm hitting up to 128% of power limit. Notice the max Total GPU Power (normalized) is 126,9% (of 280W) = 355W. A question for FTW3 owners, does Afterburner in the main screen show "FTW3 EG" for you too as shown below? Full-size image: https://i.imgur.com/GxWnZBj.jpg
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 20:34:12
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Edome OK I've got some good news and bad news. Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA either has to either replace them all or give a small rebate. I flashed the FTW3 slave bios to my Palit 1080ti and by running 8K optimized Superposition benchmark, I'm hitting up to 128% of power limit.
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What?? ............ :/
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 20:42:11
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Edome Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 21:21:10
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Edome A question for FTW3 owners, does Afterburner in the main screen show "FTW3 EG" for you too as shown below? That "FTW3 EG" only shows up for the FTW3 ELITE GAMING cards. Im not sure about this but i think the FTW3 ELITE has a different bios than the other FTW3 cards.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/11/28 21:49:26
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AFAlFouzan That "FTW3 EG" only shows up for the FTW3 ELITE GAMING cards. Im not sure about this but i think the FTW3 ELITE has a different bios than the other FTW3 cards.
Thanks for the clarification. This was the BIOS I used: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/192777/evga-gtx1080ti-11264-170511 An FTW3 owner could check if this bios increases the power limit by setting power limit to 128%, core voltage to maximum and running 8K upscaled superposition benchmark to see if the GPU1 power % goes above 120% in AB.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 11:43:19
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Edome Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate.

Replying to you here as I didn't want to PM/open another thread. I actually haven't touched my BIOS switch, it's only just clicked in my head that there is a switch, should I be trying the other bios? Currently stable at 2063mhz and the +500memory clock (can't remember exact figure what that takes it to). Is using the other bios likely to make any difference? Is it simply open my case and move the switch or do I have to do it when the PC is off etc. Cheers
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 11:50:32
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Edome Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate.

Replying to you here as I didn't want to PM/open another thread. I actually haven't touched my BIOS switch, it's only just clicked in my head that there is a switch, should I be trying the other bios? Currently stable at 2063mhz and the +500memory clock (can't remember exact figure what that takes it to).
Is using the other bios likely to make any difference? Is it simply open my case and move the switch or do I have to do it when the PC is off etc. Cheers
Do it with pc off.. to make sure it works you need to unplug the pc from the wall.. then hold the power button on the pc for 30 secs to fully drain any remaining power from the system. Then open the case and flip the bios switch on the card and then plug it back into the wall and power up. You may need to reinstall pxoc if it don't show the 128% power/90 temp at max on the sliders.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 12:02:02
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Edome Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate.

Replying to you here as I didn't want to PM/open another thread. I actually haven't touched my BIOS switch, it's only just clicked in my head that there is a switch, should I be trying the other bios? Currently stable at 2063mhz and the +500memory clock (can't remember exact figure what that takes it to).
Is using the other bios likely to make any difference? Is it simply open my case and move the switch or do I have to do it when the PC is off etc. Cheers
Do it with pc off.. to make sure it works you need to unplug the pc from the wall.. then hold the power button on the pc for 30 secs to fully drain any remaining power from the system.
Then open the case and flip the bios switch on the card and then plug it back into the wall and power up.
You may need to reinstall pxoc if it don't show the 128% power/90 temp at max on the sliders.
I assume by unplugging it from wall, removing the cable from the PSU is enough? (pain in the ass to get to my wallsockets cause theyre covered slightly, lol). Is it likely to make any difference to my overclock? And to go back to the normal bios, just repeat steps and flip switch back?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 12:14:48
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ritchiedrama I assume by unplugging it from wall, removing the cable from the PSU is enough? (pain in the ass to get to my wallsockets cause theyre covered slightly, lol). Is it likely to make any difference to my overclock? And to go back to the normal bios, just repeat steps and flip switch back?
Unplugging from the psu is fine. Yes, repeat steps to go back. It'll make a difference to your clocks if you're in a power target limited situation.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 12:17:37
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Thanks boys. Might try it later then. My clock just sits at 2063, never moves, so I'm guessing more power limit won't help and it'd just crash anyway if I went higher, but I can test it I guess!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 12:23:39
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ritchiedrama Thanks boys. Might try it later then. My clock just sits at 2063, never moves, so I'm guessing more power limit won't help and it'd just crash anyway if I went higher, but I can test it I guess!
Yes.. sorry pull the plug from the back of the psu. Just easier to understand when saying pull the plug from the wall. Won't know till you try!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 13:13:54
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Edome Good news is that the FTW3 128% (358w) limit works in the slave bios correctly (86.02.39.01.90). The bad news is that it doesn't work in FTW3 cards, so I'm afraid EVGA has to either replace them all or give a small rebate.

Replying to you here as I didn't want to PM/open another thread. I actually haven't touched my BIOS switch, it's only just clicked in my head that there is a switch, should I be trying the other bios? Currently stable at 2063mhz and the +500memory clock (can't remember exact figure what that takes it to).
Is using the other bios likely to make any difference? Is it simply open my case and move the switch or do I have to do it when the PC is off etc. Cheers
To answer your previous question. One BIOS (master) has a 117% power limit on the slider. The other (Slave) has a 127% power limit. You shouldn't be able to go over 117% on the master BIOS. As a side note, didn't they rename the BIOSes or was that for something else?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 13:24:35
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Dang. Any update EVGA please? It’s already December. I’m sure you guys will be going out for holidays very soon. We need this fix. Thanks.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2017/12/01 23:26:19
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Luigi408 Dang. Any update EVGA please? It’s already December. I’m sure you guys will be going out for holidays very soon. We need this fix. Thanks.
Umm yeah.. after Edome's comment i'd really like some kind of update from evga!
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