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Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not?

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2011/04/20 16:05:58 (permalink)
Hello all,
 
Current setup is in my sig. 
 
I can upgrate to an 1155 setup for $450 bucks if I get the following items(Newegg prices):
 
2 x Gskill ripjaw 2 x 2 gb DDR 1600 $99.98
 
1 x GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3-B3  P67 Mobo:  $122.99
 
1 x i5 2700k CPU:  $224.99
 
Im pretty sure my Thermalright Ultra120 CPU cooler can be used on an 1155 board with a bracket or something. Someone please clarify.
 
Is the upgrade worth the money or should I wait for Ivy Bridge? Also, any alternate suggestions to my selections would be appreciated.
 
Thanks for looking.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 16:08:01 (permalink)
    i whent form 775 to 1155 and i dont even want to go back to 775,, u can use 1156 aftermarket coolers for 1155, just not the cpus

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 16:08:51 (permalink)
    I would wait for Socket 2011. Right now it is an incremental performance increase for you versus a quantum leap. Besides, there is nothing your current CPU @ its OC can't do. Even if you had SLi 590s, you would be bottle necked.
     
    Also coolers like the TRUE and Megahalems can be used on both socket types IIRC.
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 16:18:25 (permalink)
    toyking22

    i whent form 775 to 1155 and i dont even want to go back to 775,, u can use 1156 aftermarket coolers for 1155, just not the cpus

    So you can or can't? Be more clear

     
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 16:46:05 (permalink)
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    i whent form 775 to 1155 and i dont even want to go back to 775,, u can use 1156 aftermarket coolers for 1155, just not the cpus

    So you can or can't? Be more clear

     
    He meant that you can use the CPU coolers with 1156 compatibility on a 1155 mounting platform, but socket 1156 CPUs (i5 760, i7 860, 875K etc) will NOT be able to run on socket 1155 mobos.


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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 17:18:18 (permalink)
    Thats what i got out of it.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 18:36:24 (permalink)
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    He meant that you can use the CPU coolers with 1156 compatibility on a 1155 mounting platform, but socket 1156 CPUs (i5 760, i7 860, 875K etc) will NOT be able to run on socket 1155 mobos.

    Just making sure, I have almost no experience in P67 mobos, except I know that the 2600k is a beast at OC, it runs only dual channel, but is definitely worth every cent

     
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 18:59:54 (permalink)
    Short Version:
    I think if you ever intend on multiples of any $250 video card or greater, then you shouldn't touch the mainstream socket LGA1155, don't let the appeal of high overclocks fool you unless you never intend on more than one graphics card.  Most folks upgrade graphics more often, so you have to consider future upgrades if you intend to keep the mainboard.  It really doesn't matter of the highest-end now doesn't need more than 16 lanes unless you never upgrade until you change the board.
     
    Long Version:
    By market, the LGA1155 socket succeeded the same market that used the LGA775 socket for all except the extreme chipsets, X48 and 790i -- latter went to LGA1366 with X58.  Since there was no AMD competition nor and nVidia licence for LGA1366, Intel will continue to milk that market untl the successor using a single LGA2011 socket comes this fall.
     
    There is no rule you should stick to a market, you can get whatever you want, just know that Intel does their homework: Their products are catered to a general audience. What primarily separates LGA1155 and LGA1366 (and the LGA2011 successor) is the number of PCIe lanes they support as the mainstream market isn't high-end multi-GPU.
     
    There is no rule on how often you got to upgrade, but I advise considering the one after from a future-proof sense because most here seem to only upgrade for present uses.  For instance, say you got for dual 570's, they together don't need more than 16 lanes of PCIe and LGA1155 would seem like a great choice -- but as soon as you get the next set, it will be physically bottlenecked by 16 lanes and you can't get more without changing the board.  IMO, it would suck to upgrade often and advise again such a gamble, but then you're reading a post from someone that prefers years apart each system upgrade.
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 20:22:15 (permalink)
    Thank you for the input everyone. I have decided to hold off. The only factor in my equation that I failed to mention is that my current GPU is a GTX 480, instead of a GTX 295.0
     
    It is also my understanding that Ivy Bridge's 22nm processors will be compatible with 1155 Mobo's. Everyone keeps calling them 2011's though. Does that mean that some of the functionality of the new CPU's will be limited by being placed in an 1155 mobo versus a reference 2011 board when they also arrive? Im obviously very confused here.
     
    lehpron

    Short Version:
    I think if you ever intend on multiples of any $250 video card or greater, then you shouldn't touch the mainstream socket LGA1155, don't let the appeal of high overclocks fool you unless you never intend on more than one graphics card.  Most folks upgrade graphics more often, so you have to consider future upgrades if you intend to keep the mainboard.  It really doesn't matter of the highest-end now doesn't need more than 16 lanes unless you never upgrade until you change the board.

    Long Version:
    By market, the LGA1155 socket succeeded the same market that used the LGA775 socket for all except the extreme chipsets, X48 and 790i -- latter went to LGA1366 with X58.  Since there was no AMD competition nor and nVidia licence for LGA1366, Intel will continue to milk that market untl the successor using a single LGA2011 socket comes this fall.

    There is no rule you should stick to a market, you can get whatever you want, just know that Intel does their homework: Their products are catered to a general audience. What primarily separates LGA1155 and LGA1366 (and the LGA2011 successor) is the number of PCIe lanes they support as the mainstream market isn't high-end multi-GPU.

    There is no rule on how often you got to upgrade, but I advise considering the one after from a future-proof sense because most here seem to only upgrade for present uses.  For instance, say you got for dual 570's, they together don't need more than 16 lanes of PCIe and LGA1155 would seem like a great choice -- but as soon as you get the next set, it will be physically bottlenecked by 16 lanes and you can't get more without changing the board.  IMO, it would suck to upgrade often and advise again such a gamble, but then you're reading a post from someone that prefers years apart each system upgrade.

    Good info here. Thanks for the insight.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 23:16:10 (permalink)
    nivekt
    It is also my understanding that Ivy Bridge's 22nm processors will be compatible with 1155 Mobo's. Everyone keeps calling them 2011's though. Does that mean that some of the functionality of the new CPU's will be limited by being placed in an 1155 mobo versus a reference 2011 board when they also arrive? Im obviously very confused here.
    FYI, this forum is mainly an enthusiast forum:  They spread confusion by simplification as if enthusiasts are independant of anything else Intel makes.
     
    Short version:
    The issue of which socket is simply a matter of which graphics cards used.  If you intend on a second 480 someday, LGA1155 is still a good fit; but not if you get a third 480 or some future high-end pair.  Higher CPU overclock will not compensate for not enough PCIe lanes.  LGA2011 has more lanes by default. 
      
    Long Version:
    There will be other Ivy Bridge processors in other sockets on other debut schedules.  For example, a CPU fitting into LGA2011 will have more features than one fitting into an LGA1155 socket, for a premium.  They won't physically fit in each other and Intel will separate the brandnames so you can tell which goes where.  For example, Core i7 900's only worked with X58, in single-LGA1366 boards.    
      
    Intel segmented high-end desktop away from mainstream as mentioned, into the server socket LGA1366 because the fact is we have more in common with them for our need for more memory bandwidth and PCIe land bandwidth.  So begining with Nehalem (and the Westmere shrink), their first generation "Core i" series used two sockets for the desktop CPU market.  This is being repeated with the second generation of "Core i" CPUs using the Sandy Bridge architecture, where LGA1155 holds mainstream variants limited to dual-channel DDR3 and 16 lanes of PCIe 2.0 while Intel will later debut a motherboard with a single LGA2011 socket for those that want quad-channel DDR3 and 40 lanes of PCIe 3.0 -- it is more future-proof, but not as affordable. 
     
    Ivy Bridge is like Sandy Bridge -- and Westmere and Nehalem and Penryn before it -- they are all just codenames for the entire architecture or shrink that Intel designs years in advance.  This technology is applied to all of Intel's processors regardless of brandname or which sockets they go into -- but they have their own schedules and separated by features useful to a target customer type whether by number of DDR3 channels, PCIe lanes, whether their chipsets have how many USB 3.0 or SATA 6Gbps port, or whatever.   In otherwords, there isn't just one CPU type called "Sandy Bridge" or "Ivy Bridge"; there's plenty.
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 23:20:36 (permalink)
    If you upgrade let me know what you want for that Q9650.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 23:25:59 (permalink)
     
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/20 23:46:12 (permalink)
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                     My 775 still owns. If it's not broken........      ;)

     
    So does mine!!


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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 01:58:43 (permalink)
    I went from S775 to 1366 and have never looked back. I don't imagine 1155 will be aPreviewny different. 
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 03:38:41 (permalink)
    nivektThank you for the input everyone. I have decided to hold off. The only factor in my equation that I failed to mention is that my current GPU is a GTX 480, instead of a GTX 295.0


    How in the Earth did you manage to stabilise your Q9650 at 4.05 on a 780i? That'd take 450 FSB and I doubt the board would be semi-stable at all considering that you got a quad and this was close to all I could get out of my old dualie.

    http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1271613

    I made it half-stable with 1X4 GB DDR2-1200 at some time but it wasn't worth it for the crashes, and I could have lived with 2 GB of RAM hence my XP X64, heh. Though, I keep paging file off now that I've 4 GB, I had to use it with 2 GB but it was alright because I had over 1.5 GB free on XP. I'd have been trumped on W7.

    Anyway, why do you want to change platforms if you have a Q9650 at 4.05 Ghz? That'd be enough for any new game. Just get this and SLi those babies. http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16814127502 You can't get any better than that for $300 to SLi, you'll get to use Afterburner and it sounds like MSI has added some extra High-C caps over the reference PCB!

    I got two 480's right now and I've seen %200 scalability in FurMark, it went from 80 to 160 FPS when I added the second card using 16X AA with high quality nV CP settings at 1920X1200. The difference in F.E.A.R was monstrous, it went from 150 FPS to 250 FPS avg. at 1920X1440 using 8X TR SS AA and all in-game settings maxed out with soft-shadows + 4X MS AA.

    F.E.A.R has always played well with multi-GPU's so you can see the massive difference in raw power as usual on that game, even with new cards.

    I'm running them off a Crosshair 2 Formula 780a with an X4 975 at 4.3 and they own. I don't know how I left this to the end but, you have to change your PSU even if you don't upgrade. That OCZ is a FSP Epsilon unit that'll end up with a horror story. See the "upgraded" version of the OEM of your unit here and decide on it's quality.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 06:36:33 (permalink)
    I upgraded from the same CPU to the exact one you mention, and I have noticed a massive performance differance. But now I do a lot of movie editing/processing.
    But I have noticed my games do run smoother, and that I can use higher graphics settings....(using a GTX 280).
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 12:16:09 (permalink)
    filthgrinder

    I upgraded from the same CPU to the exact one you mention, and I have noticed a massive performance differance. But now I do a lot of movie editing/processing.
    But I have noticed my games do run smoother, and that I can use higher graphics settings....(using a GTX 280).

     
    The only stressful use my PC sees is from gaming. Everything else I use it for is word processing, internet, etc. Just simple tasks.

    lehpron

    FYI, this forum is mainly an enthusiast forum:  They spread confusion by simplification as if enthusiasts are independant of anything else Intel makes.

    Short version:
    The issue of which socket is simply a matter of which graphics cards used.  If you intend on a second 480 someday, LGA1155 is still a good fit; but not if you get a third 480 or some future high-end pair.  Higher CPU overclock will not compensate for not enough PCIe lanes.  LGA2011 has more lanes by default. 
     
    Long Version:
    There will be other Ivy Bridge processors in other sockets on other debut schedules.  For example, a CPU fitting into LGA2011 will have more features than one fitting into an LGA1155 socket, for a premium.  They won't physically fit in each other and Intel will separate the brandnames so you can tell which goes where.  For example, Core i7 900's only worked with X58, in single-LGA1366 boards.    
     
    Intel segmented high-end desktop away from mainstream as mentioned, into the server socket LGA1366 because the fact is we have more in common with them for our need for more memory bandwidth and PCIe land bandwidth.  So begining with Nehalem (and the Westmere shrink), their first generation "Core i" series used two sockets for the desktop CPU market.  This is being repeated with the second generation of "Core i" CPUs using the Sandy Bridge architecture, where LGA1155 holds mainstream variants limited to dual-channel DDR3 and 16 lanes of PCIe 2.0 while Intel will later debut a motherboard with a single LGA2011 socket for those that want quad-channel DDR3 and 40 lanes of PCIe 3.0 -- it is more future-proof, but not as affordable. 

    Ivy Bridge is like Sandy Bridge -- and Westmere and Nehalem and Penryn before it -- they are all just codenames for the entire architecture or shrink that Intel designs years in advance.  This technology is applied to all of Intel's processors regardless of brandname or which sockets they go into -- but they have their own schedules and separated by features useful to a target customer type whether by number of DDR3 channels, PCIe lanes, whether their chipsets have how many USB 3.0 or SATA 6Gbps port, or whatever.   In otherwords, there isn't just one CPU type called "Sandy Bridge" or "Ivy Bridge"; there's plenty.

    Now I get it! Thanks lehpron!
    Teletuby

    If you upgrade let me know what you want for that Q9650.

    :) Looks like it may be a while until I do. 
     
    Johhny Doe
    How in the Earth did you manage to stabilise your Q9650 at 4.05 on a 780i? That'd take 450 FSB and I doubt the board would be semi-stable at all considering that you got a quad and this was close to all I could get out of my old dualie.

    http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1271613

    I made it half-stable with 1X4 GB DDR2-1200 at some time but it wasn't worth it for the crashes, and I could have lived with 2 GB of RAM hence my XP X64, heh. Though, I keep paging file off now that I've 4 GB, I had to use it with 2 GB but it was alright because I had over 1.5 GB free on XP. I'd have been trumped on W7.

    Anyway, why do you want to change platforms if you have a Q9650 at 4.05 Ghz? That'd be enough for any new game. Just get this and SLi those babies. http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16814127502 You can't get any better than that for $300 to SLi, you'll get to use Afterburner and it sounds like MSI has added some extra High-C caps over the reference PCB!

    I got two 480's right now and I've seen %200 scalability in FurMark, it went from 80 to 160 FPS when I added the second card using 16X AA with high quality nV CP settings at 1920X1200. The difference in F.E.A.R was monstrous, it went from 150 FPS to 250 FPS avg. at 1920X1440 using 8X TR SS AA and all in-game settings maxed out with soft-shadows + 4X MS AA.

    F.E.A.R has always played well with multi-GPU's so you can see the massive difference in raw power as usual on that game, even with new cards.

    I'm running them off a Crosshair 2 Formula 780a with an X4 975 at 4.3 and they own. I don't know how I left this to the end but, you have to change your PSU even if you don't upgrade. That OCZ is a FSP Epsilon unit that'll end up with a horror story. See the "upgraded" version of the OEM of your unit here and decide on it's quality.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/...op=Story2&reid=120

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    This is one of the best for the money.

    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16817256043

     
    Getting my OC was really easy. I have the FTW version of the board and it has solid state capacitors. Ive never had the problems with it that those with the regular 780i board have. 
     
    Wow, that pretty disheartening about the PSU. That review made me laugh at how ridiculously bad that PSU is. Are you sure mine is the same one? Its the OCZ EliteXstream 900w. I got a it about two years ago via RMA when my GameXstream 850w died on me. The 900w has never given me any problems. Obvisoulsy if I decided to go sli with another GTX 480 I would upgrade. Thanks for all the info and links. Much appreciated.

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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 13:50:59 (permalink)
    I'd say yes if you actually need it. If you're happy with your current setup, I see no reason to upgrade. Just my 2c.
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 13:56:24 (permalink)
    nivektGetting my OC was really easy. I have the FTW version of the board and it has solid state capacitors. Ive never had the problems with it that those with the regular 780i board have. 

    Wow, that pretty disheartening about the PSU. That review made me laugh at how ridiculously bad that PSU is. Are you sure mine is the same one? Its the OCZ EliteXstream 900w. I got a it about two years ago via RMA when my GameXstream 850w died on me. The 900w has never given me any problems. Obvisoulsy if I decided to go sli with another GTX 480 I would upgrade. Thanks for all the info and links. Much appreciated.


    Other non-ref 680i boards had solid caps too. The issue is in the chipset rather than the components used while making the mobo. I mean, I just can't see how you managed to stabilise it at that speed. I had a non-ref 780i board also, yet problems such as chipset overheating were unavoidable because 780i was the same thing as 680i with an NF 200 chip.

    Your old GXS was built on a similar platform as the Everest, that's why it died eh. But if you're sure that your new one an EliteXStream, then it must be 800W. I had a very similar unit, a SilverStone Olympia 800 before and it was an animal of a PSU. Olympia 1000W Evo is basically an updated revision of the EliteXStream 1000, so you can guess. It's a monster, and you're safer with SilverStone even if the units are based on similar Impervio platforms. :)
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    Re:Upgrade to LGA 1155 from LGA 775 or not? 2011/04/21 20:35:46 (permalink)
    Johhny Doe

    nivektGetting my OC was really easy. I have the FTW version of the board and it has solid state capacitors. Ive never had the problems with it that those with the regular 780i board have. 

    Wow, that pretty disheartening about the PSU. That review made me laugh at how ridiculously bad that PSU is. Are you sure mine is the same one? Its the OCZ EliteXstream 900w. I got a it about two years ago via RMA when my GameXstream 850w died on me. The 900w has never given me any problems. Obvisoulsy if I decided to go sli with another GTX 480 I would upgrade. Thanks for all the info and links. Much appreciated.


    Other non-ref 680i boards had solid caps too. The issue is in the chipset rather than the components used while making the mobo. I mean, I just can't see how you managed to stabilise it at that speed. I had a non-ref 780i board also, yet problems such as chipset overheating were unavoidable because 780i was the same thing as 680i with an NF 200 chip.

    Your old GXS was built on a similar platform as the Everest, that's why it died eh. But if you're sure that your new one an EliteXStream, then it must be 800W. I had a very similar unit, a SilverStone Olympia 800 before and it was an animal of a PSU. Olympia 1000W Evo is basically an updated revision of the EliteXStream 1000, so you can guess. It's a monster, and you're safer with SilverStone even if the units are based on similar Impervio platforms. :)

     
    Perhaps this is the reason why I've never had a problem OC'ing with this board: "The EVGA 780i FTW is an upgraded version of the reference 780i design which implements 8-phase power design, solid-state polymer capacitors, ferrite core chokes and a convection/liquid-based chipset heatsink. It's aimed at the higher-end overclocking enthusiasts. "
     
    As far as the PSU goes, I wasnt 100% certain exactly which model I had so I unscrewed it to get to the sticker and found that it is actually the GameXStream850. The EliteXstream 900 is the one that fried on me a couple years back. Do you know if the GameXStream is built with the same core components as those POS PSU's listed at  your link earlier?
     
    Also, if you would like me to post my bios settings for my CPU overclock to help you in any way I would be happy to do so. 
     
    Here is the link to my CPU-Z validation:  http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1780964
    post edited by nivekt - 2011/04/21 20:52:07

    Case: Corsair 600T White Special Edition     
    MOBO:Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3P         
    CPU: i5-2500K   (4.6ghz @ 1.344v)
    MEM: GSkill DDR3 1600mhz 2 x 4 GB       
    GPU: GTX 670 FTW Sig2
    PSU: OCZ GameXStream 850w      
     
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