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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Could be, but I've never heard of him. The thread title is horrible. It should say, 'Rumor is GTX 1080 is limited to 2-Way SLI'. Further in the video, he doesn't say they are limited and cites there are 3-way bridges. So...all in all I rank this as interesting but unconfirmed.
That would be worse wouldn't it? It does have 2 sli fingers.
Indeed. That would imply along with his statement of 3-way bridges that this entire thread is misleading.
The newer bridges only support SLI. Not 3-way or 4-way.
Then your 'reviewer' was wrong in citing 3-way bridges. You can't have it both ways. Well you can, but it's *misleading*. 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:07:30
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:16:01
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Should have just made it easier and they should just labeled the following for us nerds: Bi-SLI= 2 cards Tri-SLI= 3 cards Quad SLI= 4 cards. 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:28:56
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Should have just made it easier and they should just labeled the following for us nerds:
Bi-SLI= 2 cards
Tri-SLI= 3 cards
Quad SLI= 4 cards.
It's pretty simple. There is 2/3/4-way SLI. Quad SLI is 2 dual GPU cards, such as the GTX 690, in SLI. It's been the established terminology for years. That someone has suddenly decided that SLI only means 2 cards seems kinda pedantic. Nobody uses it that way.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:40:15
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No wonder it confuses people, and makes different people look at it so differently.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:41:28
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I go by what the drivers say.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:42:24
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I go by what the drivers say.
See, there you go again. Time for bed. 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/09 23:43:06
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I go by what the drivers say.
See, there you go again. Time for bed.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 00:49:47
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The new HB Bridges have two fins (to fit the two teeth on the 1080), unlike the older SLI bridge standard which only has one. Therefore, the 1080 only supports up to 2-way SLI. Based on the three lengths of HB Bridges, they can be used in three configurations (2-slot, 3-slot and 4-slot). 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 01:57:16
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That's pretty dumb, considering Nvidia is essentially saying "please don't spend more money on our products!" While it's true that 3-way SLI scaling isn't the best, this becomes decreasingly the case as you increase the resolution. 4K scaling for SLI is much better than 2K scaling for SLI. Hence, 3-way SLI isn't totally stupid for 4K gaming, especially once we start seeing 4K displays above 60Hz. While most people won't care about this, I see this as a step backwards. What are enthusiasts supposed to populate their PCI-E slots with now? Also, SLI support got a lot worse with Maxwell. I partially blame the influx of new PC gamers, as PC gaming has grown a lot in the last 5 years. The majority consumer type dictates the direction of the industry. Since most consumers seem to think a GTX 970 is good enough for "maxing anything" and "smooth framerates," it's no wonder Nvidia stopped caring about the enthusiast who buys 2-4 graphics cards every year. Unfortunately, I don't see SLI support getting any better with Pascal, given the trend. My PC would look so empty with just one GPU 
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 05:28:59
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A weird choice made that the new SLI HB bridge only work on the 1080...?
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 07:44:50
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A weird choice made that the new SLI HB bridge only work on the 1080...?
Not from a business stand point. That is Nvidia saying "Buy a better card (read more expensive) than the 1070 if you want to use the double bandwidth bridge. We are trying to help you make the right decision here." You know it will be available on the Ti and Titan versions as well.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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""Nvidia only supports SLI on 10 series cards""
The title suggests that Nvidia will no longer support SLi in older cards. (i.e. SLi no longer supported on 400, 500, 600, 700 and 900 series cards)..
I watched the entire video. And this is what he actually said ""They Only support natively, two cards. You're welcome to do as many more as you want. But they are only supporting two cards in SLi for maximum performance.""
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 09:18:18
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I 100% agree that this title is extremely misleading.
"Nvidia only supports SLI on 10 series cards" suggests the nvidia is completely dropping all SLI support for cards prior to the 1000 series.
"Nvidia will only officially support 2 way sli with the 1000 series cards" is FAR less click bait.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 09:26:20
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It's like what NVIDIA did with a previous slower model (I forgot if it was the GTX 950 or 960). Because this route was taken, it could be because of three things: - HB Bridge / motherboard limitation considering the high bandwidth travelling through it and/or strain on the motherboard respectively
- (if the first bullet isn't true) NVIDIA has a faster 10 Series to come out that supports more than 2-way SLI
- NVIDIA wants to limit your SLI decisions
Title should be like: "Rumors - A Look at SLI with the 10 Series"
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 09:43:47
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When they are available Maybe someone should buy 3 and return the third after testing? I might do this. This is the kind of removed thing I do to answer these questions
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 10:01:12
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""Nvidia only supports SLI on 10 series cards""
The title suggests that Nvidia will no longer support SLi in older cards. (i.e. SLi no longer supported on 400, 500, 600, 700 and 900 series cards)..
I watched the entire video. And this is what he actually said ""They Only support natively, two cards. You're welcome to do as many more as you want. But they are only supporting two cards in SLi for maximum performance.""
Meaning 3-way & 4-way will not be getting maximum performance optimizations. Scarlet-Tech
I 100% agree that this title is extremely misleading.
"Nvidia only supports SLI on 10 series cards" suggests the nvidia is completely dropping all SLI support for cards prior to the 1000 series.
"Nvidia will only officially support 2 way sli with the 1000 series cards" is FAR less click bait.
I doubt older gens are going to be getting optimizations now.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
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""Nvidia only supports SLI on 10 series cards""
The title suggests that Nvidia will no longer support SLi in older cards. (i.e. SLi no longer supported on 400, 500, 600, 700 and 900 series cards)... This is exactly what I thought when I read the title, so it definitely was misleading to me. The title will cause the thread to get many hits/reads though.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 10:18:02
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That's pretty dumb, considering Nvidia is essentially saying "please don't spend more money on our products!" While it's true that 3-way SLI scaling isn't the best, this becomes decreasingly the case as you increase the resolution. 4K scaling for SLI is much better than 2K scaling for SLI. Hence, 3-way SLI isn't totally stupid for 4K gaming, especially once we start seeing 4K displays above 60Hz. While most people won't care about this, I see this as a step backwards. What are enthusiasts supposed to populate their PCI-E slots with now?
Also, SLI support got a lot worse with Maxwell. I partially blame the influx of new PC gamers, as PC gaming has grown a lot in the last 5 years. The majority consumer type dictates the direction of the industry. Since most consumers seem to think a GTX 970 is good enough for "maxing anything" and "smooth framerates," it's no wonder Nvidia stopped caring about the enthusiast who buys 2-4 graphics cards every year. Unfortunately, I don't see SLI support getting any better with Pascal, given the trend. My PC would look so empty with just one GPU
I agree. Might be going AMD on next upgrade if they are allowing 3 & 4-way optimizations.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 11:50:45
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That's pretty dumb, considering Nvidia is essentially saying "please don't spend more money on our products!" While it's true that 3-way SLI scaling isn't the best, this becomes decreasingly the case as you increase the resolution. 4K scaling for SLI is much better than 2K scaling for SLI. Hence, 3-way SLI isn't totally stupid for 4K gaming, especially once we start seeing 4K displays above 60Hz. While most people won't care about this, I see this as a step backwards. What are enthusiasts supposed to populate their PCI-E slots with now?
I run surround at 8100x1600 and I pretty much need 3-way SLI. I have tried running just 2 cards for my setup and I don't get acceptable frame rates at high settings, but once I add in a 3rd card games become playable for me. Not to mention my monitors are dual link DVI only, so to run surround on only 2 cards I'd have to buy an active DP to Dual link DVI adapter and those cost around $100. I'm not willing to spend that $100 on an adapter especially if 2 cards won't even give me the performance I need for my setup. If it turns out to be true that 3-way SLI is no more, I am completely screwed. I sold my 3x 980Ti's so I could get 3x 1080's. During the Nvidia launch event live stream Jen-sun talked about the surround improvements and correction offered with the GTX1080. Well isn't Nvidia surround the best use case for 3 way SLI? Why would they make improvements in surround technology if they aren't going to let you run enough cards to power it? Not to mention, they don't want more of my money? I'm willing to buy 3, but they only want me to buy 2. I don't get it.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 12:34:41
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People that buy 3 are a very small minority, and yet the money they have to spend to optimize or even to make it work properly makes the return of investment not worthwhile. So I believe they decide to just cater to the majority of 1 card and 2 cards SLI.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 12:36:28
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Should say 2-way SLI in the title. A 4-way SLI user can still say they use SLI.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 12:37:42
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I doubt older gens are going to be getting optimizations now.
I initially clicked because the title made it sound like they are dropping support. Dropping support isn't an optimization. I wonder how many people came in because of the title thinking it meant something else. When I first looked, it said "Nvidia only supporting SLI with 1000 series cards" which was extremely misleading. The title I can see now is much better. I hadn't refreshed for a while before posting, so it was confusing initially.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 12:49:17
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Should say 2-way SLI in the title. A 4-way SLI user can still say they use SLI.
SLI & 2-way SLI mean the same thing.
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Re: Nvidia only supports up to SLI on 10 series cards
2016/05/10 13:05:14
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Title looks much better at this time. While 2 WAY SLI and SLI may mean the same thing, it is still confusing, as I always refer to having an SLI rig. I don't feel the need to say 3 way every time.
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