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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/12 12:47:40
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It still boggles my mind that people are drilling down their focus on gaming when talking about Threadripper. It's almost like people do not understand that gaming is largely single threaded computationally. You don't buy a 32 thread processor to play GTAV. Threadripper looks to be an excellent CPU to do things like video production and Photoshop though. This is a workstation level CPU by design.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/12 14:32:51
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Brad_Hawthorne
It still boggles my mind that people are drilling down their focus on gaming when talking about Threadripper. It's almost like people do not understand that gaming is largely single threaded computationally. You don't buy a 32 thread processor to play GTAV. Threadripper looks to be an excellent CPU to do things like video production and Photoshop though. This is a workstation level CPU by design.
AMD advertises TR as a gaming cpu too.  I will avoid TR because of its gaming performance. An intel i9-7900X or 7920X (10c or 12c) will be better overall for my virtual machines and gaming. If I were only going to use my system for VMs I would probably go with TR 1950X (16c at aprox. the same price as the 10c-12c i9s). That's why gaming performance is important.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/12 15:39:14
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Brad_HawthorneWhat does gaming have to do with this thread?
I did not disregard anything about Threadripper. Just replied to someone that said that TR gaming performance is not relevant in this thread. Maybe it is not for him, but it is for others (myself, for example). To judge mega-core HEDT on gaming requires knowing what conditions generated poor results, and see if they make sense typically. Gaming with max details puts so much load on the graphics card that you don't really need more than one active CPU core, just have it run really fast. HEDT isn't aimed at single-threaded use cases while providing more cores that happen to run at lower frequencies, although Intel has hedged their bets by raising Turbo Boost compared to older HEDT, as if a slower Intel core against a faster Zen-based core would be an issue. What sucks is that both AMD and Intel relegate PCIe lanes to higher core-count processors-- which generates incentive to buy HEDT if you want more PCIe lanes. It isn't an error if HEDT doesn't appear to cater to the majority that's settled for less, per Steam's monthly hardware surveys. Fact is, if you have two 1080 Ti's, 1080p will bottleneck, but going for 1440p/2160p puts you into a minority fraction of the market. Shouldn't it make sense to judge HEDT on the 2% of the market that gets more than average? That's where Brad is coming from. But I hear what you're saying the sense that if you're a hardcore gamer getting much more than most folks for graphics and display, no sense in getting a quad-core limited to 16-lanes-- that's the only way gaming is relevant to Threadripper, it isn't for everyone.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 00:21:36
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It still boggles my mind that people are drilling down their focus on gaming when talking about Threadripper. It's almost like people do not understand that gaming is largely single threaded computationally. You don't buy a 32 thread processor to play GTAV. Threadripper looks to be an excellent CPU to do things like video production and Photoshop though. This is a workstation level CPU by design.
Maybe you are right, if someone think specific on games better to buy i7 Coffee Lake with 6 cores and 4.7 GHz frequency. And i9-7900X single threaded results are good after OC.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 02:41:59
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The CPU you decide to use whether from Intel or AMD depends on your needs and budget. If you're heavily into multi-tasking so you need a lot of threads but you also game then maybe Threadripper is for you. If you don't multi-task and primarily game then maybe RYZEN or Intel is a solution.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 07:34:10
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Some of you are looking at this the wrong way. Saying that Intel isn't good for multitasking is crazy. Not everyone needs more than eight cores for multitasking. I've been multitasking on my i7 920 since I bought it, no problems. If you're processing several heavy calculating apps at once, sure the i9 or TR will benefit and the 920 will bog down fast. However, I don't just game. I am also productive - also graphic design and used it for CAD in the past. To this day, CPU's have come a long way since the first generation i7 920. Sure, if you need those extra cores and threads for the type of work you're doing all at once, by all means consider those higher-end CPU's. Saying that nothing else is good for multitasking isn't right. Even the i3-7100, a 3.9 GHz dual-core CPU with four threads, you would be surprised what it can do and not just for basic browsing and light gaming. I've sold a few of these systems I've prepped and they are very capable. As expected, a lot of people on these types of forums are looking for the "best" but even several current generation weaker CPU's suit quite well for multitasking.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 10:58:37
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I'm in love with the 1920x and its 12 cores, but I think I will pass on it. Now I'm using my dual system (see sig) for all my current needs (gaming, hosting private game servers for friends and some VM work). For the price of the 1920x, I think I can buy a Ryzen processor, mobo and 16 gigs of RAM and PSU. I can use my current GTX1080 on the Ryzen build, and put my old GT720 in the server to have monitor output, and use the dual socket pc for work and game server hosting. I only need better single thread performance for gaming, and for me (I live in the sandy bridge era at 3.2Ghz  ) a Ryzen build is a perfectly fine upgrade (I play at 1440p with an Ultra Wide monitor in mind... lol, so no 1080p bottlenecks for me).
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 11:15:22
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It still boggles my mind that people are drilling down their focus on gaming when talking about Threadripper. It's almost like people do not understand that gaming is largely single threaded computationally. You don't buy a 32 thread processor to play GTAV. Threadripper looks to be an excellent CPU to do things like video production and Photoshop though. This is a workstation level CPU by design.
You're right, but it's all about the ego (of an enthusiast!?). For example, my i7 is still a powerhouse and I'm thankful for that because I paid no crazy-Intel-prize for it, but people want what they want. No matter what.  Edit:...
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 12:04:50
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Many people is very sad because EVGA not make X399 Classified motherboard. Even NVIDIA agree that Threadripper + GTX1080Ti are excellent combination...  Intel is in big problem. Not because he can't compare with AMD, Intel still dominate core vs core and power consumption is similar. Intel lost because owners of i7-6800K, i7-6850K, i7-6900K, i7-6950X, i7-7800X, i7-7820X, i9-7820X and people who planed to buy 8th generation could buy faster processor for same price. The worse situation is because Intel completely made mistake with i7-7800X and i7-7820X with thermal paste and PCI-E lanes and price, with i9-7900X only price look bad. Their plan is somehow to force people to buy i7-7820X or better i9-7900X. Intel forgot that people who paid so much and overprice product do that because their CPU is 20% faster at least in any situation. Now performance of their overprice Skylake-X look very bad compare to cheaper AMD in most famous CPU benchmarks where Intel dominate years over AMD. No matter how much cores have, it's only important how fast is for 1000$ or 500$, nothing else. If we need to overprice something than we should overprice i9-7890X for 1200$. And i9-7900X should drop price on half because it's slower than 1920X worth 700$ and look bad compare to Threadripper, anything look bad except 16 and 18 cores i9.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 12:27:59
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The biggest fun will be when Intel burn 500-700$ worth motherboards trying to increase clock on 14-16-18 cores model and power consumption jump 100W over AMD. I would not surprise even if 16 core Intel without proper clock fail to beat 1950X.
They think about that and prepared 18C/36T model on time, they are not stupid...
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 12:29:40
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Even NVIDIA agree that Threadripper + GTX1080Ti are excellent combination...
Really? An "excellent combination" better than a Threadripper and a RX Vega!? Edit: But one thing's for sure, Intel has thrown their (greedy) brains out of the window. But thx to AMD they will catch it again and AMD is only that generous because there is no other way back into the market. And all of this happened before and will happen again.
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Re: Threadripper release day - reviews and news
2017/08/13 16:09:52
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Vlada011
Even NVIDIA agree that Threadripper + GTX1080Ti are excellent combination...
Really? An "excellent combination" better than a Threadripper and a RX Vega!?
Edit: But one thing's for sure, Intel has thrown their (greedy) brains out of the window. But thx to AMD they will catch it again and AMD is only that generous because there is no other way back into the market. And all of this happened before and will happen again.
For me not, AMD CPU with Radeon GPU. Intel CPU with Radeon GPU is OK, but AMD CPU and GeForce for me is ... I don't know. 
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