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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/10/31 17:49:42 (permalink)
In terms of comparison: The only difference is clock speed. The Core i9-14900K can boost to 6GHz out of the box, while the Core i9-13900K tops out at 5.8GHz. In addition, the Core i9-14900K comes with a 200MHz boost to both the base and boost clock speeds of the performance cores and efficiency cores.

Unless there are other differences, the Z790 Dark / Z790 Classified is still a very good MB for 13900K or KF or KS variant.

Given that LGA1700 is the last for 13th/14th Gen CPUs , LGA 1851 is an upcoming socket for Arrow Lake-S desktop processors and Lunar Lake-S desktop processors, and EVGA might not make another motherboard, might as well use it for the 13th Gen.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/10/31 19:13:33 (permalink)
So I currently am running the 14900k on the Classified. It's a great chip if you can cool it and it works quite well, with a few caveats.
 
1. Some major stutters when trying to run very intensive games. Possibly a BIOS issue relating to Intel Thread Director stuff?
2. Semi-consistent disconnect of external USB peripherals. Kinda annoying but usually resolves itself soon after.
3. Adaptive voltages are messed up. Def a BIOS/Microcode issue.
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 04:55:30 (permalink)
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Thoughts?

I think that there are three pages of people saying that they don't care if the 14th gen Intel isn't a worthwhile upgrade from 13th gen in anyone's opinion, they just want what EVGA promised, while others bought the board and the chip and don't have a 13th gen chip to fall back on.
 
I think that EVGA will not make another motherboard, and EVGA should provide the support that they committed to providing, for the sake of the misled buyers.  I think EVGA management is too proud to admit how much the company has declined.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 05:15:59 (permalink)
Guys this will be killer BIOS release, since they are really putting hours into it and testing it! That is why is taking so long.
 


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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 06:43:04 (permalink)
 
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 07:00:30 (permalink)
I remember when I used to be able to PM EVGA' Lee M a question about motherboard BIOS, features, or if something was being worked on...and I would get a reply and/or he'd come in here and help people or at least provide an update. Same goes for sending Jacob a message. Ah, the good old days.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 07:15:02 (permalink)
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I remember when I used to be able to PM EVGA' Lee M a question about motherboard BIOS, features, or if something was being worked on...and I would get a reply and/or he'd come in here and help people or at least provide an update. Same goes for sending Jacob a message. Ah, the good old days.

Yeah Lee was always very helpful to me too. Above and beyond, consistently.
 


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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/01 16:43:52 (permalink)
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I had been away from this Forum too long and when I saw the price drop on Amazon I purchased a Z790 Classified. I was waiting for a new case too, so the board sat sealed. By the time I came here looknig for a new Bios upgrade I was outside the Amazon return window. 
I am going to try and ask but I doubt Amazon will budge. I love always loved Evga for the service, updates etc. but those days are over... Here's hoping I can return it, if not I will use it and just get something to work,
not like I will have any choice now will I...


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I got Lucky!! Amazon refunded me 100% for my Classified even though I was about a week out of my return window given it was sealed in a box and never touched. For the money, while it might not be the best there is, the Asrock Z790 Nova is looking like a super feature packed Motherboard for UNDER $300. I have seen ZERO signs of life in EVGA and spending a LOT less now lets me save for other things! I hope everyone is wrong about about EVGA but it's NOT looking good for the home team... 

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/03 16:28:46 (permalink)
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For the money, while it might not be the best there is, the Asrock Z790 Nova is looking like a super feature packed Motherboard for UNDER $300.




I was looking at that one too. Until I realized it does not have dual bios or bios flashback.
Make sure you're willing to accept that.
So strange because the board has such great features.
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/03 22:36:19 (permalink)
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For the money, while it might not be the best there is, the Asrock Z790 Nova is looking like a super feature packed Motherboard for UNDER $300.




I was looking at that one too. Until I realized it does not have dual bios or bios flashback.
Make sure you're willing to accept that.
So strange because the board has such great features.




TBH even the Classified is a better board but with no Bios in the foreseeable future and maybe even ZERO warranty support I decided to return and chose another. 
It really is hard choosing another board... 

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 13:09:12 (permalink)
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It really is hard choosing another board... 


It's pretty easy, Shamino who made EVGA's motherboards amazing that Andrew Han chased away by pissing him off for a fault he brought to Andrew Hans attention that Andrew said ship anyways then snapped on him.... Well Shamino went to ASUS and its how their motherboards became so amazing all of a sudden. Well ASUS has gotten Shamino out of retirement and hes back at ASUS. So there you have it. Want a pure OCers board? Get the new ASUS Gen II Apex z790.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 13:34:27 (permalink)
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It really is hard choosing another board... 

It's pretty easy, Shamino who made EVGA's motherboards amazing that Andrew Han chased away by pissing him off for a fault he brought to Andrew Hans attention that Andrew said ship anyways then snapped on him.... Well Shamino went to ASUS and its how their motherboards became so amazing all of a sudden. Well ASUS has gotten Shamino out of retirement and hes back at ASUS. So there you have it. Want a pure OCers board? Get the new ASUS Gen II Apex z790.

Good info, thanks! I believe Shamino was responsible for EVGA's X58 motherboards - one of the most solid platforms from EVGA imho. I remember when he left because of Andrew. Wow that CEO must be a real jerk.
 
 


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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 14:15:54 (permalink)
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It really is hard choosing another board... 


It's pretty easy, Shamino who made EVGA's motherboards amazing that Andrew Han chased away by pissing him off for a fault he brought to Andrew Hans attention that Andrew said ship anyways then snapped on him.... Well Shamino went to ASUS and its how their motherboards became so amazing all of a sudden. Well ASUS has gotten Shamino out of retirement and hes back at ASUS. So there you have it. Want a pure OCers board? Get the new ASUS Gen II Apex z790.


 
I follow Buildzoid (Actually Hardcore overclocking), and his feelings are very plain. Do not overpay for a MB. I didn't pay anywhere near $649 (price of the Asus APEX on Newegg currently) for my 790Z Classified and usually don't pay over $400 for any MB, it's usually a bit less. I paid like $465 for the Classified as an exception to the rule as I had Amazon Credit card points. I am not a pure over clocker either, I do okay for a bit of OCing and I like my stable rig. I also have had Asus MBs and other Asus products and most have had issues within their warranty period, and it was h@ll on earth getting Asus to honor warranties and even get good tech support! Maybe that has changed but I had one their upper end routers die in 6 months about a year or 2 ago and it was a HUGE hassle even with the receipt and registering it. They make great stuff when it works, just like most MB makers. Evga USE to be special with their tech support, warranty service and quality products. Unfortunately, those days are a by gone era. 
 
For anyone interested, I bought a combo package of $838 for the Asrock Nova and the Intel 14900K from Microcenter matching Newegg. Is the Asrock Nova a super world beater? WcfTech says its a good value! I have never bought a TOTL MB or CPU in recent memory.
I am aware of the Nova's Bios limitations, and I can live with them. I am sure the Asus Z790 APEX II is an amazing MB but I paid around $250 for the Nova, is the APEX over 2.5x better? Maybe to a PURE overclocker, which I am not. I just want a stable FAST running rig, I am NOT going to break any world records! Just my thoughts and I am not trying to upset anyone. The APEX II looks like an amazing MB, it just isn't for me. I truly do wish I could have kept my Z790 Classified knowing 100% it would get updates etc. but I am not that trusting a guy these days...
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 14:52:39 (permalink)
I would still rather have a board designed & supported by Shamino. That is just me, if you are not a pure overclocker, go with a Rog Strix Z790-E or a TUF Z790 DDR5 if you want budget.  Not crazy about ASRock boards.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 15:35:45 (permalink)
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I would still rather have a board designed & supported by Shamino. That is just me, if you are not a pure overclocker, go with a Rog Strix Z790-E or a TUF Z790 DDR5 if you want budget.  Not crazy about ASRock boards.

Asus boards except Z790 Apex are underwhelming and suffering from various problems
even Z690 APEX was defective crap designed by Shamino, Asus scammed a lot of people with this board and quickly EOL them
they didn't inform customers, they didn't apologize, they just kept quiet






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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 16:11:10 (permalink)
Like EVGA is quiet now and just waiting for this "BIOS support for 14th gen" noise to pass :)

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 16:14:47 (permalink)
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Like EVGA is quiet now and just waiting for this "BIOS support for 14th gen" noise to pass :)

EVGA is dead while Asus is alive and still selling defective motherboards
two big differences
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 17:50:08 (permalink)
Did some Cinebench testing. Interestingly enough, getting quite a bit lower on the scores. Max was around 2000 on 24 and near 36000 on r23.
On an 5.6 All core OC and PL1/PL2 at 360 watts.
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 18:19:43 (permalink)
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I would still rather have a board designed & supported by Shamino. That is just me, if you are not a pure overclocker, go with a Rog Strix Z790-E or a TUF Z790 DDR5 if you want budget.  Not crazy about ASRock boards.


 
Asrock Taichi Boards are VERY well regarded. Look no one makes the perfect board, I bought the warranty from Microcenter, and they are really nice about honoring things. I can only hope the Nova is a good board. It has good reviews so far, it's got a ton of nice
features, perfect it's not. This will be the first time I haven't used an EVGA MB since BEFORE my Evga X58 FTW board way back in the day. I have used several Tyan and Supermicro server boards and NEVER had a problem. I've built Asrock MB systems for a few
people and NEVER had any issues, who knows I may be the first, thought I hope not! I guess I will know soon enough, I just have to stop working so many hours... 
 
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/07 19:17:32 (permalink)
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Like EVGA is quiet now and just waiting for this "BIOS support for 14th gen" noise to pass :)

EVGA is dead while Asus is alive and still selling defective motherboards
two big differences


That was due to a manufacturing defect someone not setting up the assembly line correctly If I remember correctly a chip that was put on wrong that was not Shamino FYI, that was someone at the plant not double checking, a lot of products had manufacturing issues that year, Gigabyte psu's, motherboards with cheap capacitors/resistors, bad vram to bad vram install on 30 series cards, auto manufacturers screwing the pooch on quality. 
z790 boards are rock solid, their gen II z790 boards have been rock solid and one has the world records right now. So I would say Shamino is doing a great job. 

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/08 10:45:10 (permalink)
Absurd that we don't have a 14th gen bios yet, but @EVGA_RMA_JaysonC is happy to jump in right away and reply to scrubs in the power supplies section of the forum. So does anyone at EVGA have a spinal cord stiff enough to give us a proper clear message regarding 14th gen bios update for supported mobos?
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/08 11:34:52 (permalink)
The EVGA staff that post in the forums still have no ETA; all they know is that "people are looking into it". My personal belief is that they also don't know if it will happen. The people that may know whether an update is possible don't post here and have not communicated any plan as of yet to those that do.
 
So there's no clear message because there's no clear plan. If I had to guess, they've reached out to some people about contracting someone to do a one-off update because we've asked for it and they no longer employ anybody who does that. Whether or not management approves whatever quote they get back (if they get one at all) is anybody's guess. Just to be clear, everything but the first sentence of this post is my conjecture. 

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/08 12:25:05 (permalink)
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Absurd that we don't have a 14th gen bios yet, but @EVGA_RMA_JaysonC is happy to jump in right away and reply to scrubs in the power supplies section of the forum. So does anyone at EVGA have a spinal cord stiff enough to give us a proper clear message regarding 14th gen bios update for supported mobos?


My guess is that support stuff got instructions not to comment anything regarding Z690 and Z790 motherboards, since they don't have motherboard department anymore and they cannot provide any software or technical support.

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/09 11:21:44 (permalink)
As I said above, I really didn't want to return my Classified MB as it is an awesome design with a high build quality, but I felt I had no choice. There will be no guaranteed updates as needed, which includes tech support as well as Bios updates, it makes the MB not perform @100% all the time. I don't want to get into what's going on to EVGA as a whole, but it's not looking good, which is a shame! As they say silence speaks volumes. I am sure the people remaining at EVGA feel horrible too as it is out of their hands...

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/11 15:56:25 (permalink)

 

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/11 19:42:18 (permalink)
Nothing has changed.  Same answer 3 weeks ago.  Words are empty without action.  They don't even have the confidence to come here and provide additional public reassurance.  Are they afraid that it will fall through?  Are they afraid that their contractors will fail or ask for too much money?

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/12 08:39:30 (permalink)
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At least they used the word "Once" instead of "if."

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/12 08:58:55 (permalink)
Yes EVGA is aware and there is no ETA yet

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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/12 09:55:32 (permalink)
Guess I'm going with the i9-13900KS for now then. 
Let's hope that EVGA gets that update out before the amazon return window of January 31st closes. lol
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Re: Support for 14th Intel CPUs 2023/11/12 15:20:51 (permalink)
[quote=ilukeberry] I have Z790 Classified still sealed...EVGA C'MON!
 
At the local computer show this past weekend, overheard people looking for EVGA Z790 KP MBs and naturally for a real bargain. Now that the word on the street about EVGA’s future and its financial reality being as bleak as our economy and our inflation still running amok. I just tanked-up with my last $20 bill at Beverly Center here in LA and paid $6.70 per gallon. As to the timely BIOS service nobody here really caring nor complaining about the 14th generation update. I will probably put my 7-months old EVGA Z790 MB on the market in the next 30-days and throw-in the OS, CPU, RAM and NVME’s for good measure and for a quick sale. Meanwhile stuffing into the case with what’s leftover from my stashed 4-generations ago hobbled together hardware. I always loved EVGA products and they have never let me down. But in today’s world and EVGA being practically in no mans land, I need a solid 4-5 years on my MB with 100% OEM support and a fully guaranteed extended warranty in place. Indeed I will soon be taking a big $$$ hit, but by still living in Moms basement, having unlimited refrigerator rights, no overhead and frequent homemade Apple pie…life is good. Perhaps 2024 will be even better for me with lots of overtime and Mom sneaking me a few bucks on the side? Now of course the question remains what should I buy the next time around?  
 
 
 
post edited by Tom Sunday - 2023/11/12 15:39:12

>Case: Cosmos C700M EATX >PSU: Seasonic TX-1300 Titanium 12VHPWR >MB: EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin >CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K >Storage: (2X) SAMSUNG 990 PRO 2TB >1X) SAMSUNG 990 PRO 4TB >GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 >Cooling: Noctua NH-D15S Dual-Tower NF-A15 PWM 140mm >Case Fans: (7X) Noctua NF-A12x25 120mm >RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR5 (2x32GB) 6000 MHz >Monitor: Alienware AW3821DW QHD 3840x1600 >OS: WIN 11 Professional  
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