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When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
I started with the Z590 for a motherboard, and a nice EVGA power supply, and was going to add a graphics card with the DIY configurator, but I soon learned of the existence of this queue system - I was thinking about getting a RTX3080 of some sort since I have a 1080 SC2 now, and don't really want to go "back" to the '70s, if you know what I mean.
If I could, I'd likely buy the 3897-KL right now, with a 3895-KR as my second choice. Should I go ahead and buy the other components of the system and hope I can join the queue "soon", or should I wait until I can get all the EVGA parts (including the video card) at once using the DIY configurator? My need to upgrade isn't urgent, but my current mobo and CPU appear to be the performance bottleneck on my system now that I have a Samsung 27 inch Gsync curved 1440 monitor.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 16:09:09
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I suggest you get the graphics card in hand first then start buying everything else. doing your way will leave you sitting on parts as they age.
By the time you get something Z690 might be sitting there and i9-12900ks. Gen 5 everything.
an alternative would be to scan the marketplace for guys unloading z490 combos and buy some time that way. and save $.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 16:10:27
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That's what I did, once I had a graphics card I bought the rest of the stuff.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 16:24:11
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I would buy the gpu first your cpu is capable of 118 fps+ at 1440 with an RTX 3080. Just do not give into the scalpers. Scummy behavior should never be rewarded 
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 16:28:55
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MightionNY
When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
I started with the Z590 for a motherboard, and a nice EVGA power supply, and was going to add a graphics card with the DIY configurator, but I soon learned of the existence of this queue system - I was thinking about getting a RTX3080 of some sort since I have a 1080 SC2 now, and don't really want to go "back" to the '70s, if you know what I mean.
If I could, I'd likely buy the 3897-KL right now, with a 3895-KR as my second choice. Should I go ahead and buy the other components of the system and hope I can join the queue "soon", or should I wait until I can get all the EVGA parts (including the video card) at once using the DIY configurator? My need to upgrade isn't urgent, but my current mobo and CPU appear to be the performance bottleneck on my system now that I have a Samsung 27 inch Gsync curved 1440 monitor.
FWIW, Windows tell me that my brand new system (see sig) is incompatible... not really putting a lot of faith in them right now. Nobody knows when the EVGA queue will open up. They also have B-Stock drops at random times... but they go faster than you can click (assuming you can access the site). It is a bad time to get started down the path. GL on your journey 
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 17:00:52
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MightionNY
When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
I started with the Z590 for a motherboard, and a nice EVGA power supply, and was going to add a graphics card with the DIY configurator, but I soon learned of the existence of this queue system - I was thinking about getting a RTX3080 of some sort since I have a 1080 SC2 now, and don't really want to go "back" to the '70s, if you know what I mean.
If I could, I'd likely buy the 3897-KL right now, with a 3895-KR as my second choice. Should I go ahead and buy the other components of the system and hope I can join the queue "soon", or should I wait until I can get all the EVGA parts (including the video card) at once using the DIY configurator? My need to upgrade isn't urgent, but my current mobo and CPU appear to be the performance bottleneck on my system now that I have a Samsung 27 inch Gsync curved 1440 monitor.
I would not hold out hope of entering the queue. I think that the queue will not open back up at all because by the time the current queue is satisfied the shortage will be over and you will simply be able to purchase a card. I know it seems like that day will never come, but it will. Cards are being manufactured and more and more people who want a card are getting them and eventually demand will even out. Not saying that's going to happen soon, but it will happen.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 17:53:08
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Might have better luck just buying a prebuilt at this point.Stepup and the queue is at almost a year wait time as I see it.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 19:11:53
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staypuft
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When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
I started with the Z590 for a motherboard, and a nice EVGA power supply, and was going to add a graphics card with the DIY configurator, but I soon learned of the existence of this queue system - I was thinking about getting a RTX3080 of some sort since I have a 1080 SC2 now, and don't really want to go "back" to the '70s, if you know what I mean.
If I could, I'd likely buy the 3897-KL right now, with a 3895-KR as my second choice. Should I go ahead and buy the other components of the system and hope I can join the queue "soon", or should I wait until I can get all the EVGA parts (including the video card) at once using the DIY configurator? My need to upgrade isn't urgent, but my current mobo and CPU appear to be the performance bottleneck on my system now that I have a Samsung 27 inch Gsync curved 1440 monitor.
FWIW, Windows tell me that my brand new system (see sig) is incompatible... not really putting a lot of faith in them right now.
Nobody knows when the EVGA queue will open up. They also have B-Stock drops at random times... but they go faster than you can click (assuming you can access the site). It is a bad time to get started down the path.
GL on your journey
I did a check on my PC as well and the only thing that was not compatible was that TPM 2.0 was not enabled on my MB (Asus Z390, i7 9700k). I checked my BIOS and there was an option to enable TPM 2.0.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 20:03:29
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rblaes_99A whole lotta common sense in this post.Theres other venues for fps and power consumption
I suggest you get the graphics card in hand first then start buying everything else. doing your way will leave you sitting on parts as they age.
By the time you get something Z690 might be sitting there and i9-12900ks. Gen 5 everything.
an alternative would be to scan the marketplace for guys unloading z490 combos and buy some time that way. and save $.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/12 21:37:36
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Register for the NewEgg shuffle too, that's how I got my 3080Ti.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 05:48:34
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Why in gods name would anyone want to run Windows 11 right now? I'm thinking late '22 or '23 might be good time to install W11, if you're a thrill seeker. Otherwise wait until 2025 when they have the bugs worked out.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 05:59:38
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 06:09:25
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Why in gods name would anyone want to run Windows 11 right now? I'm thinking late '22 or '23 might be good time to install W11, if you're a thrill seeker. Otherwise wait until 2025 when they have the bugs worked out.
11 runs great for me. 0 issues.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 06:42:55
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rblaes_99
11 runs great for me. 0 issues.
You're not seeing any performance hits? I've been reading that people have noticed a dip in FPS when gaming using Win11.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 06:45:30
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nope. 3dmark /timespy/port royal went up too.
I am only aware of FPS dips with people on AMD.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 07:00:46
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I would hold off on buying a cpu for now Intel's Alder lake is coming out at end of month and AMD has a 7000 series chip coming Q1 2022, I would grab a video card for now if you can.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 07:13:54
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OP what does W11 give you that W10 isn't already providing?
This is the main question you should answer to yourself before starting to spend money if you're budget conscious. Think you're starting with the wrong point on why you want to build a new PC, especially in this period where the GPU's are sky high priced.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 07:34:38
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I would hold off on buying a cpu for now Intel's Alder lake is coming out at end of month and AMD has a 7000 series chip coming Q1 2022, I would grab a video card for now if you can.
I totally agree with this. Since you upgraded to a 2K monitor, it seems your current card (1080) is the bottleneck and not the CPU and MOBO. AlexisRO
OP what does W11 give you that W10 isn't already providing?
This is the main question you should answer to yourself before starting to spend money if you're budget conscious. Think you're starting with the wrong point on why you want to build a new PC, especially in this period where the GPU's are sky high priced.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 07:38:29
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When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
I started with the Z590 for a motherboard, and a nice EVGA power supply, and was going to add a graphics card with the DIY configurator, but I soon learned of the existence of this queue system - I was thinking about getting a RTX3080 of some sort since I have a 1080 SC2 now, and don't really want to go "back" to the '70s, if you know what I mean.
If I could, I'd likely buy the 3897-KL right now, with a 3895-KR as my second choice. Should I go ahead and buy the other components of the system and hope I can join the queue "soon", or should I wait until I can get all the EVGA parts (including the video card) at once using the DIY configurator? My need to upgrade isn't urgent, but my current mobo and CPU appear to be the performance bottleneck on my system now that I have a Samsung 27 inch Gsync curved 1440 monitor.
FWIW, Windows tell me that my brand new system (see sig) is incompatible... not really putting a lot of faith in them right now.
Nobody knows when the EVGA queue will open up. They also have B-Stock drops at random times... but they go faster than you can click (assuming you can access the site). It is a bad time to get started down the path.
GL on your journey
If you have a brand new system more than likely your TPM is not enabled in the BIOs if Windows 11 tells you your system is not compatible. Many of the new BIOs updates for motherboards triggers the TPM to be enabled by default.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 08:00:18
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I just upgraded from a 5820k this year. It was overclocked to 4.2GHz all-core and was still slightly bottlenecking my 2080 Super at 1440p. Not a lot, but some. You can see that here. For some reason, my GPU was more stable at higher clocks on the new system, even though it was in the same case and had the same temps/airflow. Is that 2-5% noticeable and worth the upgrade? Not by itself, but I knew I wanted to get a new GPU. So currently I'd say Epal2Apol and others are right that currently your GPU is the bottleneck, but as soon as you upgrade that, the CPU is next lol. Also, if you're looking at z590 and 11900k, let me warn you about thermals. It only performs like this if you put serious cooling on it and run it at 5.2-5.3GHz. If you're not planning massive cooling, I wouldn't recommend this CPU. I am curious to see the cooling requirements of Alder Lake, which is just around the corner. There's always something "just around the corner", but Alder Lake actually does look promising. If you're not interested in the cost of DDR5, you can also still consider an x570 build (EVGA is supposed to have an x570 FTW board out this month actually), and go for one of the 5000x-series refreshes. Those should still be on the x570(s) platform and will be excellent for gaming. There's talk of a 3D-vcache version launching in the very near future (within a couple months)in 2022 and there's also talk of a "refresh"/XT type launch a few months after that to tide the market over until Zen4 at the end of 2022 (current projections anyway). If I were to build a system in the next couple months, I'd see if I could snag an EVGA x570s FTW and a 5900x-3D-vcache (not sure what these will be called lol) or even the 5800x-3D. Either one would make an excellent gaming rig to last quite a while. (edit, just finding out those are now 2022, maybe I'd snag a 5800X to tide me over until the 5900X-3D launches, it's still a great gaming CPU, especially if you spend some time tuning the PBO2 features). And with all of that said, I have to agree with rblaes_99's first post there that you should get a GPU before you do anything else. That will be the hardest thing to buy and hold up everything else. It is also the biggest performance boost you'll get from any of the upgrades.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 08:00:20
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As someone who went incremental last year, definitely get a GPU first. Different GPUs are different lengths and may affect case selection and PSU selection and subsequently radiator positioning and sizing, maximum RAM heat sink height, vertical mount vs horizontal etc etc
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 19:31:16
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I'm thinking resolution and your monitors refresh rate are you planning a different monitor what are you using.?
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 20:02:59
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Why in gods name would anyone want to run Windows 11 right now? I'm thinking late '22 or '23 might be good time to install W11, if you're a thrill seeker. Otherwise wait until 2025 when they have the bugs worked out.
11 runs great for me. 0 issues.
Good for you. I run W10E 1809 LTSC which came out in 2018.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 20:15:28
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I was thinking while I wait for the queue to open up/disappear about trying to find a new desk that doesn't limit me to a max case height of 17.5 inches, though the new case I found does have enough room for a 3080 to fit with ease.
As for CPU, I've got it narrowed down to the i9-11900KF vs the i7-11700KF. I'll probably be using one of EVGA's AIO closed loop coolers for whichever I choose. I haven't overclocked a CPU since my Celeron 333!
So yeah, I'm gonna wait until an EVGA 3080 or more becomes available; problem is now I've got the new computer itch and that's a beast that can only be fed; never ignored. :D
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 20:40:26
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I was thinking while I wait for the queue to open up/disappear about trying to find a new desk that doesn't limit me to a max case height of 17.5 inches, though the new case I found does have enough room for a 3080 to fit with ease.
As for CPU, I've got it narrowed down to the i9-11900KF vs the i7-11700KF. I'll probably be using one of EVGA's AIO closed loop coolers for whichever I choose. I haven't overclocked a CPU since my Celeron 333!
So yeah, I'm gonna wait until an EVGA 3080 or more becomes available; problem is now I've got the new computer itch and that's a beast that can only be fed; never ignored. :D
You would certainly be justified in updating your PC and running it with your 1080 while you wait for a new card. Unless you have to have the latest CPU/platform/ddr5 and want to wait for 12th gen, coming soon. Now or in the next month or so will be a good time to buy 11th gen.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 21:13:33
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I was thinking while I wait for the queue to open up/disappear about trying to find a new desk that doesn't limit me to a max case height of 17.5 inches, though the new case I found does have enough room for a 3080 to fit with ease.
As for CPU, I've got it narrowed down to the i9-11900KF vs the i7-11700KF. I'll probably be using one of EVGA's AIO closed loop coolers for whichever I choose. I haven't overclocked a CPU since my Celeron 333!
So yeah, I'm gonna wait until an EVGA 3080 or more becomes available; problem is now I've got the new computer itch and that's a beast that can only be fed; never ignored. :D
You would certainly be justified in updating your PC and running it with your 1080 while you wait for a new card. Unless you have to have the latest CPU/platform/ddr5 and want to wait for 12th gen, coming soon. Now or in the next month or so will be a good time to buy 11th gen.
Absolutely.....I really am on the fence (a bit)....my 9900K system is a 3 yr old build next month.....Im sort of waiting for Gen 12 / DDR5 to see just how well the P Cores OC.....but I do know the CPU/Board/RAM will be premium$$ and the new architecture including DDR5 will defintely improve by say this time next year..... ......Was just looking at some very good prices on an Asus Apex XII / 10900K / 32G 4266 Memory - would love to purchase it just to "play" ;) Apex XIII n 11900K still a premium......
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 21:20:06
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Absolutely.....I really am on the fence (a bit)....my 9900K system is a 3 yr old build next month.....Im sort of waiting for Gen 12 / DDR5 to see just how well the P Cores OC.....but I do know the CPU/Board/RAM will be premium$$ and the new architecture including DDR5 will defintely improve by say this time next year.....
......Was just looking at some very good prices on an Asus Apex XII / 10900K / 32G 4266 Memory - would love to purchase it just to "play" ;)
Apex XIII n 11900K still a premium......
Same here, 9900K three years in Feb, motherboard is pedestrian but the ram is (was?) high end b-die. Since I game at 4K and usually around 80-120fps, there's no burning need to upgrade, though I'm looking out for the next Intel HEDT platform.
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 21:43:21
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Absolutely.....I really am on the fence (a bit)....my 9900K system is a 3 yr old build next month.....Im sort of waiting for Gen 12 / DDR5 to see just how well the P Cores OC.....but I do know the CPU/Board/RAM will be premium$$ and the new architecture including DDR5 will defintely improve by say this time next year.....
......Was just looking at some very good prices on an Asus Apex XII / 10900K / 32G 4266 Memory - would love to purchase it just to "play" ;)
Apex XIII n 11900K still a premium......
Same here, 9900K three years in Feb, motherboard is pedestrian but the ram is (was?) high end b-die. Since I game at 4K and usually around 80-120fps, there's no burning need to upgrade, though I'm looking out for the next Intel HEDT platform.
HEDT ....RIGHT!? ......my previous machine before this one was Rampage IV Extreme w 3930K ..before that X58 Evga Classy w 980X...was a great set-up.....seems HEDT is gone ...replaced by HEMSD (High End Mainstream Desktop)......... I know my system is fine.....just get that build bug you know ? Ok so got the new GPU in there....now maybe replace the Dominator 3000 Cl16 Ram for something else.....need a "fix" :)
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/13 22:19:04
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When I learned that my PC (below) wasn't compatible with Windows 11 (I'm sure I could force it, but I wouldn't want it to come back and bite later down the road when it needs to be patched, etc) I started speccing out a new one.
Do you absolutely need Windows 11? What does 11 do that 10 can't?
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Re: Should I hold off building a new PC?
2021/10/14 06:02:42
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