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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 13:46:34 (permalink)
I am wondering if the TI and the Titan will allow more.. That is interesting.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 14:19:21 (permalink)
So easy to critique. A true skill is listening. Anyone can critique but not everyone can listen. I'm suing you for false advertisement Sajin, and the consumer protection agency will hear of this.




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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 14:19:59 (permalink)
I know but, they've only mentioned the 1080. Why didn't they say 1070 and 1080?



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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 14:27:33 (permalink)
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So easy to critique. A true skill is listening. Anyone can critique but not everyone can listen. I'm suing you for false advertisement Sajin, and the consumer protection agency will hear of this.




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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 15:49:00 (permalink)
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I know but, they've only mentioned the 1080. Why didn't they say 1070 and 1080?


Because the 1070 isn't getting the new bridge, and just bet the main focus was the SLI capability with the new bridge. The 1070 will use the old Bridge, and not have any extra gain, so it isn't as interesting.

My bet, you get 2 way sli with both of them.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 16:20:45 (permalink)
 
I am wondering if the TI and the Titan will allow more.. That is interesting

 
I'm wondering if that's the reason behind the 1070/1080  being decent in price, at least at first glance they seem cheaper.  I'm sure that people that love more than 2 way Sli will hate that limitation, myself including, but then guess what might come next smelling like a fresh mushroom, but at higher price.
Nvidia always find its way to get people, one way or another.
 
 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 17:23:21 (permalink)
Word on the street is there is an issue with the 10 series running more than 2 GPUs in SLI and supposedly this is being looked into at Nvidia. 
2nd post down on the following link:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1599440/geforce-nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-unveiled/340
 
Be nice if they fixed that but also be nice if developers start building support into the games at launch.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 18:26:01 (permalink)
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Word on the street is there is an issue with the 10 series running more than 2 GPUs in SLI and supposedly this is being looked into at Nvidia. 
2nd post down on the following link:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1599440/geforce-nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-unveiled/340
 
Be nice if they fixed that but also be nice if developers start building support into the games at launch.


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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 19:10:55 (permalink)
Well this sucks for me but not for my checking account. Had 4 GTX680 SC's and now have 3 GTX980 SC's. Like getting all of my cards soon as the first ones are released. Since I like doing nothing but widescreen gaming @144hz I want every bit of performance (just like my car and bike) I can get. Probably wont upgrade to these cards unless BF1 needs it for 3 monitors. 
 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 20:55:28 (permalink)
Well I'm a bit stunned.  I wonder if Nvidia will do the same with "big Pascal?"  If so, then I think they're making a big mistake.  

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 22:16:22 (permalink)
I wouldn't give up yet, I have a feeling they'll be releasing the 16 GB version with HBM2 later on as a few articles on the web have stated.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 23:25:26 (permalink)
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I wouldn't give up yet, I have a feeling they'll be releasing the 16 GB version with HBM2 later on as a few articles on the web have stated.




By then, I'm sure we'll have big Pascal (or we'll be very close to its release), which will likely destroy little Pascal by a large margin.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/10 23:42:41 (permalink)
That's what I'm referring to.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 01:36:15 (permalink)
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That's what I'm referring to.




Ah, by version I thought you were referring to a GTX 1080, but with more VRAM and HBM2 (sort of how we used to see 4GB version of the 680 or 6GB versions of the 780).  

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 05:18:18 (permalink)
look this is just like the 780's and the 780 ti's 3/way sli and thin 4/way sli's for ti's only . and sli mean more than one card hook up together in sli . 2,3,4 lol. just like they tryed to say my titan black wouldn't do 4/way sli and suround . the web sight at5 nvida is wrong and i have the email from both evga and nvida to prove it . and my titanblacks are running in 4/way sli in suround at 7680 by 1440 with some great numbers. look  at mod regs to see so as i said i will wate on the titans and 4/way to come out befor i upgrade. not going to get got on the 780 to 780ti thing ,like last time.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 06:09:09 (permalink)
When the time comes and the top tear cards are out and they still won't support 3-4 way Sli.........good buy Nvidia for me.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 08:21:41 (permalink)
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Reword your title. It is very misleading. 


How is it misleading? If nvidia is only optimizing for sli then that clearly means 3-way & 4-way aren't getting optimizations.


When I first read it, it sounded like they were not going to support that whole thing with mixing with AMD cards (not that we have even seen that happen yet...lol)

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 08:25:10 (permalink)
This does make complete sense for them to do this. The market value for people going 3x 4x SLI was not way up there. More coding, more SLI support means more money they pay their engineers. So, cut that back, and more money for the wise guys. Yep... Jen Hsun coming home with a fatter check and paying engineers less money. lmao...

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 08:36:25 (permalink)
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This does make complete sense for them to do this. The market value for people going 3x 4x SLI was not way up there. More coding, more SLI support means more money they pay their engineers. So, cut that back, and more money for the wise guys. Yep... Jen Hsun coming home with a fatter check and paying engineers less money. lmao...




That's often the hard part.  You have to remember that this is a business and it is costly.  Putting on the game developers where it should be has never worked out, either.
 
Sajin is a very intelligent individual along with many others here.  They get this, they just don't like it.  It is difficult when your area of use is 'attacked'.  In this scenario, there is no chance of it working itself through because they have now made it physically impossible with physics of the card and HB bridge.  We have to wait and see what they do with the higher end Pascal.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 08:39:58 (permalink)
I do want to see an end user benchmark with the original SLI bridge and the HB SLI Bridge.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 08:51:23 (permalink)
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There's a difference between this generation and the previous. There are 2 SLI connectors on the 1080, but they are both used by the SLI HB bridge for one SLI connection. 


While this is true, they also stated that the current SLI bridges will also work, but claim lower performance with them. The key term, which we've heard in the past is 'officially support'. This is the same as they claimed with the 700 series which someone pointed out prior which did work in 4-way...but not *officially*. That doesn't mean the 1080 will work in 3 or 4 way, but I wouldn't abandon all hope until it is demonstrated to be the case. On the other hand, this makes sense. As GPUs get more powerful, relative to the rest of the system, the advantages of SLI decrease even more drastically past 2 GPUs. Some may recall there were several scenarios where 4-way actually had negative scaling.

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 11:22:57 (permalink)
Look's like the SLI fingers on the PCB are identical to previous generations. All this means is that the new bridge leverages both fingers at the same time for double the bandwidth over the single finger solution before. This should lead to better SLI scaling as I am sure the old single link solution was tapped out (hence poor scaling). 
 

This also means you don't need to purchase the new bridges. Just use two current flexible SLI bridges and connect each respective finger to one another.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 11:27:21 (permalink)
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I do want to see an end user benchmark with the original SLI bridge and the HB SLI Bridge.



I want to know if the old ones will even work.  Several of the more 'reputable' sites state that the old bridge will not work at all as it is designed to pass the information across both connectors simultaneously.  Without the new HB bridge, you won't be able to pass the data at all.  I think that is what EVGATech_BrandonS was trying to get across earlier as well?

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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 11:43:53 (permalink)
Guys NVidia is only showing what they reference, which is their own SLI bridge. And from what it looks like, the new design only allows 2 cards to be paired together. However, if you look at NVidia's old SLI bridges, they supported up to 3 cards. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/bridges
Aftermarket companies like ASUS, EVGA, MSI, etc, create 4way SLI bridges. This doesn't imply that the GTX 1080 series is limited to 2 cards. Maybe by Nvidia's reference SLI bridges, yes. But it doesn't mean EVGA can't be like, ok well here's our 3 or 4way high bandwidth SLI bridge.



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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 11:45:00 (permalink)
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I do want to see an end user benchmark with the original SLI bridge and the HB SLI Bridge.



I want to know if the old ones will even work.  Several of the more 'reputable' sites state that the old bridge will not work at all as it is designed to pass the information across both connectors simultaneously.  Without the new HB bridge, you won't be able to pass the data at all.  I think that is what EVGATech_BrandonS was trying to get across earlier as well?




Yes the older bridges will still work, more details on this soon.


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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 11:56:26 (permalink)
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Guys NVidia is only showing what they reference, which is their own SLI bridge. And from what it looks like, the new design only allows 2 cards to be paired together. However, if you look at NVidia's old SLI bridges, they supported up to 3 cards. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/bridges
Aftermarket companies like ASUS, EVGA, MSI, etc, create 4way SLI bridges. This doesn't imply that the GTX 1080 series is limited to 2 cards. Maybe by Nvidia's reference SLI bridges, yes. But it doesn't mean EVGA can't be like, ok well here's our 3 or 4way high bandwidth SLI bridge.




Incorrect. All the new bridge does is take both SLI fingers and use the bandwidth on both. This limits you to two cards maximum talking to each other. The old 3/4 way SLI bridges only had single finger SLI links talking between the cards. Hence why the new bridge as exactly "double the bandwidth".  
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 13:02:45 (permalink)
Sounds reasonable, The gains from 3 way sli is not that great anyway, motivation to improve 2 way sli performance is awesome
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 14:17:05 (permalink)
damn i got 15 days to step up hope they release it so can make the time line. as for sli??? meh im ok with 2 sli
 


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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 14:26:58 (permalink)
Running a 3rd card dedicated to PhysX hasn't changed right? This only has to do with the new bridges right?
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards 2016/05/11 15:02:21 (permalink)
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Running a 3rd card dedicated to PhysX hasn't changed right? This only has to do with the new bridges right?

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