Amnesia1187
Also, just for the record, discussion is discussion. I'm not trying to bash on EVGA. I love my 1080 FTW  

Scarlet-Tech

Amnesia1187
Waaaait... So reverse binned 1080s? I mean i get it, but who wants to buy a GPU thats bigger and less energy efficient with the guarantee that it will overclock less than 100mhz?

 
Most people consider binning what extreme overclockers do.  They buy a tray of 6700k's for example, and go through them until they find one or two that hit 5.5 ghz.  A lot of end users do this as well, as they want a good overclocker.  
 
I have only seen the FTW and such "tested" as they aren't binned in the fashion that 99.9% of people assume they are.  99.9% of people are going to buy the FTW assuming it is binned like I mentioned before and when some of them receive a card that can't get more than +25mhz added without failing, they are going to be furious.  So, we use the interchangeable word, that the card is Tested at factory clocks, not binned for overclocking.. Overclocking is pushing past factory settings.  A factory overclock is still a factory setting as it is a requirement that must be met. 
 
And these aren't reverse binned, they failed the test to meet factory specifications, so they are sold for $30 less so that some people can get the RGB feature that they so badly want, even when they don't care about factory overclocks.  I think it is a great idea from EVGA, as they still make a little money, and some end users get their RGB that they want.   
 
Some folks with exotic cooling methods will be able to purchase these DT cards, and pump crazy voltage into and still get good overclockers, but they won't be 24/7 clocks like the factory overclocked FTW will be.

The biggest misconception when yiu tell someone that is new that the FTW is binned, is that they immediately assume it "will overclock much further than reference cards because it has better hardware, and more phases, and it's binned to overclock further" 100% wrong. It is tested for factory settings, not binned for maximum overclocking. If you tell them, it is texted for factory settings but it may not go further, 90% of new people respond, "but aren't they binned?" No.. They are tested only at factory clocks.

The words are fully interchangeable, but the meaning of binned is too easily confused for something it legitimately is not meant to be.

Scarlet-Tech

acxcoolerssuck
the ftw factory clock is not high in fact. so i would like to ask can dt card be overclocked to 2g or even 2.1g for 24/7 gaming like other non ref cards in other brands usually did. or its like what you are saying that dt card cant pass the test of at least hitting  the ftw factory clock settings which is just below 1.9g?

It is 100% possible that the cards will still overclock to 2.1 ghz, but it is a known fact that it will not be stable with the FTW bios.

Scarlet-Tech
The Dt can not maintain the stock bios for the FTW. these cards were targeted to be FTW cards, but they failed the testing phase of the FTW specifications, so they are not fit to be labeled a full FTW card.

The DT is just a designation showing that the card did fail the FTW tests. There is no telling what the card is capable of, without purchasing and testing it. Noone here can answer your question unless they specifically own a DT card.

The FTW specifications show the minimum requirements an FTW must meet to be designated A FTW card. They may exceed those clocks, but the specifications are guaranteed minimums.

q2klepto
Are all FTW DT cards tested & failed FTW cards? Or the DT cards are simply gpus that are untested but with the FTW bells & whistles - to speed up production? 

Artah

Beasthunt
Since basically all 1080s put up the same fps numbers, I find this a non issue. Just start putting out more stock. Dang. The 1080 ti will be out by the time out guys get stock stabilized.

Seriously, would love to get a couple of DT and sell off my single unopened regular non DT.  Been looking for a second regular FTW before I install them somewhere.  Not so confusing or misleading to me.  My vote is what EVGA did is perfectly fine.

vidathedog

s1mul8

rajeek
Sad thing is, it will look e

vidathedog

masshuum

EVGA_JacobF
SC and ACX 3.0 are completely different PCB, different cooler, (FTW is larger), more power phases, dual BIOS, double 8pin, RGB lighting, etc.

Here is a chart that is on the product page also:

But you're essentially putting a lawnmower motor in a sports car... and saying, buyer beware read the sheet specs. There's no reason to use the FTW name because it has always been implied and often expressly said that FTW applies to the gpu as well, not just the PCB and cooler...

I was just about to use this analogy. It's like taking an Audi RS4 and putting an A4 engine in it. It looks like an RS4, says RS4, and feels like an RS4 on the inside, that is until you start driving and realize something isn't right.

Sad thing is, it will look exactly like the legitimate FTW card and I'm sure the top name plate will not be changed at all to reflect its stock clock.  It will clearly be the biggest poser around....literally the A4, badged as an S4 or RS4.  Bait and Switch at its best here.

These are some of the dumbest, most stupid analogies I have ever read on an enthusiast forum. By this same analogy, it would be like Intel switching a i5 for a hyperthreaded i3. This isn't a bait and switch. A bait and switch implies that somehow you are getting the short end of the stick, you are paying the same price or more for an inferior product. It's literally the same exact chip, the same power delivery system, the same high bandwidth GDDR5x, the same features. One is clocked a reference speeds, and one isn't. What's funny is for every positive, someone out there has to point out the negative.
 
I'll take a DT model and save myself $30. I have no problem pocketing the extra cash. I'm glad it was announced, I will definitely pick one up when it comes in stock, this is exactly what I was looking for.

I'm not saying this card is a bad idea, if it had been available a few days ago when I got my FTW on newegg I would have gone with this instead and just over clocked it myself. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be called a FTW because FTW has always meant a complete package and that includes higher clocks out of the box.

captainthrall
The number of people complaining about this blows my mind.  I guess they just don't get it.  If you get it, stop reading.  If you don't, here's a brief explanation:

Many 1070/1080 manufacturers have been getting busted for advertising inflated clock speeds AND/OR sending modified cards to product testers.  Legally, this is called FRAUD.  

Meanwhile, EVGA tests each and every card that comes out of the factory.  FTW cards are guaranteed at a minimum clock speed of 1721.  For some reason (perhaps it was deliberate or perhaps not) some of the FTW cards didn't meet the strenuous testing requirements necessary to pass a 1721 certification.  However, they do pass the 1607 certification.  Therefor, EVGA created a separate SKU for these lower-clocked FTW cards.  This was done to ensure 100% transparency and to ensure that customers weren't misled in regards to the performance specifications of the products they are receiving.  

THIS WAS A STAND-UP, HONEST, SOLID MOVE!  With EVGA "what you see is what you get."  They're not labeling cards 1721 unless they're 100% sure they will crank out that speed.

lordaeron1

captainthrall
The number of people complaining about this blows my mind.  I guess they just don't get it.  If you get it, stop reading.  If you don't, here's a brief explanation:

Many 1070/1080 manufacturers have been getting busted for advertising inflated clock speeds AND/OR sending modified cards to product testers.  Legally, this is called FRAUD.  

Meanwhile, EVGA tests each and every card that comes out of the factory.  FTW cards are guaranteed at a minimum clock speed of 1721.  For some reason (perhaps it was deliberate or perhaps not) some of the FTW cards didn't meet the strenuous testing requirements necessary to pass a 1721 certification.  However, they do pass the 1607 certification.  Therefor, EVGA created a separate SKU for these lower-clocked FTW cards.  This was done to ensure 100% transparency and to ensure that customers weren't misled in regards to the performance specifications of the products they are receiving.  

THIS WAS A STAND-UP, HONEST, SOLID MOVE!  With EVGA "what you see is what you get."  They're not labeling cards 1721 unless they're 100% sure they will crank out that speed.

totally agree with you but ... i still think that FTW should be only 1. it's the same with 
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 GAMING ACX 3.0 1607 /1733
and 
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 1708 /1847
 
now  FTW DT (a not true FTW card that is)
 
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW DT GAMING ACX 3.0 1607 /1733 
 
runs on the same speed as FE ... if your logic was sound then this card would be a bit lower clocked then FTW but a bit higher clocked then atleast FE O_O.
 
do you get my drift ... This card no way in hell should be in the FTW family. it only lowering the FTW name.
 
and if a Classified card comes out and then after a month there will be a Classified DT card. trust me that every one that bought Classi will yell like crazy because it wont be an ELITE card anymore.
 

captainthrall

lordaeron1

captainthrall
The number of people complaining about this blows my mind.  I guess they just don't get it.  If you get it, stop reading.  If you don't, here's a brief explanation:

Many 1070/1080 manufacturers have been getting busted for advertising inflated clock speeds AND/OR sending modified cards to product testers.  Legally, this is called FRAUD.  

Meanwhile, EVGA tests each and every card that comes out of the factory.  FTW cards are guaranteed at a minimum clock speed of 1721.  For some reason (perhaps it was deliberate or perhaps not) some of the FTW cards didn't meet the strenuous testing requirements necessary to pass a 1721 certification.  However, they do pass the 1607 certification.  Therefor, EVGA created a separate SKU for these lower-clocked FTW cards.  This was done to ensure 100% transparency and to ensure that customers weren't misled in regards to the performance specifications of the products they are receiving.  

THIS WAS A STAND-UP, HONEST, SOLID MOVE!  With EVGA "what you see is what you get."  They're not labeling cards 1721 unless they're 100% sure they will crank out that speed.

totally agree with you but ... i still think that FTW should be only 1. it's the same with 
 1607 /1733
and 
 1708 /1847
 
now  FTW DT (a not true FTW card that is)
 
 1607 /1733 
 
runs on the same speed as FE ... if your logic was sound then this card would be a bit lower clocked then FTW but a bit higher clocked then atleast FE O_O.
 
do you get my drift ... This card no way in hell should be in the FTW family. it only lowering the FTW name.
 
and if a Classified card comes out and then after a month there will be a Classified DT card. trust me that every one that bought Classi will yell like crazy because it wont be an ELITE card anymore.
 

you're still not understanding.  let me make it very very very simple:
1st, EVGA made a batch of ftw cards (with ftw hardware, bios, and leds etc)
2nd, some of those cards didn't meet ftw qualifications (clock speeds were too low when factory tested)
3rd, EVGA decided to sell them at a discounted price.

"it doesnt belong in the ftw family."  Dude... They can't sell them as non-FTW cards because the LED on the side says FTW.  What do you want them to do?  Get a sharpie and mark out the FTW LED?  Or do you want EVGA to lie and say they're all 1800 clocked like other companies do?  Or should EVGA just throw them in the dumpster?