posting on behalf of someone else for 3080ti ftw
 

 

Waiting on the rest of my parts to come in but will post once I get it up and running.

Ill test this when I get home, any particular benchmark you wanna see or just load the card in general?

neteng101
PCIe slot power is no longer out of spec, but the card still draws most of its power via pin 1/2, guessing its how the power phases are wired up to the inputs.  Doubtful if the card will benefit from a higher power BIOS, its pin 1/2 that will trigger the Power threshold first.

Well it would depend how far the bios allowed the 8 pins to go above spec. For example a 390w 2x8pin bios obviously allows some since perfectly in spec is 375w.

Hit 445w peak with Port Royal.  Kombustor hit 454w.  I don't have a good way to link pics right now.
 
Kinda dumb though.  8-pin #2 hits 160w while #1 stays below 150w and #3 never makes it over 90w.  What's the point of having a 3x8pin card if it's going to exceed spec anyway on one of the 8-pins?!  I guess it works, but kinda dumb.

PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

i have no idea what any of this mean time to go to youtube

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

what could the possible causes be for improper power distribution between the pins , and also any idea on the new voltage controller they used this time and how it's better compared to the previous one

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

1) Because the numbers show that they aren't balanced.  Therefore, not balanced.  Power balancing is supposed to balance power.  It isn't balanced.  Not sure what else I can say.  The way power balancing is supposed to work is not in relation to "what it is providing power to".  It is supposed to be able to balance power properly wherever power is needed.  It should not be limited by any one thing.  They are all 12 volt inputs and they should all have full ability to balance power properly to whatever 'needs power provided to' at any instant.
2) This card's max power limit is supposed to be 450 watts.  In the screenshot, it is being power limited at 405 watts due to PCI-E #2's power limit.  Is 405 watts 450 watts?  No.  If PCI-E #3 wasn't so low (if it balanced properly), PCI-E #2 wouldn't be reaching power limit.  Therefore, the card's total performance is being negatively impacted by the inability to balance all of the inputs.
3) The XC3 is not the FTW3.  This is the FTW3 which is supposed to be limited to 450 watts.  This is a 450 watt card being power limited to 405 watts.  How can you justify that by any amount of reasoning?  Your only defense would be 'well, maybe this card didn't NEED all of the 450 watts and was limited by something other than power'; but that is not defensible by the fact that it is reporting that the current limit is power.
 
Let me point something out for you.  "Power Balance".
PCI-E Slot: 47 out of 68 watts
PCI-E #1: 135 out of 150 watts
PCI-E #2: 154 out of 150 watts
PCI-E #3: 67 out of 150 watts
 
Now, use those critical thinking skills to determine whether those numbers are balanced.  It's a card with connectors capable of 518 watts, which is limited by EVGA to 450 watts, which is limiting itself to 405 watts by power balancing issues.
 
Same old song and dance.  How has EVGA not fixed this?

So when my Ti goes above 400W in a game or benchmark, the core drops like 50-75Mhz from normal games. Is this normal behavior? Example port royal or heaven. I get 1920-1980 a etc age but in normal games like War Zone and cyberpunk I average 1995/2010mhz and it uses around 390W in those games.

Just want to make sure I’m not missing something

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

1) Because the numbers show that they aren't balanced.

They may not be balanced according to your preferences, but EVGA may have designed the card this way. Like I said, that 3rd power plug isn't needed for a RTX 3080 Ti to run properly, proof is the RTX 3080 Ti XC3 card. One member said the Kingpin RTX 3090 does not do this, but the Kingpin RTX 3090 is a completely different animal.

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

1) Because the numbers show that they aren't balanced.

They may not be balanced according to your preferences, but EVGA may have designed the card this way. Like I said, that 3rd power plug isn't needed for a RTX 3080 Ti to run properly, proof is the RTX 3080 Ti XC3 card. One member said the Kingpin RTX 3090 does not do this, but the Kingpin RTX 3090 is a completely different animal.

It IS REQUIRED for THIS card to operate at 450 watts.  The FTW3 is a 450 watt card which is not balancing properly and therefore this card was only operating at 405 watts.  You think it is EVGA's preference for the card to misbehave and power limit early, way below the expected power limit?  That is an odd "feature"

Quit talking about the XC3 card. The XC3 card isn't a 450 watt card and therefore doesn't need this extra plug. This card does need this third PCI-E power plug.
 
It is messed up man!  Just admit it!  It's messed up just like the other FTW3 cards of this generation were messed up!  EVGA even released a new revision of the 3090 FTW3 to fix this problem!  Admit it!  But then these cards came out and still have the same old problem!?  It's crazy.

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

Xatos1337
PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 

EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?

Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.

1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?

1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

1) Because the numbers show that they aren't balanced.

They may not be balanced according to your preferences, but EVGA may have designed the card this way. Like I said, that 3rd power plug isn't needed for a RTX 3080 Ti to run properly, proof is the RTX 3080 Ti XC3 card. One member said the Kingpin RTX 3090 does not do this, but the Kingpin RTX 3090 is a completely different animal.

It IS REQUIRED for THIS card to operate at 450 watts.  The FTW3 is a 450 watt card which is not balancing properly and therefore this card was only operating at 405 watts.  You think it is EVGA's preference for the card to misbehave and power limit early, way below the expected power limit?  That is an odd "feature"

Quit talking about the XC3 card. The XC3 card isn't a 450 watt card and therefore doesn't need this extra plug. This card does need this third PCI-E power plug.
 
It is messed up man!  Just admit it!  It's messed up just like the other FTW3 cards of this generation were messed up!  EVGA even released a new revision of the 3090 FTW3 to fix this problem!  Admit it!  But then these cards came out and still have the same old problem!?  It's crazy.

Yep here we go again....my non Ti 3080 has had this power balancing since I got it. Although not a huge deal that it cannot achieve 450W with XOC BIOS....still kind of a drag that Im power limited to 400W (yes #3 PCI-E plug same thing, only drawing 1/2 the power of the othe other 2 plugs).
My rig is a fairly large Custom Water Loop (3 radiators w 2 Liters of liquid), but I hit an OC wall on my FTW3 Ultra at +165/+930 Boost to 2115 due to "Power Limit" reached (Max temp of GPU is 42c)...kind of a drag when going for those higher Bench runs..
This is a common problem with the 3080 FTW3 Ultras (not all, just some....which is strange).
The problem was also identified on the 3090 Cards.