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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/05 05:20:20 (permalink)
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That "FTW3 EG" only shows up for the FTW3 ELITE GAMING cards.
Im not sure about this but i think the FTW3 ELITE has a different bios than the other FTW3 cards.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
This was the BIOS I used: 
 
An FTW3 owner could check if this bios increases the power limit by setting power limit to 128%, core voltage to maximum and running 8K upscaled superposition benchmark to see if the GPU1 power % goes above 120% in AB.


I've tried the same exact bios on my evga 1080ti sc2 hybrid card, power usage was max 110% at about 300w with some peaks at 308 i have no clue on what is going on with this power limit thing, it's all over the place.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/05 09:29:46 (permalink)
Hey Jacob, any updates from EVGA or Nvidia as of yet?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/05 12:03:10 (permalink)
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else who has an EVGA 1080 Ti FE regularly hit 127%+ power while benching?

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/06 18:49:06 (permalink)
I ended up trying the slave bios (still on it) - it made no difference to my overclock, couldn't get it any higher still.
 
Am I okay to just remain on the slave bios, like is there any negative?? Too lazy to take side of my case off, again, lol.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/06 18:56:48 (permalink)
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I ended up trying the slave bios (still on it) - it made no difference to my overclock, couldn't get it any higher still.
 
Am I okay to just remain on the slave bios, like is there any negative?? Too lazy to take side of my case off, again, lol.


Nope! I always roll with the slave bios! Flipped before first install and will remain there permanently.

Only negative would be if one wanted a total silent card with no fans run ing till it's almost too late as I think the fans start on master bios around 50-60c.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/06 19:24:29 (permalink)
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I ended up trying the slave bios (still on it) - it made no difference to my overclock, couldn't get it any higher still.
 
Am I okay to just remain on the slave bios, like is there any negative?? Too lazy to take side of my case off, again, lol.


Nope! I always roll with the slave bios! Flipped before first install and will remain there permanently.

Only negative would be if one wanted a total silent card with no fans run ing till it's almost too late as I think the fans start on master bios around 50-60c.



My fan don't spin on the card at all (ftw3 hybrid) even on the slave bios, until 40c then they start (same as master bios for me).

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/06 22:39:36 (permalink)
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I ended up trying the slave bios (still on it) - it made no difference to my overclock, couldn't get it any higher still.

Am I okay to just remain on the slave bios, like is there any negative?? Too lazy to take side of my case off, again, lol.


Nope! I always roll with the slave bios! Flipped before first install and will remain there permanently.

Only negative would be if one wanted a total silent card with no fans run ing till it's almost too late as I think the fans start on master bios around 50-60c.



My fan don't spin on the card at all (ftw3 hybrid) even on the slave bios, until 40c then they start (same as master bios for me).




Oh ok.. 2nd time ive read that tonight.. earlier from a FTW2 user. Must be the new way there programing it.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 13:39:32 (permalink)
The current situation seems to be pretty interesting:
 
FTW3 slave bios on FTW3 cards is bugged, power limit above 117-120% doesn't work.
FTW3 slave bios on non-evga 1080Ti works correctly.
Non-Evga 350w+ bios (such as palit/zotac) works on FTW3 to reach the higher power limit.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 15:12:05 (permalink)
Seriously? Links please? Links to someone testing if possable.. ftw3 fans don't matter to me since I'm using a ek block. Just hope one can do +1000 on the men to get 13k.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 15:18:49 (permalink)
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Seriously? Links please? Links to someone testing if possable.. ftw3 fans don't matter to me since I'm using a ek block. Just hope one can do +1000 on the men to get 13k.

I can, without side panel and opened window when there is -3*C outside :D
Air cooled FTW3 with XOC BIOS btw...
 
https://imgur.com/a/2Mcst
 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 15:21:27 (permalink)
Ok.. do you need to reinstall the drivers when you flash the bios or no?

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 15:51:56 (permalink)
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Seriously? Links please?

I've tested the first two.
 
Anyone with FTW3 can confirm the following temporary fix is working?
 
Flash this Palit 350W bios on your slave bios, set voltage +100% & power target +140% (= 350W) and run 8K optimized superposition.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/193137/193137
 
During the benchmark power % should easily go above 132%, which on this bios (100% power target = 250W vs FTW3's 280W) equals to the 330W limit of FTW3 master bios.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 16:17:05 (permalink)
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Seriously? Links please?

I've tested the first two.
 
Anyone with FTW3 can confirm the following temporary fix is working?
 
Flash this Palit 350W bios on your slave bios, set voltage +100% & power target +140% (= 350W) and run 8K optimized superposition.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/193137/193137
 
During the benchmark power % should easily go above 132%, which on this bios (100% power target = 250W vs FTW3's 280W) equals to the 330W limit of FTW3 master bios.




Hi,  Just wondering if I flash the Palit bios onto my FTW3 will I then be able to control fans using MSI AB synchronously?  not concerned if I can't control them separately as noise isn't a problem for me
post edited by dual109 - 2017/12/08 18:42:58
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 16:21:46 (permalink)
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Seriously? Links please?

I've tested the first two.
 
Anyone with FTW3 can confirm the following temporary fix is working?
 
Flash this Palit 350W bios on your slave bios, set voltage +100% & power target +140% (= 350W) and run 8K optimized superposition.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/193137/193137
 
During the benchmark power % should easily go above 132%, which on this bios (100% power target = 250W vs FTW3's 280W) equals to the 330W limit of FTW3 master bios.


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 16:43:53 (permalink)
Flashing to another vbios such as the xoc vbios will resolve the issue, but others are looking for an official fix from evga.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 19:08:22 (permalink)
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Flashing to another vbios such as the xoc vbios will resolve the issue, but others are looking for an official fix from evga.




I have one of the FTW3's with the 12 GHz memory chip.  Will there be any issues using one of these other BIOS's with that different chip?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 19:14:30 (permalink)
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Flashing to another vbios such as the xoc vbios will resolve the issue, but others are looking for an official fix from evga.




I have one of the FTW3's with the 12 GHz memory chip.  Will there be any issues using one of these other BIOS's with that different chip?


Another vbios should work fine, but your memory will get clocked down to 11 GHz from running a 11 GHz vbios.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 19:20:14 (permalink)
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Another vbios should work fine, but your memory will get clocked down to 11 GHz from running a 11 GHz vbios.




Gotcha.  I figured that would happen and I could just clock it back up, just wasn't sure if there would be any compatibility problems.  Worst case can always flash back but figured I could go ahead and ask first and save myself a headache if there were known issues.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/08 19:26:06 (permalink)
Yep, you can always flash back if something happens since the ftw3 comes with 2 vbioses. Let us know how it works out for you if you choose to flash another vbios.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 00:23:28 (permalink)
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Flashing to another vbios such as the xoc vbios will resolve the issue, but others are looking for an official fix from evga.

XOC bios is special because power & voltage limits are removed altogether.
 
If flashing a non-xoc bios doesn't work, then the issue can not be solved with a new bios by Evga.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 00:27:16 (permalink)
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Hi,  Just wondering if I flash the Palit bios onto my FTW3 will I then be able to control fans using MSI AB synchronously?  not concerned if I can't control them separately as noise isn't a problem for me

You can probably control only the GPU fan and the power & memory fans will be on auto.


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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 00:39:46 (permalink)
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Flashing to another vbios such as the xoc vbios will resolve the issue, but others are looking for an official fix from evga.

XOC bios is special because power & voltage limits are removed altogether.
 
If flashing a non-xoc bios doesn't work, then the issue can not be solved with a new bios by Evga.

My kingpin hits the same 117-120% limit when running the stock oc vbios on the card. Running the extreme watercooling oc vbios fixes the issue. See post #253 in this thread for details.

Evga can fix the issue with a vbios update.
post edited by Sajin - 2017/12/09 00:50:15
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 01:06:07 (permalink)
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My kingpin hits the same 117-120% limit when running the stock oc vbios on the card. Running the extreme watercooling oc vbios fixes the issue. See post #253 in this thread for details.

Evga can fix the issue with a vbios update.

Then this is probably what's happening here:
 
Evga vbios has 2 different locations where the power limit is written.
On Evga slave bios only the first location has the 127% limit written correctly, Evga forgot to update the second location from 117->127% (or 120%->130% for the kingpin OC/LN2 bios).
Non-Evga cards read only the first location and thus work correctly with the higher limit.
Evga cards read from both locations and thus do not work with the higher limit.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 01:19:06 (permalink)
But then again, if other non-xoc vbios such as the Palit works on FTW3/Kingpin (Sajin could you test?) then Evga cards do not need both locations to work. 
 
Edit: If the following is true:
1) All 1080ti vbios have the power limit written to both locations but only Evga cards read both of them.
2) Only Evga vbios have the value in the second location written incorrectly.
 
Then the issue is explained.
 
Edit: The above is not true, only the unofficial XOC bios can currently remove power limits on FTW3.
post edited by Edome - 2017/12/09 06:23:35
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 03:43:11 (permalink)
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Ok.. do you need to reinstall the drivers when you flash the bios or no?

It is definitely recommended



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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 05:20:18 (permalink)
I gave the Palit vbios a shot and attached are my limits when running the 8k superposition.

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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 05:56:23 (permalink)
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I gave the Palit vbios a shot and attached are my limits when running the 8k superposition.

What was your max voltage during the run?
 
Any difference in the results with power target @ 132% vs 140% ?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 06:08:48 (permalink)
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What was your max voltage during the run?
 
Any difference in the results with power target @ 132% vs 140% ?




I have not tried dropping power limit to 132, voltage only got to 1040-1050 during the test.
Will update when I drop power and rerun.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 06:29:46 (permalink)
Then unfortunately it seems FTW3 power limit above 330W can only be achieved with the XOC bios or with a new bios issued by Evga.
 
Let's hope the latter is technically possible.
The FTW3 PCB should be similar enough for other cards' vbios to raise the power limit, so this issue seems very weird especially as the slave bios correctly works on non-evga cards.
 
Attached is my 8k superposition run on the 350W Palit bios on non-evga card. Power target & voltage slider maximized.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% 2017/12/09 08:57:33 (permalink)
Yeah I ended up flashing back to the EVGA vbios.  Performance in games seemed jittery with the Palit vbios.
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