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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/07/30 09:56:15 (permalink)
Can anyone confirm if connector 3 is on the left or right side when looking at the card installed in a case? 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/07/30 09:57:05 (permalink)
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Can anyone confirm if connector 3 is on the left or right side when looking at the card installed in a case? 




Right side. 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/07/30 17:59:35 (permalink)
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Can anyone confirm if connector 3 is on the left or right side when looking at the card installed in a case? 




Right side. 




No, left, I just rechecked with my clamp meter to be sure.  They are numbered from right to left with the card installed in the motherboard.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/08/02 11:45:36 (permalink)
Hello EVGATech_LeeM, 
 
Over on the XC3 thread, I see a beta bios was released to try and help fix their issue so that they can access more of their TDP. Can we FTW3 users get a similar bios updated for the Ultra and Hybrid cards? 
 
  • The XC3 Beta Bios PCI-E slot averages 72.5W in a Timespcy Graphic Test 2 run. 
  • My FTW3 averages 50W. 
 
 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/09/01 06:56:46 (permalink)
I got my 3080 ti Ftw3 hybrid. In some Games the card varies beetween 390 and 430 Watts, In Time Spy I can reach 450 Watts for a few Seconds, and in Hitman 3 the card can also draw up to 450 Watts, Cyberpunk is around 430 Watts. I didnt find any game where the card constantly draws 450 Watts. I think with my 3080 ti Strix that I had (was a ****ty Chip) the Card always reached the 450 Watts, also with my 3090 Strix that I had it always sucked the full 480 Watts when I pushed the Powerlimit to 480 Watts.
 
My Kingpin also was not able to pull the full 520 Watts, in Games I had around 430 to 470 Watts
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/09/01 07:34:59 (permalink)
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Hello EVGATech_LeeM, 
 
Over on the XC3 thread, I see a beta bios was released to try and help fix their issue so that they can access more of their TDP. Can we FTW3 users get a similar bios updated for the Ultra and Hybrid cards? 
 
  • The XC3 Beta Bios PCI-E slot averages 72.5W in a Timespcy Graphic Test 2 run. 
  • My FTW3 averages 50W. 
 
 


I got my 3080 ti Ftw3 hybrid. In some Games the card varies beetween 390 and 430 Watts, In Time Spy I can reach 450 Watts for a few Seconds, and in Hitman 3 the card can also draw up to 450 Watts, Cyberpunk is around 430 Watts. I didnt find any game where the card constantly draws 450 Watts. I think with my 3080 ti Strix that I had (was a ****ty Chip) the Card always reached the 450 Watts, also with my 3090 Strix that I had it always sucked the full 480 Watts when I pushed the Powerlimit to 480 Watts.
 
My Kingpin also was not able to pull the full 520 Watts, in Games I had around 430 to 470 Watts
I got 21700 Graphics Score in Time Spy with an Average Clock of 2115 Mhz with a +175/1100 overclock an 14700 Points in Port Royal
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2021/09/01 09:43:34 (permalink)
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Hello EVGATech_LeeM, 
 
Over on the XC3 thread, I see a beta bios was released to try and help fix their issue so that they can access more of their TDP. Can we FTW3 users get a similar bios updated for the Ultra and Hybrid cards? 
 
  • The XC3 Beta Bios PCI-E slot averages 72.5W in a Timespcy Graphic Test 2 run. 
  • My FTW3 averages 50W. 
 
 


I got my 3080 ti Ftw3 hybrid. In some Games the card varies beetween 390 and 430 Watts, In Time Spy I can reach 450 Watts for a few Seconds, and in Hitman 3 the card can also draw up to 450 Watts, Cyberpunk is around 430 Watts. I didnt find any game where the card constantly draws 450 Watts. I think with my 3080 ti Strix that I had (was a ****ty Chip) the Card always reached the 450 Watts, also with my 3090 Strix that I had it always sucked the full 480 Watts when I pushed the Powerlimit to 480 Watts.

My Kingpin also was not able to pull the full 520 Watts, in Games I had around 430 to 470 Watts
I got 21700 Graphics Score in Time Spy with an Average Clock of 2115 Mhz with a +175/1100 overclock an 14700 Points in Port Royal




Read this thread https://forums.evga.com/Found-the-missing-25w-of-3080-Ti-FTW3-power-m3454909.aspx
 
The sensors aren't reporting correctly but the card is indeed pulling more than it reports. 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/13 21:29:20 (permalink)
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The misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.
 
NO ONE can know for sure what is making the cards throttle until someone releases a BIOS "editor" (maybe a new version of ABE?) into the wild that supports the 3080 Ti.
A power limit can be triggered not just from total TDP (TDP limit) but also from TDP Normalized % being too high (GPU-Z won't show TDP Normalized and 95% of the people here are posting useless GPU-Z shots).  The newest build or beta build of HWinfo64 should support the 3080 Ti.
 
Any number of "sub rails" being too high can cause a power limit throttle.  All of the sub power rails report to "TDP Normalized".  Total board power (TDP) is only one thing that causes throttle.
One guy in the FTW3 thread on his 1.0 revision FTW3 (new VRM controller) was TDP throttling because Chip Power draw reached 300W....


Yea I tried the latest version of ABE but no go. Have to wait for an update.


Did you ever get an ABE version working with it? I have older v0.6 and that one doesn’t seem to work.
post edited by ericbartman - 2022/01/13 21:31:37
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/22 16:33:04 (permalink)
Does anyone know if the new 3080 12gb still exhibits this behavior? My 3080ti even with HWinfo and GPU-Z updates still seems to pull much more power from PCIE #1 and #2 compared to #3. It also doesn't pull the full 450w. Is it still the case that the monitoring software isn't displaying the correct info?
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/22 18:24:03 (permalink)
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Does anyone know if the new 3080 12gb still exhibits this behavior? My 3080ti even with HWinfo and GPU-Z updates still seems to pull much more power from PCIE #1 and #2 compared to #3. It also doesn't pull the full 450w. Is it still the case that the monitoring software isn't displaying the correct info?


They've always been close, it's just that the 2nd 8 pin actually pulls more power than what you see in GPUZ or HWINFO. About 30w more. Otherwise the readings are accurate.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/22 21:48:11 (permalink)
Its all irrelevant really......its how the power delivery is set up on FTW3 Cards....there is no smoking gun....its certainly not a great design and likely a contributing factor to the visits for many to the "Red Light District"......

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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/23 08:31:27 (permalink)
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Does anyone know if the new 3080 12gb still exhibits this behavior? My 3080ti even with HWinfo and GPU-Z updates still seems to pull much more power from PCIE #1 and #2 compared to #3. It also doesn't pull the full 450w. Is it still the case that the monitoring software isn't displaying the correct info?



Read 2 posts above yours. If it's reading at 425w max, your card is likely pulling the full 450W.


 
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/23 09:51:50 (permalink)
I misread that question though. I haven't seen anything in regards to the 3080 12gb power draw/balance.
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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/23 10:12:46 (permalink)
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I misread that question though. I haven't seen anything in regards to the 3080 12gb power draw/balance.



I havent seen anything yet for 12G Cards either...

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Re: People that got their 3080ti,Need Data for Powerdraw Between 3 Power connectors(IMPORT 2022/01/29 07:14:23 (permalink)
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PCI #3 is averaging 50% of whatever the other two are, regardless of the number. My card is awesome though, no problems at all. 


EVGA, why again?  Why can't they power balance?


Ever thought the 3rd PCIe plug has a different function and the power isn't needed there? The XC3 doesn't even has 3 power plugs.


1) Irrelevant.  It should be able to power balance properly regardless of whether or not it has a positive or negative impact.  It is simply sloppy if it can't power balance.
2) The screenshot posted is of a 450 watt BIOS power limiting at 405 watts due to power imbalance.  The same old song and dance.  Negative impact confirmed in that instance.
3) This isn't a XC3, so what's your point?  EVGA can't properly engineer separate products?  Is that somehow an argument in favor of EVGA?


1) How do you know it's not power balanced properly? Did you design the card? Do you know what the 3rd power plug is providing power to?
2) There is a screen shot provided by talon951 with his card getting well over 405W.
3) XC3 proves that a 3rd power connector is not necessary for the card to operate properly. So the 3rd power plug on the FTW3 is probably giving power to an area of the card that doesn't need that much power.
 
Why is this so hard to comprehend?


1) Because the numbers show that they aren't balanced.  Therefore, not balanced.  Power balancing is supposed to balance power.  It isn't balanced.  Not sure what else I can say.  The way power balancing is supposed to work is not in relation to "what it is providing power to".  It is supposed to be able to balance power properly wherever power is needed.  It should not be limited by any one thing.  They are all 12 volt inputs and they should all have full ability to balance power properly to whatever 'needs power provided to' at any instant.
2) This card's max power limit is supposed to be 450 watts.  In the screenshot, it is being power limited at 405 watts due to PCI-E #2's power limit.  Is 405 watts 450 watts?  No.  If PCI-E #3 wasn't so low (if it balanced properly), PCI-E #2 wouldn't be reaching power limit.  Therefore, the card's total performance is being negatively impacted by the inability to balance all of the inputs.
3) The XC3 is not the FTW3.  This is the FTW3 which is supposed to be limited to 450 watts.  This is a 450 watt card being power limited to 405 watts.  How can you justify that by any amount of reasoning?  Your only defense would be 'well, maybe this card didn't NEED all of the 450 watts and was limited by something other than power'; but that is not defensible by the fact that it is reporting that the current limit is power.
 
Let me point something out for you.  "Power Balance".
PCI-E Slot: 47 out of 68 watts
PCI-E #1: 135 out of 150 watts
PCI-E #2: 154 out of 150 watts
PCI-E #3: 67 out of 150 watts
 
Now, use those critical thinking skills to determine whether those numbers are balanced.  It's a card with connectors capable of 518 watts, which is limited by EVGA to 450 watts, which is limiting itself to 405 watts by power balancing issues.
 
Same old song and dance.  How has EVGA not fixed this?



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