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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Treadripper looks promising, indeed!
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results. 
They should have included a Windows reboot time benchmark, so we know how long we have to wait to switch from production mode to gaming mode and start playing. Seriously, the price/performance ratio of TR is very good and I'm sure that will benefit us all, but I think Intel's i9-7920X (12c) is going to have same or better results than the 1950X (16c). All other Intel units will just increase the gap.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 14:22:03
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They should have included a Windows reboot time benchmark, so we know how long we have to wait to switch from production mode to gaming mode and start playing.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 14:52:19
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as many reviewers have stated, threadripper wasn't being marketed as a gaming CPU first, and lets be honest if you think you need more than 6 cores for gaming you're just trying to pad your forum sig. I may end up buying one just so I can get rid of my two Dell r720's I have for my home lab and opt to just get a 1920x and 64GB of ram and use it as a lab/gaming rig.
You cannot deny the price to performance ratio and I'm all for AMD succeeding to make intel lower their insane prices. Anyone hoping AMD fails is foolish.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 15:38:58
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Man this chip would have been an all out slam dunk if NVME raid was supported day 1.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 16:17:17
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Almost no one likes Intel's NVMe RAID solution and few people use NVMe RAID. It's not a deal breaker.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 17:24:56
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
I hope this was a joke, it would speak volumes about your insight on CPUs and the different markets for each type of CPU. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think its safe to say TR and other high-end CPUs like the 7900 are not for gamers but for Pro users. I think its also safe to say anyone who would use a $1,000 CPU for a gaming machine also has a 4K display. Its would be like Benching a pair of GTX1080Ti in 1080p.... not relevant. I think the comeback of AMD has been great, Intel is pushing some new products and AMD will counter, its about time the industry moved ahead.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 17:59:19
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Competition is good for the consumer and I'm all for AMD getting back into the game. Hopefully they can do the same with their GPU line eventually. These GPU prices are utterly insane these days.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 18:37:03
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I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
That all you ever think about? If gaming...GAMING...is Ryzen's only drawback it's a relatively inane argument. Particularly since this drawback only affects results at 1080p. Generally the Ryzen core has excelled and its price/performance ratio is attractive. However, if you're unhappy with 1080p gaming performance because the R7 is only able to deliver 90 fps instead of 120 fps, despite requiring only 60 fps for smooth game play, by all means, go ahead and overpay for an Intel chip. And why are you even scrutinizing Threadripper's 1080p gaming performance? Buying TR or Intel's X series cpu's for gaming at 1080p is the equivalent of buying a Lamborghini for off-roading. But I did notice one thing. You never fail to spawn when an AMD shortcoming materializes on a review website. The most trivial of performance aspects seems to draw your attention but all beneficial attributes can only belong to Intel. You and your amazing mind, yet again. 1080p gaming...This kid.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 20:43:20
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That all you ever think about?
Yeah, I use my pc for gaming. panzlock
And why are you even scrutinizing Threadripper's 1080p gaming performance?
Because I want to see how strong the cpu is in a tough draw call situation.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 21:17:15
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I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
That all you ever think about? If gaming...GAMING...is Ryzen's only drawback it's a relatively inane argument. Particularly since this drawback only affects results at 1080p. Generally the Ryzen core has excelled and its price/performance ratio is attractive. However, if you're unhappy with 1080p gaming performance because the R7 is only able to deliver 90 fps instead of 120 fps, despite requiring only 60 fps for smooth game play, by all means, go ahead and overpay for an Intel chip.
And why are you even scrutinizing Threadripper's 1080p gaming performance? Buying TR or Intel's X series cpu's for gaming at 1080p is the equivalent of buying a Lamborghini for off-roading. But I did notice one thing. You never fail to spawn when an AMD shortcoming materializes on a review website. The most trivial of performance aspects seems to draw your attention but all beneficial attributes can only belong to Intel. You and your amazing mind, yet again.
1080p gaming...This kid.
You're forgetting that we have graphics cards capable of delivering well-over 100FPS in many games at 2560x1440 and even 3440x1440. We have 165Hz 2560x1440 displays on the market, as well as 100Hz 3440x1440. We even have 200Hz 3440x1440 on the way. As a Titan XP owner, I'm hitting that 100FPS mark in most of the games I play, including Battlefield 1, Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Rocket League, etc, all at 3440x1440. A Ryzen CPU will bottleneck me in all of those games for the exact same reasons it bottlenecks many graphics configurations at 1920x1080. You seem to be downplaying Ryzen's poor gaming performance as if its irrelevant. You have to keep in mind that 99 percent of PC owners won't benefit from 6 cores, let alone 8 cores. A Pentium would be more than enough for most people if they aren't into modern gaming. If you're a modern gamer, it makes a lot more sense to consider a 7700K rather than an R7 1700. Even if you do professional tasks, simply stating "Ryzen is better because it has more cores for a cheaper price" is misguided. Not all professional tasks favor more cores over single-threaded performance. For example, if you spend a lot of time finding numeric solutions to a massive system, many of the computational methods available will only run on one thread due to the recursive nature of these methods. Hence, not all professional tasks can be run in parallel with multiple workers (cores). Your example with the Lambo is also not a very good one. There are so many professional applications that simply won't benefit from Threadripper. Gaming is certainly one of them and for someone like Sajin who wants a CPU that can do it all without any compromises, Threadripper isn't a good product for him. Criticizing him because he highlighted a use case that is extremely relevant on these forums because it hurt your feelings is simply nonsensical and you should know better.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/10 23:46:01
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
The problem is the game not Threadripper. The RYZEN family Zen architecture hasn't been out long enough for game developers to optimize performance.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
The problem is the game not Threadripper. The RYZEN family Zen architecture hasn't been out long enough for game developers to optimize performance.
Did you forget about this?
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/11 11:00:14
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You're forgetting that we have graphics cards capable of delivering well-over 100FPS in many games at 2560x1440 and even 3440x1440. We have 165Hz 2560x1440 displays on the market, as well as 100Hz 3440x1440. We even have 200Hz 3440x1440 on the way. As a Titan XP owner, I'm hitting that 100FPS mark in most of the games I play, including Battlefield 1, Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Rocket League, etc, all at 3440x1440. A Ryzen CPU will bottleneck me in all of those games for the exact same reasons it bottlenecks many graphics configurations at 1920x1080.
You seem to be downplaying Ryzen's poor gaming performance as if its irrelevant. You have to keep in mind that 99 percent of PC owners won't benefit from 6 cores, let alone 8 cores. A Pentium would be more than enough for most people if they aren't into modern gaming. If you're a modern gamer, it makes a lot more sense to consider a 7700K rather than an R7 1700. Even if you do professional tasks, simply stating "Ryzen is better because it has more cores for a cheaper price" is misguided. Not all professional tasks favor more cores over single-threaded performance. For example, if you spend a lot of time finding numeric solutions to a massive system, many of the computational methods available will only run on one thread due to the recursive nature of these methods. Hence, not all professional tasks can be run in parallel with multiple workers (cores).
Your example with the Lambo is also not a very good one. There are so many professional applications that simply won't benefit from Threadripper. Gaming is certainly one of them and for someone like Sajin who wants a CPU that can do it all without any compromises, Threadripper isn't a good product for him. Criticizing him because he highlighted a use case that is extremely relevant on these forums because it hurt your feelings is simply nonsensical and you should know better.
I'm not forgetting that. The R7's also perform better at higher resolutions. And since we're on the subject nobody needs a 144Hz monitor. That's an unnecessary luxury. But if you get one and want to maintain parity between refresh rate and fps then get a 7700K. Question here is, why would you??? Particularly, as Saijin himself pointed out, the majority of the world still games at 1080p. I am downplaying it because it is not a significant relevance. It's GAMING. You are playing GAMES. A drop in fps will not hinder your family life and you certainly won't be cast into exile. R7 performance in games under various resolutions is nothing remarkable, but these chips are still capable performers. Intel's new Coffee Lake lineup will have 6 cores. And I never stated that more cores for less money is better. Bulldozer has proven that. However, reviews of Ryzen compared to the i5/i7 have been favourable toward AMD under typical workloads. ...Buying Threadripper or Skylake-X series CPU's strictly for gaming is...stupid. Just like buying a supercar for off-roading purposes (You see the correlation now?). And this was not a good example because.........? gridironcpj
Criticizing him because he highlighted a use case that is extremely relevant on these forums because it hurt your feelings is simply nonsensical and you should know better.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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Everything else aside (and I have a Ryzen 1700X system) the new AMD cpus do not allow the gpu (at least the 1080ti) to run as fast as they do with Intel cpus. How do I know this? Because I ran the same benchmark with the same OC settings on my gpu and look at the difference in results. The M.2 drive is the same, the GPU is the same in both tests. Memory went from 16gb DDR3 2400 to 16GB DDR4 @2933mhz. Ryzen 1700X: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4614235I-7 4790K: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3267780 Firstrike with 1700X: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13220440Firestrike with 4790K: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12173697 Compared: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/13220440/fs/12173697 My point here is that by looking at the graphics score you can see that even with an older Intel cpu that the same gpu gets better results. Yes, it's not a huge difference, but in some games it will seem like it. No, that's not the purpose of the Threadripper or Ryzen 8 cores, gaming only, but right now the cpus are not allowing the gpu to run at their full potential, at least compared to Intel cpus. Am I unhappy with that? No. Overall it's a much better computing experience for me, but in some games it feels like a letdown that's all.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/11 15:51:57
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
What does gaming have to do with this thread?
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/11 18:44:29
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Sajin
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
What does gaming have to do with this thread?
OMG, we said Threadripper is not good for gaming. The world is going to fall apart.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/11 20:44:36
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OMG, we said Threadripper is not good for gaming. The world is going to fall apart. Nothing wrong with noting lack luster gaming performance-- on the condition of low resolution displays and a single graphics card; but if you're spending so much on a system, are you holding yourself back with such components in order to justify HEDT platforms aren't any different than Client platforms? The "wrong" comes from disregarding the significance any other use than gaming just because that's all someone does. Doing so is by definition narrow-minded because everything else is being blocked out in order for the opinion (while based on fact) to be valid. It would, however, also reveal bias against Threadripper if Core i9 wasn't also called out for supposed pitiful gaming performance. Thing is, we've had 4-threaded processors for 12 years, so all games have been developed with them in mind optimally. It isn't the fault of higher-core count hardware that have been out-of-reach of most folks due to MRSP if modern games don't use the cores. It will be a while, but then gaming isn't all there is to do on a computer-- and that's what this is about. The question is, do those of you ripping on Threadripper (no pun intended) for not being good at gaming recognize and accept that gaming isn't everything?
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/11 22:39:27
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The question is, do those of you ripping on Threadripper (no pun intended) for not being good at gaming recognize and accept that gaming isn't everything?
Of course.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
The problem is the game not Threadripper. The RYZEN family Zen architecture hasn't been out long enough for game developers to optimize performance.
Did you forget about this?
That is one game. All game studios need to do the same.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/12 00:33:20
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
The problem is the game not Threadripper. The RYZEN family Zen architecture hasn't been out long enough for game developers to optimize performance.
Did you forget about this?
That is one game. All game studios need to do the same.
Thing is games run just fine for current games out now but in the future games could make use of the extra threads and see a nice improvement. With Intel having the i9 series I think it's safe to see at E3 the future will show games making use of more and more threads so I feel it's a safe bet.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/12 02:18:43
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/16
Gotta love those 1080p results.
*facepalm* People are actually comparing a 32 thread CPU on a single threaded game at 1080p? So many irrelevant situations I donno where to begin.
I'd say it's pretty relevant since most people game at 1080p. Threadripper just doesn't get it done in the gaming department just like Ryzen 7.
The problem is the game not Threadripper. The RYZEN family Zen architecture hasn't been out long enough for game developers to optimize performance.
Did you forget about this?
That is one game. All game studios need to do the same.
Thing is games run just fine for current games out now but in the future games could make use of the extra threads and see a nice improvement. With Intel having the i9 series I think it's safe to see at E3 the future will show games making use of more and more threads so I feel it's a safe bet.
Right now multi-core CPUs are the only way to go in my opinion.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
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redleader00
OMG, we said Threadripper is not good for gaming. The world is going to fall apart.
Nothing wrong with noting lack luster gaming performance-- on the condition of low resolution displays and a single graphics card; but if you're spending so much on a system, are you holding yourself back with such components in order to justify HEDT platforms aren't any different than Client platforms?
The "wrong" comes from disregarding the significance any other use than gaming just because that's all someone does. Doing so is by definition narrow-minded because everything else is being blocked out in order for the opinion (while based on fact) to be valid. It would, however, also reveal bias against Threadripper if Core i9 wasn't also called out for supposed pitiful gaming performance.
I think there is misunderstanding here. My reply was for Brad_Hawthorne because he said this (that you removed from the quote): Brad_Hawthorne
What does gaming have to do with this thread?
I did not disregard anything about Threadripper. Just replied to someone that said that TR gaming performance is not relevant in this thread. Maybe it is not for him, but it is for others (myself, for example). On the other side, I will use a 2-4 virtual machines concurrently a lot and I will play games, but I'm probably never going to use Blender. I do not come here and say "Blender benchmarks are not relevant for this thread". Maybe you will want to rephrase your argument and direct it to Brad. lehpron
Thing is, we've had 4-threaded processors for 12 years, so all games have been developed with them in mind optimally. It isn't the fault of higher-core count hardware that have been out-of-reach of most folks due to MRSP if modern games don't use the cores. It will be a while, but then gaming isn't all there is to do on a computer-- and that's what this is about.
The question is, do those of you ripping on Threadripper (no pun intended) for not being good at gaming recognize and accept that gaming isn't everything?
You might want to take a look at the Steam Hardware Survey. In july 97,98% of PCs (used for gaming, but maybe not for gaming only) had 4 or less cores. That means 2% have more. Did most of the games get optimized for 6, 8, 10 ... etc cores? Guess we can agree they didn't. Looking at the survey, what do we expect people will buy in the next months (maybe years)? Something that is in the same price range. What is that? i7-7800K or Ryzen 1700-1800X. So 4/6/8 cores processors. It will take years before the number of 6/8 core PCs are a significant portion of the gaming user base. So, for 6/8 cores, gaming optimization will be better in the mid term, but probably not for 10/12/16c. Those will still be the 2% of the gaming market. All that been said, I can't see many developers taking the time to optimize for TR gaming more than they have been doing for 6/8c processors until now. That means, not much. TR is significantly more complex than previous processors because of the zen 2 dies. Communication between cores in different dies is much slower. So much that it can cause stutter in games. Stutter while gaming completely sucks. That's why TRs gaming mode disables 1 of the zen dies. So, again, for someone that wants to game on and HEDT platform (and I know if you buy HEDT you will probably be doing more than just gaming), this information about TR is very relevant.
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