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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/07/18 23:54:31 (permalink)
If they would hit the DT version with the power draw similar to the FE, I would buy it as an extra silent option.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/07/19 11:36:01 (permalink)
For so reason I can't quote a post so I will just post this with reference # to the post I want to quote it's # 21. You where saying that the FTW DT would probably still have the FTW top label. But it doesn't if you look at the pic's on the FTW DT page it shows that top of the card and is DOESN'T have FTW on the top labeling just a FYI for everyone. So I believe EVGA is not miss representing the branding of this card. I feel this type of marketing is just fine. This card would be great for someone that really doesn't want to overclock their card and still want the RGB lighting. I would buy it if the frigging card was in stock. Nvidia's paper launch made a mess of things!! They should have never launched any products until the partner manufactures and themselves had large quantities in stock. This would have stopped the price wars and made the release a lot better for all just MHO. Later......Stevebit
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/07/24 16:42:15 (permalink)
I don't see this as shady either, it's actually a pretty good business move, I mean what would you do with some ftw cards that work fine just didn't pass the ftw test ? throw them out or sell them at a reduced price and still make some money. Not to mention EVGA are making it pretty clear they are DT versions. Your missing out on maybe a few fps compared to the ftw, your still getting the same warranty, same support, and can still return it if your one of those retards who can't read. Id say these cards are for customers who dont care about overclocking but still want the other things the ftw has to offer. Also if you look at the pictures of the ftw dt it doesn't say ftw, but of course there is always people who don't actually look at things before they buy.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/03 22:32:10 (permalink)
Balls. I saw an ad for EVGA 1080 FTW, or so I thought. My eyes stopped there, as they did on newegg's store page. Wasn't until after they sent it out that I got the e-mail and realized then it was a FTW 'DT'. I feel so gyped.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/03 23:47:28 (permalink)
Hopefully you returned it and got a Ftw with no DT :)

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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 09:04:12 (permalink)
I pre-ordered from a retailer the (08G-P4-6286), but it's still not in stock.  Now they have the (08G-P4-6284) in stock.
 
Other than the base/boost clock, what is the difference?  Does the non-DT version (08G-P4-6286) have better silicon/overclocking potential?  Can anyone confirm this.  I need to make an order within 4 hours!
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 09:33:27 (permalink)
Hello Tobaruses, and welcome to the forums! The FTW DT doesn't have any FTW labeling, or the FTW clockspeed; instead it's reference. Those should be the only differences.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 09:47:01 (permalink)
Thanks for the super quick reply Brandon!
 
Are you able to say if the FTW (08G-P4-6286) is more overclock-able (I don't mean the factory shipped clocks, but from tinkering afterwards)? ie - does it have superior silicon?  (I laughed when I typed that).  To further clarify my question, for example does EVGA sell batches that are stable at higher clock speeds as FTW (08G-P4-6286), as apposed to the ones that are not stable are marked as DT (08G-P4-6284)?
 
I realize my warranty will be void (to be blunt, it doesn't matter), but everything will be liquid cooled anyways, so I really could care less about stock cooling, factory clocks, etc - just overclocking potential.
 
Am I setting myself up for failure when buying the DT (08G-P4-6284) vs the FTW (08G-P4-6286)?
 
I realize where I'm going with this question, but any and every bit of information is greatly appreciated!!
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 09:49:53 (permalink)
The FTW DT is a card that wasn't able to run stably at the voltage and clock speed the FTW requires, so it may or may not overclock as well; unfortunately we're unable to say for sure. One thing to keep in mind: overclocking the card will not void your warranty, unless you physically modify it, nor will replacing the stock heatsink with a waterblock. Simply make sure to keep the stock HS and put it back on the card if you need warranty service. 
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 10:08:49 (permalink)
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The FTW DT is a card that wasn't able to run stably at the voltage and clock speed the FTW requires, so it may or may not overclock as well; unfortunately we're unable to say for sure. One thing to keep in mind: overclocking the card will not void your warranty, unless you physically modify it, nor will replacing the stock heatsink with a waterblock. Simply make sure to keep the stock HS and put it back on the card if you need warranty service. 




Fantastic, nice to hear it officially!  Thanks Brandon
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 10:11:26 (permalink)
Yeah, go for the full FTW, or you'll be like me, wishing you had waited a bit longer, and vainly hoping the FTW (or hybrid) will be added to step up. lol
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 11:07:26 (permalink)
How are you unable to say for sure? Do you guys not have a dozens of examples, or do forum guys not get any actual info about what matters most? I'd totally be fine to know that the FTW DT I ordered by mistake could only reach 2050 MHz core instead of the regular 2075-2100. That's only 1 or 2 frames difference. But if I can only go 2GHz, when the FTW 1070 can easily do 2075, I will be so disappointed.

I mean, I could return it before opening it. But I wonder how much that'll end up costing myself in shipping.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 11:32:48 (permalink)
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How are you unable to say for sure? Do you guys not have a dozens of examples, or do forum guys not get any actual info about what matters most? I'd totally be fine to know that the FTW DT I ordered by mistake could only reach 2050 MHz core instead of the regular 2075-2100. That's only 1 or 2 frames difference. But if I can only go 2GHz, when the FTW 1070 can easily do 2075, I will be so disappointed.

I mean, I could return it before opening it. But I wonder how much that'll end up costing myself in shipping.


look roy10266 i understand your frustration and wishing to get a straight answer but please understand...
FTW DT are cards that were unable to pass true FTW quality control (they were unstable at true FTW speeds i guess because of a lower quality silicon lottery) FTW DT can or can not clock well. (no way to know for sure until tested but no way in hell it will be a true FTW. (i call them : Don't Take)i wouldn't take that chance and would go for a higher quality card like True FTW.
 
if i was in your feet i would return the DT and buy the real FTW card to have peace of mind. (but that's my personal opinion)
 
i can understand that returning the card and waiting for the card you really want will take time, but it will be worth it at the end.
 
the FTW DT is referance speed GPU chip with custom PCB + rgb lightning. that's about it.
if you don't care about gpu speed or RGB you can just buy ACX card with stock clocks but with a better cooler then FE.
they will work the same. you will save a bit of cash going ACX.
at the end it's your choice.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 11:38:10 (permalink)
I have to agree, I wouldn't risk, or trust the DT model to reach FTW clock speeds before something wonky starts happening, (artifacts in games) if you want FTW clock speeds, get a real FTW model.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/04 11:59:03 (permalink)
Glad you have the option to return it, Newegg doesn't allow for returns for that... Wonder if it'd be worth contacting EVGA customer support to see if anything could be done... hmm.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/05 20:53:59 (permalink)
I unknowingly bought the DT thinking it was the FTW based on previous branding. I would have been concerned, but I know from experience that many of these cards are paced out on the pricing scheme due to tiny variations in performance. Most of these tiny variations are attributed to slight bios overclocks such as allowing for more voltage. Basically I went in knowing that I was going to modify the bios no matter what, so I just wanted the best value card, phases etc. So, I get the card, plug it in, turn on kboost via evga's software, and the card boosts to what it says sure, but then I overclock it to 2050mhz. It has passed every benchmark I have thrown at it so far at 2050mhz with a +415 mem offset. Keep in mind, the voltage has never really reached 1090, and I monitor it while I play and bench. I used to run my world record 970s are 1.28volts on air. This means there is a ton of room for voltage, especially since when I am gaming I am really only seeing like 65c max on 60% fans, usually hovering around 60c. So, although I am sure evga has run a gauntlet of tests, I can't say that it truly amounts to much in the end, whether I bench at 2000mhz or 2050mhz, the scores are fairly identical. If you consider yourself a real overclocker, get in the bios and up the voltage limit with the pascal tweaker comes out, thats where the real value is; not in spending 679, 700, 710, 750 dollars on something that gets 3 better frames per second on similar gimped bios. For what its worth, I have seen a lot of youtubers having trouble hitting 2100 in all applications, founders or not, now consider that may be a voltage problem. If you open gpu-z and turn your eyes to the sensors you will see that the performance is voltage capped, meaning if there was more volts fed to the card it would perform better, it is not yet hitting its potential. For instance, when I upped the voltage on my 970s to 1.28, with kboost they automatically clocked at 1500mhz, and from there I overclcocked about 70 more. My point is, if you got a FTW DT, if you are eyeing one in stock right now and considering if you should pass it up; from my personal experience, I don't think you should. These cards are hard to come by in stock, and you NEED that evga software to get good overclocking and OSD elements, any other program is tedious and lacking. 
 
TLDR Get the FTW DT, OC to 2050, be happy with 200 fps instead of 200.13
 
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/06 00:57:48 (permalink)
Just an update, the FTW DT model is now $20 more than before, went from $649.99 to 669.99, so the full FTW is only $10 more now. Still, whatever you can get that's instock was the reason I got my DT, and it won't really have much affect on FPS I know, but if you like benchmark or compare clocks, the full FTW might be an option, even more now with the smaller price difference.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/08 23:19:40 (permalink)
I own a 1080 FTW DT, and it somewhat of a disaster. If you plan on overclocking, I would recommend the real FTW, or buying a classy. ( upgraded from my old 980 classified). The 1080 FTW DT does manage to run at a stable 1886mhz which is good, but I have not been able to push mine past that. I have also noticed higher temperatures, and noise compared to what I am used to. 
 
I feel as if this card simply failed the silicon lottery, but at least can do somewhat of a nice boost although running at 67C @ 70+% fan speed.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/13 11:43:30 (permalink)
What does the DT in the FTW DT stand for?
 
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/13 11:50:19 (permalink)
Brimy, it means down tuned. It runs at Nvidia stock clocks.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/13 13:20:07 (permalink)
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Brimy, it means down tuned. It runs at Nvidia stock clocks.

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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/13 15:25:09 (permalink)
As an update, my card now runs stable at 2088MHz core. It may still be limited, but performs very well under load. I also got it for $660, which is way better than the inflated prices of other cards.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/16 19:07:32 (permalink)
I purchased a GTX 1070 FTW DT and I thought It may be helpful to share my experience.  I understand you guys are talking about the 1080, but it should be a similar story.  You can disregard if you please.  Let me also preface by saying take this with a grain of salt, since my results could be unique, and also my main reason for buying the FTW DT version was to a non-blower design at a reasonable price (it was on sale at the time) and also because overclocking is not one of my priorities for my machine.
 
Anyway factory settings are base clock of 1506MHz and a boost of 1683MHz.  Out of the box, I was getting between 1898MHz and 1873MHz without doing anything.  It just ran that way.  Then I decided to do a modest overclock with EVGA Precision.  After some testing, I set a +500MHz on the memory and a +150MHz on the GPU clock. I had heard that was about what people were achieving.  I set the Thermal and power target to max and set the fan at 90% for testing purposes.  These settings are stable.  Final result is a steady clock of right around 2050-2000MHz, depending on the load.  Of course your results may vary.  I do still think like people have said that this is the perfect excuse to sell FTWs that may not meet a spec, but I am very satisfied with my results.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/16 21:58:10 (permalink)
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I purchased a GTX 1070 FTW DT and I thought It may be helpful to share my experience.  I understand you guys are talking about the 1080, but it should be a similar story.  You can disregard if you please.  Let me also preface by saying take this with a grain of salt, since my results could be unique, and also my main reason for buying the FTW DT version was to a non-blower design at a reasonable price (it was on sale at the time) and also because overclocking is not one of my priorities for my machine.
 
Anyway factory settings are base clock of 1506MHz and a boost of 1683MHz.  Out of the box, I was getting between 1898MHz and 1873MHz without doing anything.  It just ran that way.  Then I decided to do a modest overclock with EVGA Precision.  After some testing, I set a +500MHz on the memory and a +150MHz on the GPU clock. I had heard that was about what people were achieving.  I set the Thermal and power target to max and set the fan at 90% for testing purposes.  These settings are stable.  Final result is a steady clock of right around 2050-2000MHz, depending on the load.  Of course your results may vary.  I do still think like people have said that this is the perfect excuse to sell FTWs that may not meet a spec, but I am very satisfied with my results.


I for one appreciate your review because i too am looking to get a 1070. You get those OC clocks with a SC card too and it is cheaper, sometimes. Over the weekend i saw the 1070 FTW DT for $429.99 and for that price is is worth it IMO, it is currently $439.99 while the SC is $429.99.
 
If the 1070 FTW DT comes back down to $429.99 i will purchase one, if not then i'll get the SC.
 
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/20 12:01:00 (permalink)
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I unknowingly bought the DT thinking it was the FTW based on previous branding. I would have been concerned, but I know from experience that many of these cards are paced out on the pricing scheme due to tiny variations in performance. Most of these tiny variations are attributed to slight bios overclocks such as allowing for more voltage. Basically I went in knowing that I was going to modify the bios no matter what, so I just wanted the best value card, phases etc. So, I get the card, plug it in, turn on kboost via evga's software, and the card boosts to what it says sure, but then I overclock it to 2050mhz. It has passed every benchmark I have thrown at it so far at 2050mhz with a +415 mem offset. Keep in mind, the voltage has never really reached 1090, and I monitor it while I play and bench. I used to run my world record 970s are 1.28volts on air. This means there is a ton of room for voltage, especially since when I am gaming I am really only seeing like 65c max on 60% fans, usually hovering around 60c. So, although I am sure evga has run a gauntlet of tests, I can't say that it truly amounts to much in the end, whether I bench at 2000mhz or 2050mhz, the scores are fairly identical. If you consider yourself a real overclocker, get in the bios and up the voltage limit with the pascal tweaker comes out, thats where the real value is; not in spending 679, 700, 710, 750 dollars on something that gets 3 better frames per second on similar gimped bios. For what its worth, I have seen a lot of youtubers having trouble hitting 2100 in all applications, founders or not, now consider that may be a voltage problem. If you open gpu-z and turn your eyes to the sensors you will see that the performance is voltage capped, meaning if there was more volts fed to the card it would perform better, it is not yet hitting its potential. For instance, when I upped the voltage on my 970s to 1.28, with kboost they automatically clocked at 1500mhz, and from there I overclcocked about 70 more. My point is, if you got a FTW DT, if you are eyeing one in stock right now and considering if you should pass it up; from my personal experience, I don't think you should. These cards are hard to come by in stock, and you NEED that evga software to get good overclocking and OSD elements, any other program is tedious and lacking. 
 
TLDR Get the FTW DT, OC to 2050, be happy with 200 fps instead of 200.13
 


i agree with the pharmacist. paid 649.99 out the door from b&h, no sales tax and free shipping 8-) . looks like they've raised the price a little but, still less than 669 at evga. does 2050 no problem. can probably go higher but, i'm a sissy. if you really need the ftw logo on your card then get the non-dt version.
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/21 07:49:00 (permalink)
I would be 100% fine with a DT version if the box said on the front "REF" to inform the customer that this card has the structure of an FTW but the speeds of the reference cards.  The 980 Ti Classy with the Ref. Clock speeds said "REF" on it to denote this.  The problem I have is calling something DT.  DT is not something that would be commonly known to someone... does it mean "double tuck?" or "detuned" or "down there?"  If that was made known in plain terms to the consuming public, I would have no problems with a Reference FTW for those who do not want to OC the GPU beyond what it can do, but still want the benefits of smoother power delivery, RGB lighting, and a far superior air-cooler to what's on the reference design.

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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/21 08:23:24 (permalink)
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I would be 100% fine with a DT version if the box said on the front "REF" to inform the customer that this card has the structure of an FTW but the speeds of the reference cards.  The 980 Ti Classy with the Ref. Clock speeds said "REF" on it to denote this.  The problem I have is calling something DT.  DT is not something that would be commonly known to someone... does it mean "double tuck?" or "detuned" or "down there?"  If that was made known in plain terms to the consuming public, I would have no problems with a Reference FTW for those who do not want to OC the GPU beyond what it can do, but still want the benefits of smoother power delivery, RGB lighting, and a far superior air-cooler to what's on the reference design.


So, you're saying that if the box said Ref, people wouldn't make this mistake? Like Thames did with the 780, 780ti, 980, and 980ti classifieds/k|ngp|n cards?

DT means Down Tuned as it was explained from the beginning by EVGA before the card was officially released. You have to pay attention, that not many actually paid attention when buying the card that said REF, and then posted complaining that their card wouldn't exceed base clocks.

No matter what EVGA does, people aren't going to pay attention.

*edit* most of the DT cards are already showing that they boost far beyond the regular ftw speeds, so they are good cards, they just didn't work with the FTW BIOS.
post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2016/08/21 08:29:13
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/21 08:30:52 (permalink)
I didn't know that DT meant downtuned.  Mea Culpa.  I figured people would read (apparently I have too much faith in people....).  Thames actually bought all of them and didn't see REF meaning something?  As for me, I'm OCD about little things like that... I'm one of those who reads EVERYTHING about a product before I buy it (I guess that makes me not normal in impulsive societies.)  I work in an industry where impulse and inability to decide what someone wants means that they have to come to us to solve their problems (often at a triple-digit per month rate; I work in storage).  The only way that people may actually pay attention is if EVGA were do put in BIG letters "SLOW VERSION" (but then they'd sell zero of them because everyone'd want the "fast version.")
 
Can't win either way seems to be the outcome....
 
 
 
 

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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/08/21 10:22:09 (permalink)
here's a 10 minute run on heaven on the dt. 175 offset. can't do 200. settles in at 2062 not sure if this is good or bad.

 
 
 
 
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Re: 1080 FTW DT 2016/09/05 18:23:00 (permalink)
what in the heck does DT stand for please tell me
 

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