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2015/08/04 16:26:51 (permalink)
I'm having issues with my Z97 Stinger mobo and Windows 10 release. It simply doesn't want to boot the installer. I've tried the upgrade via windows Update, and the media downloader via USB and DVD ISO. It's almost like some setting in bios is kicking the installer out from working. Nothing all that magical about my hardware. Z97, GTX770, G.Skill 16GB DDR3, and a Seagate HD.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/05 11:19:00 (permalink)
    Hmm I ran into similar problems with my classified board in the past.  Seemed like my external DVD drive would only truly work for OS installs in the USB ports on the back of the board.  Same went for USB installs.  
     
    I imagine you're using the image from the Media Creation Tool, yeah?  If you have another system in the home, you can always test it on there to make sure the actual data downloaded properly.
     
     

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/06 09:43:29 (permalink)
    I'm starting to believe it has something to do with CSM menu settings under the Boot menu. Those of you out there who have successfully installed Windows 10, what are your settings in that menu?

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/06 11:08:13 (permalink)
    Not the same platform, but CSM settings should be similar I would think.
     

     
    I should add that I use those same settings for Win7 as well as Win10.
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/06 11:18:55 (permalink)
    Thanks, I'll try that.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/06 12:27:50 (permalink)
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    Not the same platform, but CSM settings should be similar I would think.
     

     
    I should add that I use those same settings for Win7 as well as Win10.




    I can second this as well.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/06 20:46:30 (permalink)
    I used those settings, something else must be conflicting. It simply bumps me right back into Win 8.1 login screen no matter what I use, DVD, USB or upgrade download.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/07 00:59:45 (permalink)
    If it's a matter of the installer not starting, try using the boot override option in the save and exit menu to boot directly to your windows 10 media.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/07 15:58:15 (permalink)
    Further update. I selected my USB thumb drive of the Win 10 installer made with the media creation tool. It shows the blue windows logo for around 10 seconds then the system just reboots again. After that it shows the same windows logo but the circle activity pulsing icon under it, but it's loading win 8.1 login screen, not windows 10. Looks like something 10 seconds into the boot of any version of the Windows 10 installer bumps me back to reboot. This happens with all variations, so I'm interpriting that either the installer doesn't like a bios setting or something in my hardware configuration.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/09 21:28:19 (permalink)
    Sort of blows my mind that Windows 10 installer is so temperamental. Wouldn't it be funny if the reason for all those Windows 10 downloads is 20% of all people attempting to install are accounting for 80% of that figure and are just trying again and again without success? 

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/10 13:30:44 (permalink)
    I've still not uncovered the issue causing this. Wonder if it's the SATA settings? There are settings for IDE, AHCI and RAID. I was running RAID before in RAID0 while using Insider Preview. At the moment I'm set AHCI. Maybe that is what is screwing things up?

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/11 08:29:37 (permalink)
    I'm also having massive issues with windows 10.  Since your problems sound very similar to mine, you could try removing your GPU and using the built-in gpu graphics.  Doing that, I was able to get win10 installed and going, but can't have a GPU in period.
     
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/11 19:32:57 (permalink)
    Interesting, I'll try that.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/12 21:46:03 (permalink)
    No luck. I might try another hard drive to see if that is it. I've been isolating out things and it's beginning to get hard to isolate out any more things for diagnosing. I'm beginning to be convinced something is either wrong with the bios or the Windows 10 installer. A lot of the time hardware issues point towards operator error, but I've tried so many different variations as to pretty much isolate out that.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/15 10:55:53 (permalink)
    I am having the same issues as you are  with Win 10 and the Stinger. I tried everything from ISO, USB Optical, Direct Connect Optical, USB, and still does the same thing. The Win 10 logo pops up for about 10 seconds like it's trying to install, then it re-boots. Did you have any luck yet? By the way, this is a brand new Stinger out of the box and a new SSD. Windows 7 installed just fine, but not 10.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/15 22:50:40 (permalink)
    In my case, Windows 8.1 Pro 64 installs just fine but Windows 10 Pro 64 is a no-go. My drive setup is two Seagate hybrids in a RAID0. I've tried about every variation possible. Something about the setup doesn't like Windows 10 at all. That being said, previously it had the Insider Preview installed about a month before Windows 10 release without a single issue installing.
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/15 23:35:18 (permalink)
    My most recent try yielded this:
     

     
    Microsoft's suggestion in how to deal with this error do not work. This is not the only error I've gotten in my recent experimentation, this is only just the latest. Right now I'm really not impressed with either EVGA or Microsoft.
     
     

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/15 23:54:55 (permalink)
    Do you have the Intel Rapid Start and smart connect set to Off?
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/15 23:58:05 (permalink)
    Will check.
     
    I'm z97 and G3258. Still grasping at straws but looks like others are having similar issues:
    https://social.technet.mi...um=WinPreview2014Setup

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 00:51:31 (permalink)
    Ok, I've just be able to reproduce the fix for this. Believe it or not I have to go into bios and change the cpus settings from use "all" cores to use "1" core. Seems like Microsoft and Intel screwed the pooch on this one.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 00:54:45 (permalink)
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    Do you have the Intel Rapid Start and smart connect set to Off?


    The issue was not resolved by changing anything related to Intel Rapid Start or Smart Connect. The issue is resolved (if you'd call it a resolution?) by changing the cpu settings from "all" cores to "1". I now have a very slow running Windows 10 machine. *groan*



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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 01:40:05 (permalink)
    Hmm. Can you re-enable the cores after installing, when you're up and running?
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 01:46:23 (permalink)
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    Hmm. Can you re-enable the cores after installing, when you're up and running?


    Checking, will let you know after reboot and bios settings change.

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 01:53:11 (permalink)
    Nope, no luck. What occurs if I set cores back to "all", the system gets stuck in an infinite loop of reboots and even loops when it tries to boot into recovery mode after a few failures. I went in and set cores back to "1" and it successfully fully booted into Windows 10 again. Looks like something Intel and Microsoft is doing doesn't like the G3258 in any bios setting other than "1" core. I'm not a fan of having to run single core but will until this is figured out I guess.
     
    Anyone else that is experiencing a similar Windows 10 installer issue able to reproduce my experience?
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 02:33:53 (permalink)
    For those wanting to know the bios setting that I'm talking about, set this to "1".
     
     

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 03:43:36 (permalink)
    Maybe try the fix from the Intel forum here?
     
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    Temporary (?) fix here: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/win-10-g3258-issue-microcode/2b8ba9bd-24e4-4b4a-8d39-abc738a3dec5?page=7&msgId=0be950ef-e359-40f4-96df-70e9ab05b47e&tm=1438523147485
     
    For me (from this thread):
     
    "I just renamed C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll to C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll.bak (and changed permissions to be able to do so- on this file only). And that's ALL I needed to do Win 10-side for my G3258 (aside obviously from setting OC again on all cores in BIOS).
     
    I used http://[link=http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/]http://winaero.com/blog/h...folders-in-windows-10/[/link] and http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-restore-the-trustedinstaller-ownership-in-windows-10/ to get rights to rename and then restore rights back to TrustedInstaller on this single file only (you probably don't need to restore rights back on the bak file but I do for completeness so everything in the C:\Windows\System32 folder continues to have TrustedInstaller as owner).
     
    So no registry key uploads/editing (other than that performed by the usual Windows interface as described in these links)."
     
    Hope this helps (for now)
     



     
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 04:07:46 (permalink)
    I can confirm changing the file type on "C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll" to "C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll.bak" works as a temporary fix. You have to change the ownership of the file from "Owner: TrustedInstaller" to whatever your administrative level account is that you're using. You also need to change the "Full control" permission entry on the file from principal "TrustedInstaller" to your administrative level account. Once those two things are done it'll allow you to rename the file with the "bak" filetype. Once done, go into bios and change the cpu setting to "all" again and boot into Windows 10.
     
    This tells me that Intel messed up something in their microcode update recently.
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 12:48:42 (permalink)
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    Nope, no luck. What occurs if I set cores back to "all", the system gets stuck in an infinite loop of reboots and even loops when it tries to boot into recovery mode after a few failures. I went in and set cores back to "1" and it successfully fully booted into Windows 10 again. Looks like something Intel and Microsoft is doing doesn't like the G3258 in any bios setting other than "1" core. I'm not a fan of having to run single core but will until this is figured out I guess.
     
    Anyone else that is experiencing a similar Windows 10 installer issue able to reproduce my experience?




    I got the same results with my G3258 on the Stinger. It loops with trying to repair when both cores are enabled. The strange thing is the wife has the Asus Z97-A with a G3258, WIN 10 and it all installed and is running just fine.....????

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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 13:32:20 (permalink)
    Disabling mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll seems to deal with the issue. I'm curious just what mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll does and what features if any am I losing by the disable?
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    Re: Z97 Stinger and Win 10 2015/08/16 15:51:03 (permalink)
    I think I'll pass messing with that unless there's no fix.
     
    What is strange is my Asus Z97-A and Asus my Z97-WS have no issues with the G3258 on install or overclocking with Win 10. Both are running at 4.2ghz. I heard the issue was only with the non Z97 mobo's, but the Stinger is a Z97 and still a no go. Any word what the issue is EVGA?

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