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I just got my 1070Ti replaced under RMA due to Displayport sleep issues and they seem to be gone after having the new one for 3 days now :) .... however .....
My FFXV benchmark score is 1/2 or what it was previously , ie about 5000 now vs 10,000 at STD 1080p and so far I haven't figured out Why, although GPUZ and HWInfo64 both say the GPU Load isn't 99-100% during the benchmark , in fact HWInfo says its avg. utilization is 30.1% during the Benchmark. Using default OOB settings or OCing it with Precision make almost no difference in the score ..couple hundred points or Utilization % either.
I also notice the "slowness" in my 3D CAD software opening 3D views etc , what was once a 1 second lapse is now 4-5 sec sometimes of black screen.
I have tried Heaven and Valley and they both run about the same as before if a bit lower , so I have tried different Drivers 388.13 , 391.24 , 398.36 with no change in FFXV, so I reinstalled it too ...still no Change....
Tech Support had me download DDU and 3DMark Bench but using DDU and reinstalling 391.24 made no difference with FFXV .
3DMark TimeSpy crashes at the loading of the 1st Graphics test. However Firestrike does run and I can see the Utilization in the 90-99% range for it and I get a score , same as Valley, Heaven or Super Position , so this has me totally confused.
So far all testing has been on the Main Bios , I could try the Slave Bios I guess next , though I am not sure if this could be a Bios issue or not? I do note however that this card has a different Bios from the Original , though during RMA I was told a different one was not available for the 1070Ti when I asked.
Not quite sure what to try next , so if anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate knowing them,
Thanks.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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☄ Helpfulby Kbird666 2018/07/23 01:50:55
You sure you didn't have v-sync enabled inside the nvidia control panel/game when running the ffxv benchmark? Did you make sure any/all frame rate limiters were disabled before running the ffxv benchmark?
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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You sure you didn't have v-sync enabled inside the nvidia control panel/game when running the ffxv benchmark? Did you make sure any/all frame rate limiters were disabled before running the ffxv benchmark?
Had not thought of that ...good thought, thx, but also have not changed any settings myself..... I actually just uninstalled PXOC 6.2.7 to see if that was somehow causing it and now TimeSpy runs.... Installed PXOC 6.2.3 instead and TimeSpy crashes again with an "Ooops there was and Error" message again but nothing helpful. Even Stranger now cos TimeSpy runs with MSI-AB installed , still the same issue with FFXV though..... will check NV CP for anything now... NV CP has Vertical Sync as Application Controlled under Global , so it is the same under Programs but changing it to Off has not helped the FFXV score.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Is the card running at advertised clocks while running the ffxv benchmark?
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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I just got my 1070Ti replaced under RMA due to Displayport sleep issues and they seem to be gone after having the new one for 3 days now :) .... however .....
My FFXV benchmark score is 1/2 or what it was previously , ie about 5000 now vs 10,000 at STD 1080p and so far I haven't figured out Why, although GPUZ and HWInfo64 both say the GPU Load isn't 99-100% during the benchmark , in fact HWInfo says its avg. utilization is 30.1% during the Benchmark. Using default OOB settings or OCing it with Precision make almost no difference in the score ..couple hundred points or Utilization % either.
I also notice the "slowness" in my 3D CAD software opening 3D views etc , what was once a 1 second lapse is now 4-5 sec sometimes of black screen.
I have tried Heaven and Valley and they both run about the same as before if a bit lower , so I have tried different Drivers 388.13 , 391.24 , 398.36 with no change in FFXV, so I reinstalled it too ...still no Change....
Tech Support had me download DDU and 3DMark Bench but using DDU and reinstalling 391.24 made no difference with FFXV .
3DMark TimeSpy crashes at the loading of the 1st Graphics test. However Firestrike does run and I can see the Utilization in the 90-99% range for it and I get a score , same as Valley, Heaven or Super Position , so this has me totally confused.
So far all testing has been on the Main Bios , I could try the Slave Bios I guess next , though I am not sure if this could be a Bios issue or not? I do note however that this card has a different Bios from the Original , though during RMA I was told a different one was not available for the 1070Ti when I asked.
Not quite sure what to try next , so if anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate knowing them,
Thanks.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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I did check in HWInfo64 and GPU for the link Speed and it was okay , it also appears to be Boosting correctly too 1800ish on the Core , don't have PXOC installed ATM to set my own but that part seems okay too.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Thanks Sajin , you got me looking in the right place .... a NV CP setting was the issue it seems....
When I 1st installed the card , I left everything at OOB settings as I wanted to test the Card at Stock settings before trying to Overclock it and make sure it was Stable at Stock , so I didn't touch the NV CP settings as I normally would. It turns out FFXV is smart enough to only run the Card hard enough at the defualt Optimal Power setting to stay at the monitor Refresh rate is my guess ie 60FPS/60hz refresh , as soon as I switched the Power Management to "Prefer Maximum" FFXV started using 99% of the GPU, it even overclocks nicely at Stock Voltage and I have a new High Score of just over 11000 at 1080p.
I also reinstalled PXOC 6.2.7 to try TimeSpy again and with the Power setting at "Prefer Maximum" and it also now runs without Crashing/Errors.
On the downside this may have exposed the Displayport Sleep issue again , after having something to eat I came back to the Computer only to find one of the monitors didn't wake from Sleep mode again , so it looks like I maybe right after all, thinking this was a Driver Issue all along and not a bad Card, but neither I or TS figured it out in 4 months so the 1st Card was RMA'd a couple of weeks ago. Hasn't happened in the last 3 Days and the only 2 settings I changed were VSync and the Power Management and I don't usually change the VSync setting as most games have that option built in , so "Application Controlled" works fine.
Thanks again....
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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 Do you have the nvidia hd audio driver installed? If yes, uninstall it as it's known to cause sleep issues.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Do you have the nvidia hd audio driver installed? If yes, uninstall it as it's known to cause sleep issues.
Thanks more good Info, I have not seen elsewhere I do have it installed , as it installs with the Nvidia Drivers , so I will try removing it and test it out , as it also happens from Cold Boot on occasion too. Strange that it only seems to happen when I have "Prefer Maximum Performance" under what used to be the Multi-Monitor setting though , perhaps it was purely coincidental last night though?
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Do you have the nvidia hd audio driver installed? If yes, uninstall it as it's known to cause sleep issues.
Thanks more good Info, I have not seen elsewhere
I do have it installed , as it installs with the Nvidia Drivers , so I will try removing it and test it out , as it also happens from Cold Boot on occasion too. Strange that it only seems to happen when I have "Prefer Maximum Performance" under what used to be the Multi-Monitor setting though , perhaps it was purely coincidental last night though?
No problem. Perhaps. Before you start testing make sure you restart your pc after removing the nvidia hd audio driver.
I used CP to uninstall the Nvidia HD Audio and rebooted but found that Win10 has installed the M$ HD Audio Driver instead :) , not sure if it has similar issues though? or perhaps I need to disable the 3 monitors in the Sound Settings too? KB
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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☄ Helpfulby Kbird666 2018/07/23 12:02:21
The M$ hd audio driver is fine.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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The M$ hd audio driver is fine.
Thanks again for the Info , I will report back once I know a more....
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/07/23 12:09:40
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You sure you didn't have v-sync enabled inside the nvidia control panel/game when running the ffxv benchmark? Did you make sure any/all frame rate limiters were disabled before running the ffxv benchmark?
Had not thought of that ...good thought, thx, but also have not changed any settings myself.....
I actually just uninstalled PXOC 6.2.7 to see if that was somehow causing it and now TimeSpy runs....
Installed PXOC 6.2.3 instead and TimeSpy crashes again with an "Ooops there was and Error" message again but nothing helpful.
Even Stranger now cos TimeSpy runs with MSI-AB installed , still the same issue with FFXV though..... will check NV CP for anything now...
NV CP has Vertical Sync as Application Controlled under Global , so it is the same under Programs but changing it to Off has not helped the FFXV score.
I can remember as far back as my 1080SC2 that PXOC causes issues with TimeSpy. Try this. Set your clock speed, etc. with PXOC open. Hit apply...settings will load on to the card. Now...CLOSE PXOC and run the benchmark. It should run...and overclock applied will work. The issue is the OSD and Timespy for some odd reason. Should you decide to keep Afterburner...just remember...the GPU fan will be under AB control but the memory and power will not. Those fans will be controlled by the bios of the video card, itself. Either way...it should work out...
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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use a better benchmark, the ffxv bench is rubbish.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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use a better benchmark, the ffxv bench is rubbish.
I usually use FFXIV-Heavensward which I find pushes a Card harder , I also prefer it to Stormblood , what I like about Heavensward is that I can move the mouse and click on other things without the BM stopping ala 3D Mark stuff or Valley or Heaven etc, I only BM to test the Card and not for the sake of a BM Score so having every CPU/GPU cycle allocated to the BM is not that important , FFXV was just a quick test to see if the Card performed like the Original Card when it came from RMA. Although it seems to be something to do with the Nvidia Driver power Management on Maximum Performance (and perhaps the V-Sync setting) in combination with PXOC 6.2.7 , I am now finding the card will goto 1607 core at Idle and stay there , idle being a Web Browser (FF) and my email Prog. like right now and not downclocking to the normal 700-800 range ( 3 monitors) unless I reboot, still trying to figure it out. At 1stI thought it was a screwy Slave Bios , ( I tried it as I read here the Fan runs by default and with and ambient of 30degC currently I thought a good idea when PXOC wasn't installed, but switching back to the Main Bios has not changed the behaviour as yet , I did uninstalled PXOC and delete the Profiles Folder and reinstall , but no change either. If I apply an OC with PXOC eg 150 core 300 Mem , which it handles easily , it will Boost during a BM or Game as expected but back in Windows it is still at 1607 Hopefully someone has seen this before and help me figure it out
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/07/26 12:57:43
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Here are the top causes of why a GPU would run at full clocks at idle... #1 You're running multiple monitors. Fix: Enable mutil display power saver using nvidia inspector.#2 Your machine has a virus. Fix: Scan computer using malwarebytes.#3 One or more programs running in the background are using your GPU. Fix: Perform a clean boot of windows.#4 Power management mode inside the nvidia control panel is set to prefer maximum performance. Fix: Set power management mode to adaptive then reboot your computer.#5 Running a resolution of 2560x1440 @ 144Hz. Fix: Change refresh rate to 120Hz.#6 K-Boost is enabled inside Precision X. Fix: Disable K-Boost.#7 Shadowplay is enabled inside geforce experience. Fix: Disable shadowplay inside geforce experience OR completely uninstall geforce experience from your machine (highly recommended)
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Here are the top causes of why a GPU would run at full clocks at idle...
#1 You're running multiple monitors. Fix: Enable mutil display power saver using nvidia inspector.
I have run Multimonitor for many years and never needed to do this .... issue is new to this 1070Ti
#2 Your machine has a virus. Fix: Scan computer using malwarebytes.
MB is always installed on my Machines and hasn't found anything...yet....
#3 One or more programs running in the background are using your GPU. Fix: Perform a clean boot of windows.
Nothing running in the background as far as I am aware but the usual Suspects.......this is new with this Card....
I know Steam has had an Update this week ( I had to disable the Friends Window appearing on each boot) but it stops K-Boost being applied on my system
#4 Power management mode inside the nvidia control panel is set to prefer maximum performance. Fix: Set power management mode to adaptive then reboot your computer.
I have tried this but the Card then only Boost when the Driver "Thinks" it needs too and in FFXV for example it doesn't boost and I get 54% GPU Utilisation ie I am back to where this thread Started....
#5 Running a resolution of 2560x1440 @ 144Hz. Fix: Change refresh rate to 120Hz.
I am at 2560 x 1440p but these BenQ monitors are only 60hz (CAD/CAM not Gaming Type) in fact Win10 usually sets them at 59hz.
#6 K-Boost is enabled inside Precision X. Fix: Disable K-Boost.
The Button is not enabled but I guess that is possible somehow ? but as above Steamwebhelper.exe stops KBoost activation
#7 Shadowplay is enabled inside geforce experience. Fix: Disable shadowplay inside geforce experience OR completely uninstall geforce experience from your machine (highly recommended)
I have never Installed GFE on my Machines , I look after my own Driver Updates , I even have Windows Updates Drivers disabled, and I don't use the other services GFE has like ShadowPlay etc.
Thanks Sajin see above in BOLD Italics , thanks.....
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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I have run Multimonitor for many years and never needed to do this .... issue is new to this 1070Ti
Strange. Nvidia has noted it as normal for a very long time now... "GPU Runs at a High Performance Level (full clock speeds) in Multi-display Modes This is a hardware limitation with desktop and older notebook GPUs, and not a software bug. When multiple displays are connected and active, the GPU will always operate with full clock speeds in order to efficiently drive multiple displays–even when no 3D programs are running." http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/305.68/305.68-win7-winvista-desktop-release-notes.pdf Even the latest drivers state that.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/07/27 20:39:47
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its normal, but if it didn't happen previously it was merely luck.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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@Sajin and @squall-leonhart With all due respect to you both being the Gurus around here and helping me out but I think you might be wrong , even the latest PDF says this is not an issue with Cards after the 5 Series , could be read as Notebooks only I guess? but that info coincides with my own experience having not seen it since I had SLI'd GTX 470's years ago . My current GTX 970 does not exhibit the issue on the same 3 monitors --via DVI or DP ( it goes down to 135mhz core) and neither of the 980Tis' or the 1st 1070Ti had the Issue either... all downclocked to 683 on the Core , memory usually stays maxed though on both those cards unlike the 970. I am still testing and play around and have Nvidia Inspector now, so am going to give it a try too , but testing over the last 24hrs is pointing to PXOC triggering it here, ie it only happens if I let PXOC run at boot or I start it. Thx. KB
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/03 13:08:15
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So after more testing it seems like now PXOC or MSI AB running at Startup causes the card to Bump to 1607 and not downclock IF the Nvidia Power Management is set to "Prefer Maximum Performance" which I have always set in the past with no issues. So I was running the system without PXOC or MSI AB running at startup or otherwise for about 24hrs with the card at 683-720 core depending on what I was doing , so I ran a few benchmarks/games etc and eventually something "tripped" and I was stuck at 1607 again and no matter what I did it would not downclock. So I tried Nvidia Inspector and it's MSPS option was able to downclock it , it also downclocked the memory though which seemed to make the card slow to respond at times and kick back up , this became a problem especially in my CAD SW as the 3D view generation is usually in seconds , so I turned off MSPS and found for a while the Card would still downclock until something "tripped" again and it would get stuck at 1607, and switching Power Setting in NVCP didn't change anything after a few reboots, so I removed the MSPS settings permanently (RC) , was still at 1607 , so I decided to reinstalled the Drivers (again) and tried 391.35 this time, instead of the latest and low and behold I was back at 683 again.... partly I am thinking cos the re-install reset the Driver Power Management to Optimal ( something that didn't work for me manually). I have since switched the Power Management to Adaptive and the Card it still downclocking properly to 683 and subsequently I have gone through the Managed Programs tab and set each 3D app as needed ( eg FFXV to max power) and specifically added PXOC and MSI AB to it with power Management set to global (adaptive) so they don't trip the Boost on startup and so far it has been working with no locked Boost for 48 hrs , so I figured I'd report back with the current developments with this issue. KB
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/03 13:24:43
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Your idle clocks are still not right. 139/405 is what they are suppose to be.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/03 13:42:52
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I just hooked up my backup display to my system, and my video card still runs at 139/405 even with two monitors connected. One monitor is running at 3840x2160 @ 120hz, and the other is running at 2560x1440 @ 60 hz.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/03 18:11:23
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My other system (X58) with a 970GTX in it, also runs these 3 monitors at 139/405 but that is via DVI-D/HDMI but I have not seen less than 683 on Displayport with either 980Ti I had or the 1st 1070Ti . The 1st 1070Ti I didn't have to do anything differently than I had previously but this new 1070Ti has a different Bios , so I am not sure if that is partly the cause now ??? , however 683 is alot better then 1607 as it runs 10-15degC cooler so I am definitely happier with that.
Nvidia Inspector was doing 608/405 at P8 level but I didn't try playing with it any further.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/03 19:10:06
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The newer vbios shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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Re: 1070Ti FTW2 and some Benchmarks now 1/2 the score
2018/08/04 08:02:02
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The newer vbios shouldn't have anything to do with it.
I am not too sure to be honest , it is the only change in the system I can think of other than numerous Win10 updates lately of course. Thought I might try the latest Driver 398,82 and see what happens ....are you running them? no issues? I think I'll need to redo all the Power Management Settings though? so maybe I wont upgrade ie if it ain't broke, don't fix it.... Thanks for your help again. KB
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