Anarion

clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.

emsir

Anarion

clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.

What do you find to be inaccurate about their statement? The temperature sensor on graphics cards is for the GPU chip, and not the VRM or VRAM. Whatever temperature is read from the GPU chip does not reflect the thermal conditions of the VRAM and VRM.
 
I hope that a cool GPU means also cool VRM and VRAM, but without thermal pads to transfer the heat from them, there seems to be significant risk to those components.

shannonjpower
I replaced my vram pads today and the stock ones on the 1070ftw appear to be 1mm. I replaced them with 1.5mm and the new ones are ever so slightly thicker.

Thanks Shannon. That's very helpful. I suppose trying the 1.5mm first would be better (more pressure), but if anything bends, warps, whatever I'll then use the 1mm. I expect that 1.5 will be fine though, and probably stay with that. Doubt there will be warping lol. Cheers.

The status of thermal pads change, now says "pending shipment" but whats means? 1. The ship its coming 2. The ship is taking more time.

delicieuxz
 

gahelm

GFAFS
I told you day one, EVGA, playing with your customers will get you cornered and in full panic mod...didn't i?
 
Now to add some food for the thoughts i'll let statistical numbers do the talking (one may investigate if necessary):
 
Onsemi Reliability Data: NCP81382HMNTXG/NCP81382MNTXG
Without any mods 'being optional' ( aka Stock cards/no additional OC): VRMs Temps measured at 107°c to 114°c max
0.7eV - 107°c - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 7321258hrs - 78.98 FITS
0.7eV - 114°c - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 8603197hrs - 116.24 FITS
 
An imaginary card with properly contained VRM heat at 78°c (close to the market average):
0.7eV - 78°c - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 64869441hrs - 13.52 FITS 
 
The same can be done with the VRAM (temps are usually between -40°c ~95°c max for industrial grade, far less for commercial grade 0°c ~85°c max)

Why do your "Mean Time Between Failure" numbers go up with the higher temp?  Something is wrong with your stats dude....  Higher temps should mean more frequent failures thus your MTBF number should go down.  Higher MTBF = better, Lower MTBF = worse.  Not sure where this data is coming from or its relevance, just pointing out a problem.  Am I looking at your data wrong? 

I wondered the same as you, and I just looked up the data, and it appears to me that GFAFS quoted the wrong number for MTBF/MTTF at 107C. 12,660,980 hours is the actual figure, so you're right, the MTBF goes down from 107C to 114C.
 
The hours for the 78C example are also off, according to my verification with the link BFAFS provided.
 
http://www.onsemi.com/Pow...do?part=NCP81382HMNTXG
http://www.onsemi.com/Pow....do?part=NCP81382MNTXG
 
 
The corrected figures are:
 
An imaginary card with properly contained VRM heat at 78°c (close to the market average):
0.7eV - 78°c   - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 73,950,633 hours - 13.52 FITS
0.7eV - 107°c - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 12,660,980 hours - 78.98 FITS
0.7eV - 114°c - 90% confidence - MTBF/MTTF: 8,603,197 hours - 116.24 FITS
 
Does these numbers mean that one of these particular components operating at constant 107°c should last, on average, for 12,660,980 hours before failure? And what is a FITS?

My numbers are correct, yours too, you may check the formula and see that some values could change due to their randomized nature and error margin (fitness), but the FITS result remain the same (Failure In Time). 

delicieuxz

Omarlink
The status of thermal pads change, now says "pending shipment" but whats means? 1. The ship its coming 2. The ship is taking more time.

Where can I check to see the status of my thermal pads order?

Here 
 http ://www.evga.com/thermalmod/
 
 
 

Anarion

emsir

Anarion

owagpus

Anarion
This is somewhat annoying... The BIOS changed the fan speed so that now it's quite often between 1100 RPM and 1200 RPM. However... At that range fan motors makes somewhat annoying noise and it's much more audible than even at 1350 RPM.

So I didn't imagine it. My 1070SC has the same strange whirring noise at exactly 33% (1210rpm) in EVGA Precision. At 32% (1170rpm) and 34% (1240rpm) there's no noise. Very odd.
Thankfully on my card the fans remain below 1100rpm @64C, which is the max temp in the games I tested. Maybe because I have a sidemounted fan in my case pointed directly at the graphics card?

In my case it makes that annoying noise at 32% and 33%. So it looks like it's a "feature" of this particular fan.

Just update primary bios again and you will have 0rpm up to 55 degrees.

Huh? Firstly, non-FTW cards have only one BIOS. Secondly that's not the issue here...
 

emsir

Anarion

clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.

It sounds like you don't have a clue. VRM is, pretty much without exception (just check out any review that has  thermal camera images), the hottest part on any GPU. Often because AIBs do not cool that are properly. External thermal camera shots don't even tell the full story because backside of the PCB is definitely cooler than the actual VRMs on the other side.

That doesn't prove a thing. You have to post some documentation with a specific EVGA card where the VRM temps are at boiling point. You have no argument if it's just words. If words were documentation, I could say  I've been on Mars and it's freezing cold with temps around - 540 degrees.

Omarlink
The status of thermal pads change, now says "pending shipment" but whats means? 1. The ship its coming 2. The ship is taking more time.

Well I am not holding my breath. I ordered on Oct 25, and last time I checked it said, "awaiting shipment." Or very similar. I ended up finding the measurements of all pads inc. thickness of course and have bought my own.
I think EVGA have received a deluge of requests, so I guess that statement means, "Not shipped yet, and no idea when we will." Could be waiting aloooooonnngggg time.
Good luck getting them this month for what it's worth. 

Aristoc69
I hope evga is including one of these with every pad kit:

Why? Did you lose yours? :))

delicieuxz

emsir

Anarion

clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.

What do you find to be inaccurate about their statement? The temperature sensor on graphics cards is for the GPU chip, and not the VRM or VRAM. Whatever temperature is read from the GPU chip does not reflect the thermal conditions of the VRAM and VRM.
 
I hope that a cool GPU means also cool VRM and VRAM, but without thermal pads to transfer the heat from them, there seems to be significant risk to those components.

I've had my GTX 1070 FTW since September and played a lot of demanding games. No issues at all. So significant risk to components are not true. There haven't been 1 card with damaged VRM or VRAM. Nothing! And I think a lot of people with EVGA 10 series card are using agressive fan curve in Presicion X, and by that the card has no heat issue at all.  

emsir

Gawg36

Omarlink
The status of thermal pads change, now says "pending shipment" but whats means? 1. The ship its coming 2. The ship is taking more time.

Well I am not holding my breath. I ordered on Oct 25, and last time I checked it said, "awaiting shipment." Or very similar. I ended up finding the measurements of all pads inc. thickness of course and have bought my own.
I think EVGA have received a deluge of requests, so I guess that statement means, "Not shipped yet, and no idea when we will." Could be waiting aloooooonnngggg time.
Good luck getting them this month for what it's worth. 

Could you please post the measurements of all the pads?

Yeah. For the original 2 places, (Back plate, and above VRMs The back plate one is 2mm, the thin one above the VRMs in 1mm. But this is for the FTW which I have. The thickness is a bit different for non FTW. But, I know this thread is long, but the thickness of for all cards pads, of the first two fixes are posted several times in this thread. I recommend you check for yourself for piece of mind, and if your card is not FTW you will need to because I can't remember that. (doesn't apply to me.)
 
About the recent additional pads, the ones which are stuck or put onto the VRAMS themselves this is pretty new. I haven't seen definitive measurements from EVGA (I may have missed it, but I think not.)
Several people have measured and the consensus for the vrams is 1.5mm to be safe. 1 mm would probably be fine and each card will have tiny differences so I have ordered 1.5mm for the VRAMS. If it's tight, I don't see it as a problem. They will be compressed and at max they would only be a fraction of a mm to thick. Best thing is to read through here and decide about VRAM pads yourself, I am only expressing an opinion.
But, the measurements for the other two are clear and easy to find in this massive thread.
Just for the heck of it I list what I am doing. (FTW only). Large one backplate 2mm. Thin one above VRMS/mosfets 1mm. The VRAMS themselves are below that and it's a new finding so I am going with 1.5mm for them. I have spare 1mm in case it is too thick, but several people have already done the new VRAM mod and they all used 1.5mm from reading most of the posts on this massive thread.
Don't take my word for it though. I know I am right about the first two (one thick pad and one thin one) Not 100% about the new issue of VRAMS, and I am only referring to the FTW. Obvious but worth saying - the original thermal pad kit contained pads for two places. The new ones (starting a day or two ago?) are for another place. So, doing everything will require a BIOS update, and application of thermal pads on three seperate places, not the original two. Does that help?

emsir

delicieuxz

emsir

Anarion

clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.

What do you find to be inaccurate about their statement? The temperature sensor on graphics cards is for the GPU chip, and not the VRM or VRAM. Whatever temperature is read from the GPU chip does not reflect the thermal conditions of the VRAM and VRM.
 
I hope that a cool GPU means also cool VRM and VRAM, but without thermal pads to transfer the heat from them, there seems to be significant risk to those components.

I've had my GTX 1070 FTW since September and played a lot of demanding games. No issues at all. So significant risk to components are not true. There haven't been 1 card with damaged VRM or VRAM. Nothing! And I think a lot of people with EVGA 10 series card are using agressive fan curve in Presicion X, and by that the card has no heat issue at all.  

LOL. That doesn't mean your VRM are wouldn't be running at >100c. When VRM fails, it usually fails without any warnings. Massive majority just installs the card and doesn't install Presicion X let alone use custom fan curve. I don't use Presicion X, I use Afterburner and it doesn't have any preset fancurves. Besides, the aggressive one in Presicion X is loud as hell judging by screenshots that people post.
 
The worse the case cooling, the bigger the problem. Especially if you do not do anything to the card. If everything was completely fine EVGA wouldn't kindly ship those thermal pads and update BIOSes.

I just recently installed the new bios but the fan curve didn't appear to change on the primary BIOS, is this supposed to happen?  The fans do not move at low temps but I thought that with the update they would.

Gawg36

emsir

Gawg36

Omarlink
The status of thermal pads change, now says "pending shipment" but whats means? 1. The ship its coming 2. The ship is taking more time.

Well I am not holding my breath. I ordered on Oct 25, and last time I checked it said, "awaiting shipment." Or very similar. I ended up finding the measurements of all pads inc. thickness of course and have bought my own.
I think EVGA have received a deluge of requests, so I guess that statement means, "Not shipped yet, and no idea when we will." Could be waiting aloooooonnngggg time.
Good luck getting them this month for what it's worth. 

Could you please post the measurements of all the pads?

Yeah. For the original 2 places, (Back plate, and above VRMs The back plate one is 2mm, the thin one above the VRMs in 1mm. But this is for the FTW which I have. The thickness is a bit different for non FTW. But, I know this thread is long, but the thickness of for all cards pads, of the first two fixes are posted several times in this thread. I recommend you check for yourself for piece of mind, and if your card is not FTW you will need to because I can't remember that. (doesn't apply to me.)
 
About the recent additional pads, the ones which are stuck or put onto the VRAMS themselves this is pretty new. I haven't seen definitive measurements from EVGA (I may have missed it, but I think not.)
Several people have measured and the consensus for the vrams is 1.5mm to be safe. 1 mm would probably be fine and each card will have tiny differences so I have ordered 1.5mm for the VRAMS. If it's tight, I don't see it as a problem. They will be compressed and at max they would only be a fraction of a mm to thick. Best thing is to read through here and decide about VRAM pads yourself, I am only expressing an opinion.
But, the measurements for the other two are clear and easy to find in this massive thread.
Just for the heck of it I list what I am doing. (FTW only). Large one backplate 2mm. Thin one above VRMS/mosfets 1mm. The VRAMS themselves are below that and it's a new finding so I am going with 1.5mm for them. I have spare 1mm in case it is too thick, but several people have already done the new VRAM mod and they all used 1.5mm from reading most of the posts on this massive thread.
Don't take my word for it though. I know I am right about the first two (one thick pad and one thin one) Not 100% about the new issue of VRAMS, and I am only referring to the FTW. Obvious but worth saying - the original thermal pad kit contained pads for two places. The new ones (starting a day or two ago?) are for another place. So, doing everything will require a BIOS update, and application of thermal pads on three seperate places, not the original two. Does that help?

I think its better buy the pads because is taking so a long time to ship this, i really sorry for EVGA because the next time i buy some graphic card the last option will be EVGA. 

So I tested the new BIOS for the 1080 ACX 3.0 and I think this is not acceptable. Running Heaven the fans spun at ~1250rpm at 20°C room temperature, with the new BIOS they go up to 2050rpm. This is clearly audible when not using headphones. 800rpm more is way too much imho.
 
I went back to the original BIOS and will wait for the thermalmod pads to arrive. Could we get a less noisy BIOS for the cards with the thermal mod in place please? (Say 73°C at around 1600-1700 rpm?)