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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 04, 2010 2:38 AM (permalink)
Well I did it to my 3 GTX 470's SC, with AC5, I think it's went down a few C have to experiment some.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 04, 2010 7:43 PM (permalink)
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can i use  OCZ freeze? say thermal extreme conductivity



you want high thermal conductivity.

it's any kind of electrical conductivity that you don't want.

ocz freeze isn't half bad.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 04, 2010 7:50 PM (permalink)
OCZ Freeze is great.  Not electrically conductive or capacitive, no curing time required, thin/easy to spread and it performs slightly better than Arctic Cooling MX-2 from my testing.  Other reviews praise it and show how good it is.  Both of these as well as AC MX-3 and many other pastes are aluminum oxide based.

Since the GTX 480 has an HDT cooler, you want a thicker paste to fill all of the gaps in the base.  So I would go with Arctic Cooling MX-3, but IC Diamond 7/24 and one of those expensive Shin Etsu pastes are a good choice.


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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:41 AM (permalink)
Did one of my 480s last night still not to sure if I noticed a difference yet. I moved all my components to a new case and redid one of the 480s during the process. Both cards are idling at lower temps but this may be due to the new case. 

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GPU 1 @ 62C idle at 44%
GPU 2 @ 53C idle at 44%

Gpu 1 is the one i redid but its also directly above Gpu 2 my guess as to why it maybe running warmer.









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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:50 PM (permalink)
Not too bad. Build looks good.

Again, not everyone will see an appreciable change. It really depends primarily on the thickness of the original TIM, if the heatsink is making full contact over the surface area of the chip, your application of the new TIM, and how well you cleaned the surfaces before reapplying.

Even if you don't have better temps, you now no longer have to worry about the original TIM drying out and getting chunky and useless.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Saturday, June 05, 2010 3:35 PM (permalink)
Hi guys need little help what is the thermalright vga cooler for 480gtx i read is this but i see 2 the hr-03gt and hr-03gtx and i can use in sli ? or wait for more options thank you!!
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:26 PM (permalink)
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Hi guys need little help what is the thermalright vga cooler for 480gtx i read is this but i see 2 the hr-03gt and hr-03gtx and i can use in sli ? or wait for more options thank you!!


you might want to make this it's own thread if you want/need help still.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:08 PM (permalink)
Which thermal paste would be best to replace the stock paste? I have extra AS5 and i have OCZ Freeze on order (going to replace the AS5 on my cpu). Which should i use with my GTX 480's or should i look into a different type?

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:17 PM (permalink)
Of the two you have, use OCZ Freeze.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:47 PM (permalink)
I'll have to update my post with new temps now that this stuff has had some time to set.  It doesn't need this long to set, I've just been preoccupied.
 
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:35 PM (permalink)
Let me just try to save people some time - don't bother. I know we all sat back and laughed at the sloppy thick goop job the factory people did, but frankly the joke's on us, because applying new "premium" paste does absolutely nothing to help.

I've done it on three GTX 470s using Ceramique or Freeze, using X-pattern, dot, and spread methods, and it made no difference or negligible difference.
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:57 PM (permalink)
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Let me just try to save people some time - don't bother. I know we all sat back and laughed at the sloppy thick goop job the factory people did, but frankly the joke's on us, because applying new "premium" paste does absolutely nothing to help.

I've done it on three GTX 470s using Ceramique or Freeze, using X-pattern, dot, and spread methods, and it made no difference or negligible difference.



Yeah, the jokes on you. As I said, I only recommended this for user's experiencing a known differential in temperature between similar cards (i.e. same voltage, etc).


In my particular case, my original 480 at 1.038v ran 10-12*C hotter consistently than my other original GTX 480 at 1.075v.


Replacing the TIM lower the temps on the original 480 to parity with the 2nd card ~10*C. Both cards, once normalized, showed a drop of about 3-4*C at idle.


I also stated many times that I also have excellent air flow and case management. Clearly, this isn't for everyone. For those that it is for, this is how to do it. Sorry it didn't work out for you.


I also wouldn't consider Ceramique or Freeze to be "premium". They're good but not mind-blowing.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 11, 2010 6:51 AM (permalink)
sorry to jump ahead. but for people up to speed on replacing TIM.

Is it hit and miss? does it always help? or is it not worth the effort?

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 11, 2010 8:59 AM (permalink)
I believe it depends on how long its been used. The longer you use the stock TIM the worse it gets. Thus, you might see a minimal difference at first but it should remain at that temp where as the old one will increase in temp over time.
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 11, 2010 9:48 AM (permalink)
Nice Guide..
Will look at doing my 2 x 470's

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 11, 2010 3:56 PM (permalink)

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Let me just try to save people some time - don't bother. I know we all sat back and laughed at the sloppy thick goop job the factory people did, but frankly the joke's on us, because applying new "premium" paste does absolutely nothing to help. 

I've done it on three GTX 470s using Ceramique or Freeze, using X-pattern, dot, and spread methods, and it made no difference or negligible difference. 
 
Yeah, the jokes on you. As I said, I only recommended this for user's experiencing a known differential in temperature between similar cards (i.e. same voltage, etc). 


In my particular case, my original 480 at 1.038v ran 10-12*C hotter consistently than my other original GTX 480 at 1.075v. 


Replacing the TIM lower the temps on the original 480 to parity with the 2nd card ~10*C. Both cards, once normalized, showed a drop of about 3-4*C at idle. 


I also stated many times that I also have excellent air flow and case management. Clearly, this isn't for everyone. For those that it is for, this is how to do it. Sorry it didn't work out for you. 


I also wouldn't consider Ceramique or Freeze to be "premium". They're good but not mind-blowing. 
 


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sorry to jump ahead. but for people up to speed on replacing TIM.

Is it hit and miss? does it always help? or is it not worth the effort?

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It's hit and miss. For me it made about a 1-2° C difference.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Friday, June 11, 2010 4:06 PM (permalink)
Yeah it's REALLY hit and miss.

But like has been mentioned -- as the stock TIM ages/cycles between hot/cold it tends to get hard and brittle. It looses some of its malleability.

This typically causes temperatures over time, 6 months appears to be the norm, to begin to rise. Replacing the TIM at that point is a little difficult to remove/scrap but to each his own.

If temps are fine and stay fine then nothing to worry about.

What prompted me to do the write-up was simply that EVGA Customer Service instructed me to replace the TIM on the 480 that averaged 10*C hotter than the other one regardless of whether it was the primary or secondary in SLI and regardless of PCIe slot location.

So that's how we ended up with this thread. As you can see -- it worked great for me. Had I not had a card running hot my total difference would be only a few degrees. But still -- it may be worth it to some for a better OC.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:37 PM (permalink)
Nice guide, thanks! Nice to see the sink removal only pertains to the GPU and not the heat pads. Very easy job.

I replaced the stock TIM with MX-2........the factory job was an ugly mess, just like the earlier photos. Looks like the guy at the factory had a mess on his hands too as evidenced by his fingerprints everywhere. I sent his prints to the FBI for good measure (just kidding!)

MX-2 is so easy to work with, use it on all my processors.

Using a well ventilated CM 590 case, not seeing much of an improvement in temps, 3-4 C at most, but never hurts to try and this job was too easy not to try it.

I saw a youtube video of a kid that that was doing a complete removal of the 480 cooling system. He had to remove 17 screws and deal with all those heat pads. No freaking way would I do that.

Anyway, thanks........
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:40 PM (permalink)
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Nice guide, thanks! Nice to see the sink removal only pertains to the GPU and not the heat pads. Very easy job.

I replaced the stock TIM with MX-2........the factory job was an ugly mess, just like the earlier photos. Looks like the guy at the factory had a mess on his hands too as evidenced by his fingerprints everywhere. I sent his prints to the FBI for good measure (just kidding!)

MX-2 is so easy to work with, use it on all my processors.

Using a well ventilated CM 590 case, not seeing much of an improvement in temps, 3-4 C at most, but never hurts to try and this job was too easy not to try it.

I saw a youtube video of a kid that that was doing a complete removal of the 480 cooling system. He had to remove 17 screws and deal with all those heat pads. No freaking way would I do that.

Anyway, thanks........


I'm glad it helped... every degree is beneficial especially over time as the factory paste degrades quickly by comparison.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:55 PM (permalink)
so does anyone know what the stock paste is? Probably some pretty decent stuff.....surely nVidia engineers can't be that stupid with the 480 could they?
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 0:21 PM (permalink)
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I personally think it would be a better idea to apply the paste to the cooler than the core. This would make it easier to work it into the cracks, as by comparison the core is pretty flat.
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 0:48 PM (permalink)
I ordered myself two 480+ and alone with my HAF X. Plan on redoing my rig this weekend. I am thankful for this, because I plan on redoing my thermal paste on mines before even installing.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 0:59 PM (permalink)
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Let me just try to save people some time - don't bother. I know we all sat back and laughed at the sloppy thick goop job the factory people did, but frankly the joke's on us, because applying new "premium" paste does absolutely nothing to help.

I've done it on three GTX 470s using Ceramique or Freeze, using X-pattern, dot, and spread methods, and it made no difference or negligible difference.


WOW!! i dont even know where to start!! first off, people who know me here know that i pretty much never come on and attack peoples posts, cause frankly i dont like when its done to me....but in this case i have to make a exception!!! this has to be the squarely stupidest comment ive EVER seen at this forum!! it was actually so stupid that i logged in just to reply to it!! secondly, to address the nvidia factory job, yes its a absoulute shame the way they gob the TIM in and it drools all down the side of the chips when they crush it in. obviously, thats not good. the factory is not gonna pay to put the best TIM on these chips, especially at the enthusiast end like a 480 or 470 cause they know were gonna dismantle these cards. its just the way it is. were enthusiasts. its what we do. we put water blox on, we volt mod, we sand the chips and sinks etc etc etc... and all of it shaves a degree or two or 10 off the bottom line. thats why i dont have to rma my cards and you do!! ive always teared them down, redid all factory hack jobs with g-cards and mobos as soon as i get them, before any electicity even goes thru them, and ive yet to rma a thing!! ive rmaed hdd's and psu's but nothing else. so youre either not doing something right or not doing it at all...and making a baseless post. it really burns me up when i see lazy people with no vision make posts like this to discourage others from trying things out. this is what you get when people with money spend it on parts they dont know what to do with!!! end of rant and commence youre regularly programmed schedule..... \m/ 

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 AM (permalink)
Well said mills. Only 1 post to a thousand as well.
You are right about the enthusiast part, since it is really only the enthusiasts that care enough about every part being maxed, and still coolER than usual. Also, i am with you on no RMA (why did i say that... like saying NE^ER), because unless one messes up severely, things will stay cooler and last longer. It is the way of electronics. People love to post before researching, or to mislead others.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 2:16 AM (permalink)
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Well said mills. Only 1 post to a thousand as well.
You are right about the enthusiast part, since it is really only the enthusiasts that care enough about every part being maxed, and still coolER than usual. Also, i am with you on no RMA (why did i say that... like saying NE^ER), because unless one messes up severely, things will stay cooler and last longer. It is the way of electronics. People love to post before researching, or to mislead others.

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 7:06 PM (permalink)
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Well said mills. Only 1 post to a thousand as well.
You are right about the enthusiast part, since it is really only the enthusiasts that care enough about every part being maxed, and still coolER than usual. Also, i am with you on no RMA (why did i say that... like saying NE^ER), because unless one messes up severely, things will stay cooler and last longer. It is the way of electronics. People love to post before researching, or to mislead others.

thanx man!! yeah i didnt want to mention the rma thing either!!! lol... but i couldnt stop myself. i think theres only been maybe 3 or 4 posts outta my whole 1000 in 5 years that ive freaked out and ranted cause of another post. i really hate when people discourage innovation, experimentation, customization etc... how else are we gonna push these manufacturers?  \m/


Yep... well-said guys.
 
Most of us know that these cards are made by the thousands on an assembly line. The TIM is probably put on with something that looks like the machine they use at McDonalds to put the mustard and ketchup on the burgers  so the consistency is going to be all over the place. I, for one have not bought my GTX480 YET, but appreciate the heck out of guys like mwparrish putting up guides like this.
(Well done by the way "MW") great pictures too.
 
It will be a lot easier that re-doing the TIM on my GTX295 !
 
By the way.... has anyone tried lapping the cooler on the 480??
 

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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 8:55 PM (permalink)
I've been playing around with temperature management with my 480 and have come to the conclusion that the fan speed of the 480 and case cooling will have a much greater effect on cooling than TIM will ever have.

I have just started to use Speedfan to control my case fan speeds and MSI Afterburner to control the 480 fan speed.

My idle temp after the new setup is 51C (45% speed) and load temp is 69C (75% speed) Intake air temp for my PC is 84F.

Not using Speedfan and or Afterburner (just letting the driver manage the fan speed) resulted in temps of 64C idle and 90C load under the same conditions.

The increased noise is not too bad either, but the temperatures are affected greatly.
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Monday, June 21, 2010 10:53 PM (permalink)
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Well said mills. Only 1 post to a thousand as well.
You are right about the enthusiast part, since it is really only the enthusiasts that care enough about every part being maxed, and still coolER than usual. Also, i am with you on no RMA (why did i say that... like saying NE^ER), because unless one messes up severely, things will stay cooler and last longer. It is the way of electronics. People love to post before researching, or to mislead others.

thanx man!! yeah i didnt want to mention the rma thing either!!! lol... but i couldnt stop myself. i think theres only been maybe 3 or 4 posts outta my whole 1000 in 5 years that ive freaked out and ranted cause of another post. i really hate when people discourage innovation, experimentation, customization etc... how else are we gonna push these manufacturers?  \m/


Yep... well-said guys.
 
Most of us know that these cards are made by the thousands on an assembly line. The TIM is probably put on with something that looks like the machine they use at McDonalds to put the mustard and ketchup on the burgers  so the consistency is going to be all over the place. I, for one have not bought my GTX480 YET, but appreciate the heck out of guys like mwparrish putting up guides like this.
(Well done by the way "MW") great pictures too.
 
It will be a lot easier that re-doing the TIM on my GTX295 !
 
By the way.... has anyone tried lapping the cooler on the 480??
 


Well, if you have the sandwich card, it is a bit more difficult. It took me quite a bit of time to find all of the screws holding it in, and two of the oned that hold the expansion slot plate are very difficult to get the right angle. Also, it is basically a Mc Donalds ketchup spewer (blobber more like it). I say the machines on How its Made a while back, and they do not look to apetizing or precise.


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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:39 PM (permalink)
Just chiming into to say I am extremely glad I decided to do this.  My top card was idling at almost 80 deg c! at about 50-55% fan speed too. Which seems like a hell of a lot for anything but keep in mind I am running dual monitors which keeps it from underclocking fully (memory idles at full like this...annoying but that;s what they deem necessary).  Under the conditions I was testing it got up to 86+ and about 70% fan speed.

Changed the tim with some mx-2 and under the same load it gets to 79 deg with 55% fan speed.

idles at 74 with 48% fan speed.

Quite happy I decided to do this, the noise was annoying


Once I get the high flow bracket and backplate, the fermi will be tamed.
post edited by Wazooty - Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:43 PM
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Re:TIM Replacement - GTX 480s - DIY How To Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:24 PM (permalink)
Glad to hear it helped!

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