People cry and moan about cards not getting to market quickly, so EVGA cuts a time intensive piece out if the equation and offers what is basically an untested version of the same card. People have another cow over this. Get a grip people, nobody cares what GPU you have.. Your e-peen will be just fine.

elroux66
Will those be available in the step-up program?? It would be awesome, and offers a variety in the choice over 2 blowers (Reference board), 1 ACX (reference board) !!

F5

trilegdog

elroux66
Will those be available in the step-up program?? It would be awesome, and offers a variety in the choice over 2 blowers (Reference board), 1 ACX (reference board) !!

F5

Sure will do but an answer from Jacob would help me If I enter now or If I wait !

BlueHeisenberg

brentsg
an untested version of the same card.

Actually this IS a tested version of the card.  That is why it's not a regular FTW, because they tested the card and it failed so they couldn't sell it with the regular FTWs.
 
Seems shady to me

Some will be tested, but there's no certainty that it will be.  It opens the opportunity to bypass that part of the process, as well as using up cards that failed their internal OC tests.  Not sure how it's shady, they and most every manufacturer that has factory OC cards also sells a non-OC model of exactly the same thing.  Customers get more total units made available.  Customers get to pick which they want to spend their money on.  It's a win-win.
 
If the biggest concern is that someone might mistake a FTW in your forum sig as the wrong version.. then it's not something worth worrying about.

EVGA_JacobF
In the end, we are giving the choice and the reason I created this thread is to keep you guys informed. We will have more supply on the standard FTW model overall, so in the coming weeks/months you should have no issue getting either. If the bump in clockspeed is not your primary reason for getting the FTW then you can save $30 on the DT version. For example I saw many people who wanted FTW model specifically for the RGB lighting.
 
We will look into making it more clear at ETAIL/RETAIL, of course we always value your feedback! I do want to clarify that likely these cards still overclock very well on the boost frequency, but with anything related to OC, your mileage may vary!

What difference does it make? It's just another paper launch of a product that isn't available. Makes absolutely no sense that you have no clue how many of what version of cards you have coming in and to whom they are being shipped too.

BlueHeisenberg

brentsg
an untested version of the same card.

Actually this IS a tested version of the card.  That is why it's not a regular FTW, because they tested the card and it failed so they couldn't sell it with the regular FTWs.
 
Seems shady to me

With a FE card at least you may win the silicon lottery and get a good card that will OC very well.  With this, you know you will lose the silicon lottery.  It has already been verified a lottery loser.
 
Seems like there should be an even greater discount here for the SI verified loser cards being pawned off as FTW's.

There is objectively nothing wrong with doing this. You guys seriously trying to complain that the name is too similar so people might confuse one for the other? Really? If you're looking to invest over $600 on high end computer components, and you're not looking at the specs and making sure you're buying what you actually want, I'm concerned for your mental capacity and wellbeing.

brentsg
Some will be tested, but there's no certainty that it will be.

Every single one will be tested, that is why they are being put in the "FTW DT" category to begin with.
 

brentsg
If the biggest concern is that someone might mistake a FTW in your forum sig as the wrong version

That is not the concern here at all, the concern is that people will be buying this card thinking they are getting a different card.  Then when they pop it in and try to OC it since it has all those features built for OCing and it can't even get to FTW speeds stable, that is the concern.  Most people buying the card will not know that they failed tests to reach FTW clock speeds (most people do not spend their time reading internet forums from computer part manufactures).
 

rajeek
With a FE card at least you may win the silicon lottery and get a good card that will OC very well.  With this, you know you will lose the silicon lottery.  It has already been verified a lottery loser.
 
Seems like there should be an even greater discount here for the SI verified loser cards being pawned off as FTW's.

Exactly, at least with the FE you could still get a really good OCing card.  With the FTW DT, you know you won't even be able to hit FTW speeds.  Only person who should want this if they are not going to be OCing the card at all and just wants to spend $40 to have RGB lighting (seems expensive just for lights if you ask me).  The naming scheme of ACX 3.0 RGB is a good idea.

BlueHeisenberg
 
Every single one will be tested, that is why they are being put in the "FTW DT" category to begin with.
 
That is not the concern here at all, the concern is that people will be buying this card thinking they are getting a different card.  Then when they pop it in and try to OC it since it has all those features built for OCing and it can't even get to FTW speeds stable, that is the concern.  Most people buying the card will not know that they failed tests to reach FTW clock speeds (most people do not spend their time reading internet forums from computer part manufactures).

 
You simply do not know this.  You don't know what they will test and what they will not test.  The name isn't a guaranteed indication of test failure, rather a guarantee that the card hasn't passed the FTW test.  With the regular ACX3 vs SC cards, everyone recommends to simply grab the ACX3 card and OC yourself to save a few bucks.  How is this any different?  It's not.. exactly the same.  These overclocks are so mild, I doubt there is much failure anyways, unless they're doing much more stressful testing than most people are at home.
 
If you want to talk about confused consumers, go check out MSI's lineup.  It'll make your head spin.  I counted 16 models covering 1070/1080.  
 
Specs are published on these cards, and if someone buys the wrong one then it's because they didn't read the specs.  

ipaine
Just wanted to add something.
 
First I do think that offering a card with the rgb, pcb, and the power phase of the FTW at base clocks is a good idea. I only disagree with the naming scheme. That said since I assume these are already packaged up with those coolers is there actually going to be any difference physically in the card? Will it still look exactly like the standard FTW? And if that is the case then you are hand tied a bit with regards to the naming.
 
Second, I do want to thank Jacob for letting us know about it. He doesn't have to constantly answer our questions here and on twitter (I mean how many times has he answered the same questions over and over). So Jacob, thanks. We all (well I'm sure at least most) do appreciate the work that you do.

If by answer questions, you mean reply with really ambiguous, uncertain half-answers, then yes, he is doing a great job of keeping EVGA customers happy and informed of when their 30+ day order might be fulfilled.
 
/s

Huh, I see a FTW @ $650 but clocked @ FE speeds? What's all the fuss about, 1080 FTW's aren't even binned, right? 

Thanks for the heads up Jacob, I have a friend that will be happy to hear this news. He is struggling to find a FTW and he wants one really badly 
 
$649 for a beast of a custom card, nice deal. Not even mad it isn't OC. People getting such a beefy card will more than likely overclock themselves anyways, so they should get the satisfaction of seeing more gains vs the factory oc. 

Miko Ryukudo
Thanks for the heads up Jacob, I have a friend that will be happy to hear this news. He is struggling to find a FTW and he wants one really badly 
 
$649 for a beast of a custom card, nice deal. Not even mad it isn't OC. People getting such a beefy card will more than likely overclock themselves anyways, so they should get the satisfaction of seeing more gains vs the factory oc. 

Ummmmm.....I think you missed the point here.  The whole issue is these cards have ALREADY failed the OC test.  The real FTW is modestly OC'd at best and these can't even manage that, yet they are designated a FTW card.  If you want to OC, this card would be absolutely worst choice you could make.  EVGA already knows these cards will not OC with any stability already.  Just get a regular 1080 and at a minimum will meet this cards performance and potentially really beat it if you get a silicon lottery winner.

Miko Ryukudo

rajeek
 
 
Ummmmm.....I think you missed the point here.  The whole issue is these cards have ALREADY failed the OC test.  The real FTW is modestly OC'd at best and these can't even manage that, yet they are designated a FTW card.  If you want to OC, this card would be absolutely worst choice you could make.  EVGA already knows these cards will not OC with any stability already.  Just get a regular 1080 and at a minimum will meet this cards performance and potentially really beat it if you get a silicon lottery winner.

I'd rather spend $30 more than the regular ACX 4.0 to have a better chance at overclocking with the extra power phases and custom pcb. But I have a 980ti SC+, I'm not upgrading anyways, I just think this is a good option. 

That's cool, but you could hook up a nuclear power plant to this and it still won't matter here.  Essentially the GPU has already shown itself.  Again you would be better getting a regular ACX 3.0 if you want to OC.  If you don't want to OC but want the LED's then this is your perfect card.

Scarlet-Tech
I think some of you seriously misunderstand "overclocking" compared to "stability". Overclocking for points can go far higher than a stable system.. Example, my 980ti's can overclock to 1599mhz and pass Benchmarks all night, but they aren't game stable past 1540mhz.

These cards are not stable at ftw clock, but that means nothing for how they will overclock. You can still get a card that overclocks great, and may be stable for the games you play at higher than ftw clocks.. Don't forget, gpu boost 3.0 will also be boosting the card being stock as well, which may cover all of the FTW clocks.

good point, I myself am considering the ftw dt