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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 14:29:34
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Power draw?
My 3080 Phantom Stock Edition powers itself with frustration and complaints.
Most efficient card ever. It's even got some leet cloaking capabilities. You can't see it on the shelf, in the box or within my case.
If you want a little more, try the 3090 Fairytale Myth Ultra - They say if you pretend hard enough, a leprechaun on a unicorn will deliver it to your door with a note from Lisa Su that reads - Suckers!
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 14:46:27
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Does it matter the order of cables from the PSU?
Depends on if you have a single or multi rail PSU.
Okay. I understand now. Its all about how much amps and power ride on a rail, compared to draw of cards on pcie bus. Excellent.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 15:05:50
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So Timespy I'm able to hit 442W. Like Talon951 said, it seems the "type" of load will affect the amount of power your card can draw. It seems RTX like applications will limit it lower than 410W, but normal loads might get you up to 450W? 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 15:30:42
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 15:39:41
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Hit 102 TDP / 407W at 100% power slider on TimeSpy Extreme and 113.8 and 455 with power slider at 113% on my 3080Ti FTW3
What about Port Royal? What is your max?
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 15:49:01
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 15:58:54
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Mine is currently at default voltage.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 17:03:43
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So I believe I have one of these duds then that can't draw 450W. It's not like this card was cheap. And I take it EVGA won't do anything about this then? Edit: Hit 444W in timespy extreme, I don't get the consistency of this card.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 17:09:42
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So I believe I have one of these duds then that can't draw 450W. It's not like this card was cheap. And I take it EVGA won't do anything about this then?
You mentioned you had the slider at 100% but could not go further? I am using Precision X1 but Afterburner also lets me set it higher at 113%.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 17:27:52
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So I believe I have one of these duds then that can't draw 450W. It's not like this card was cheap. And I take it EVGA won't do anything about this then?
You mentioned you had the slider at 100% but could not go further? I am using Precision X1 but Afterburner also lets me set it higher at 113%.
I have it at 112-113%, I was just testing what happens at 100%. I got 444W in time spy extreme right now but it seems to only like to hit that under certain conditions that I can't figure out. Edit: I guess I'm coming from a 3080 that wasn't power limited with a 450W BIOs soninnever paid attention to what was going on in high detail. But it seems like the 3080 Ti I have is always power limited and not at a constant 450W, neither is yours when I look at your GPU-Z. It just seems like we're scratching 440W+ for a few split seconds of a time, but we're not holding 450W constantly.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/15 19:54:15
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Some thoughts and questions:
1. So the 3080 Ti seems to be hitting power limits in GPU-Z no matter what. These cards certainly need more than 450W to reach their full potential
2. Why aren't these cards averaging 450W if that's what they are rated for as their max TDP? Does this mean max TDP is a value that can be hit sometimes but not sustained?
3. So if a card can hit 450W for spurts or fractions of a second, is it not considered "broken?"
4. What about the ASUS Strix? What is it's GPU-Z behavior? If we ran port royal on a loop for 15 minutes and did an average power draw, would it be 450W? Or would it be similar to the EVGA FTW3?
Once again, I'm coming from a 3080 with the XOC bios, the card hardly ever needed more than 400W so I'm not used to seeing it constantly green in GPU-Z.
I did submit a ticket to EVGA, not sure if and when they will respond.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 05:52:11
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It should be obvious - max is always a limit, not average sustained which will always be lower. Anytime you hit max you get a big slap and told to behave. Monitoring software only has a certain polling rate/resolution as well, we can't see the true max in software, it would require probes on the physical rails to determine that.
Hitting power max constantly and getting slapped is how Nvidia designed GPU Boost but its not ideal, the core clocks get throttled back and the net result is your frametimes will start to vary. An XOC bios, or even the Kingpin bios some have flashed onto other 3090s is only part of puzzle if you want to go fully unlocked - without shunt mods, the cards can't be pushed further. The other alternative is to undervolt.
Benchmarks like Timespy and Port Royal are more extreme on power draw - gaming even with titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2 will still be less intensive. If you're less inclined to tweak, always max out power limit and leave it at that, and NEVER max out the voltage slider (you're just making it worse). If you want to optimize for every bit you can get you'll have to spend time learning about undervolting, overclocking and perhaps venture into somewhat risky stuff like shunt mods that can damage your card if not done right.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 07:15:43
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I think the explanation falkentyne gives is likely similar to what we are seeing with the 3080TI FTW3. I've seen this on my 3090, just not as often, maybe because the PL is only 390w unless I use the KP XOC bios which of course doesn't throttle. https://www.reddit.com/r/...2e/rtx_3080_power_cap/
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 07:51:10
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If you want to optimize for every bit you can get you'll have to spend time learning about undervolting, overclocking and perhaps venture into somewhat risky stuff like shunt mods that can damage your card if not done right.
I do have experience doing all of these, even shunt modding. I think something better to do with our data is running Port Royal on a loop for 15 minutes in windowed mode and cpllectin the "average TDP and Board Power." I think this would tell us more than people screen shotting their card hitting 450W. That doesn't tell us much because it just shows the card can hit 450W for a second. It's not like it sustains it. If something really is wrong, then we should kn the average. If two people do this test, one averages 400W and the other averages 430W then something is clearly wrong. Thoughts everyone? It seems most have abandoned this thread. Hopefully it comes back to life again. talon951
I think the explanation falkentyne gives is likely similar to what we are seeing with the 3080TI FTW3. I've seen this on my 3090, just not as often, maybe because the PL is only 390w unless I use the KP XOC bios which of course doesn't throttle.
https://www.reddit.com/r/...2e/rtx_3080_power_cap/
That's a great post Talon. I've seen my pci-e 2 hour 160W though, not sure what that means.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 08:26:25
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FWIW, yesterday I switched to the OC bios and maxed the slider. I saw 11w more than on the normal bios maxed (450w OC vs 439w of the normal bios). PCIE #1 was at 151w (vs 148w normal) and PCIE #2 was at 161w (vs 158w normal). I was also unable to get any further gains in OC'ing despite the lowered temps / higher power limits. I suspect if I could get more power I'd be able to go higher, but it seems my card is already at its limits. Looking at the comparison scores on 3dmark shows most clock / memory similar or close to mine (+100/1000), so I'm not sure the card can actually go any further or that any of this matters, just tossing this info out there.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 08:32:24
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FWIW, yesterday I switched to the OC bios and maxed the slider. I saw 11w more than on the normal bios maxed (450w OC vs 439w of the normal bios). PCIE #1 was at 151w (vs 148w normal) and PCIE #2 was at 161w (vs 158w normal). I was also unable to get any further gains in OC'ing despite the lowered temps / higher power limits.
That's what we call the silicon lottery.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 08:34:11
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FWIW, yesterday I switched to the OC bios and maxed the slider. I saw 11w more than on the normal bios maxed (450w OC vs 439w of the normal bios). PCIE #1 was at 151w (vs 148w normal) and PCIE #2 was at 161w (vs 158w normal). I was also unable to get any further gains in OC'ing despite the lowered temps / higher power limits.
That's what we call the silicon lottery.
Oh for sure, I edited my post to reflect my personal thoughts on it a little too late though. I guess the bonus here is that I can run the regular bios with zero fan mode and not have any worries of missing out on anything :)
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 08:56:12
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FWIW, yesterday I switched to the OC bios and maxed the slider. I saw 11w more than on the normal bios maxed (450w OC vs 439w of the normal bios). PCIE #1 was at 151w (vs 148w normal) and PCIE #2 was at 161w (vs 158w normal). I was also unable to get any further gains in OC'ing despite the lowered temps / higher power limits. I suspect if I could get more power I'd be able to go higher, but it seems my card is already at its limits.
Looking at the comparison scores on 3dmark shows most clock / memory similar or close to mine (+100/1000), so I'm not sure the card can actually go any further or that any of this matters, just tossing this info out there.
So far this is my best run (+180/+1250), I haven't tried pushing the clock any higher, yesterday I was doing a memory OC study to find my best memory OC which is 1250. https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20899352 If you would like to see my OC for other memory OC settings, I did 750, 1000, 1200, 1250, 1300 and 1350. Performance started going down after 1250. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20899145/spy/20899218/spy/20899292/spy/20899537/spy/20899352/spy/20899473/spy/20899423 I'm about +12% over my best 3080 score https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20899352/spy/16284852 I haven't done the benchmark on a clean Windows 10 install I have on a SSD yet, so hoping scores will be higher.  When I removed my Heatsink, someone wrote a small letter A on the GPU, I wonder if it was binned? 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 09:08:57
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FWIW, yesterday I switched to the OC bios and maxed the slider. I saw 11w more than on the normal bios maxed (450w OC vs 439w of the normal bios). PCIE #1 was at 151w (vs 148w normal) and PCIE #2 was at 161w (vs 158w normal). I was also unable to get any further gains in OC'ing despite the lowered temps / higher power limits. I suspect if I could get more power I'd be able to go higher, but it seems my card is already at its limits.
Looking at the comparison scores on 3dmark shows most clock / memory similar or close to mine (+100/1000), so I'm not sure the card can actually go any further or that any of this matters, just tossing this info out there.
So far this is my best run (+180/+1250), I haven't tried pushing the clock any higher, yesterday I was doing a memory OC study to find my best memory OC which is 1250.
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20899352
If you would like to see my OC for other memory OC settings, I did 750, 1000, 1200, 1250, 1300 and 1350. Performance started going down after 1250.
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20899145/spy/20899218/spy/20899292/spy/20899537/spy/20899352/spy/20899473/spy/20899423
I'm about +12% over my best 3080 score
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20899352/spy/16284852
I haven't done the benchmark on a clean Windows 10 install I have on a SSD yet, so hoping scores will be higher.
[attachImg]https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=0;3394391&where=message&f=3080 Ti vs. 3080.png[attachImg]
When I removed my Heatsink, someone wrote a small letter A on the GPU, I wonder if it was binned?
[attachImg]https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=1;3394391&where=message&f=20210615_222258.jpg[attachImg]
Looks like you may be the one on the top of all the lists that I was wondering how they got their clock so high. Nice!
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 10:14:54
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The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots). The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle. All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized". Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 10:20:32
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The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots). The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle. All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized". Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....
Well my question is, if the card can hit 450W for fractions of a second, that seems to be the intended result from NVIDIA? I still think it's worth us collecting the average power draw after running a benchmark that we all choose and report that number. To me, comparing the averages between different cards running all at the same settings, benchmark and time would be beneficial just for investigation purposes. But I guess, my simpler question is, should we not worry? Is this being overblown?
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 10:32:37
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The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots). The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle. All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized". Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....
Yea I tried the latest version of ABE but no go. Have to wait for an update.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 15:34:50
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Kylearan
The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots). The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle. All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized". Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....
Well my question is, if the card can hit 450W for fractions of a second, that seems to be the intended result from NVIDIA?
I still think it's worth us collecting the average power draw after running a benchmark that we all choose and report that number. To me, comparing the averages between different cards running all at the same settings, benchmark and time would be beneficial just for investigation purposes.
But I guess, my simpler question is, should we not worry? Is this being overblown?
IDK but I'd feel pretty good if I had your benchmarks :)
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 19:57:58
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The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots). The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle. All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized". Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....
Well my question is, if the card can hit 450W for fractions of a second, that seems to be the intended result from NVIDIA?
I still think it's worth us collecting the average power draw after running a benchmark that we all choose and report that number. To me, comparing the averages between different cards running all at the same settings, benchmark and time would be beneficial just for investigation purposes.
But I guess, my simpler question is, should we not worry? Is this being overblown?
IDK but I'd feel pretty good if I had your benchmarks :)
Thank you. I've studied the power graphs for various 3080 Ti from TechpowerUp's review and I'm confident they're probably all very similar. No card seems to hold a constant average power, and for reasons already stated by other recent users. Not worried about it anymore.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/16 22:58:56
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I know most people here are talking about the FTW3 version, but what is the max power of the XC3? 350W? 400W?
I'm signed up for both and would prefer the FTW3 HC or getting my own waterblock, but I got in an early time with the XC3 HC and was curious on power limits.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/17 14:26:37
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no binning diff between xc3 and ftw
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/17 15:18:47
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 3080 Ti FTW3 Can't post a link yet, so ... 3dmark.com/spy/20931498
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT
2021/06/19 08:27:12
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Thanks man, looking for the HWiNFO average reading. From what I've seen so far these cards pull 40-50w less than my 3080. Prove me wrong.
Pretty close. Lower peak, but same average.
https://i.imgur.com/ksUfwzp.jpg
Wow really great work, much appreciated. Seems to be running just dandy, regardless of the power balancing being a bit strange and the warm temps. Thanks!!!
One thing that's kinda sus is the ICX temp readouts and the mem junction temps. Your ICX temps are within about 10C-25C of mine and the mem junction temps are identical at 84C. But a 30C core delta. Yeah my hybrid fan setup is very effective, but that is strange. GPU core power ~250w if I'm reading it right. I'll bet when someone pulls one of these apart they find inadequate pressure on the die and thick layer of thermal paste. Just a guess.
Dredging up an older post. Yes I installed the hybrid cooler last night on my 3080ti. Just as you predicted, thick layer of dried paste across the entire die. Hybrid core temps are in the 50s now with about the same mem temp as I showed above. I think that heat spreader plate just isn't very effective. I just used the included pads.
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