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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/05 12:31:59 (permalink)



 

 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/05 17:26:03 (permalink)
So from the looks of it. Sometime in 2017 well see a pascal GPU ?
Guess a 980ti will be the best card for the money right now.



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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/05 18:15:54 (permalink)
june is 1080/1070 at computex
maybe 1060
 
ti?? gp102 is still not accounted for
again don't expect large volumes at first either
 
gp100 is in full production - big supercomputers and DGX-1 get them first before you'll see tesla cards for OEM servers
 
remember we have volta being introduced server side next year - in production this fall/winter timeline
 
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/05 19:06:14 (permalink)
At this point might skip pascal and go volta.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/06 03:23:51 (permalink)
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june is 1080/1070 at computex
maybe 1060
 
ti?? gp102 is still not accounted for
again don't expect large volumes at first either
 
gp100 is in full production - big supercomputers and DGX-1 get them first before you'll see tesla cards for OEM servers
 
remember we have volta being introduced server side next year - in production this fall/winter timeline
 
 


why would there be a GP 102? The last time we had a x2 was the G92, nvidia goes like these these days
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/06 05:57:39 (permalink)
I am hopeful it will be at the consumer level before the end of this year.
 

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/06 10:32:37 (permalink)
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At this point might skip pascal and go volta.

That may not be a bad idea at all.

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/06 21:53:51 (permalink)


 
Big honking Passive cooling
HBM2 (which is ECC) 
 

if im reading that right NVidia usually puts a time date of manufacturing on all chips
15 year 4 month 3 day
could also be year 15 - week 43
main chip in middle - the substrate might have taken 1 year ie.. the rest of the chip
 
 
http://videocardz.com/58865/nvidia-1st-generation-pascal-speculation 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 05:17:32 (permalink)
The HBM2 looks completely different than the HBM1 as far as width and overall size goes. I am interested to see how the active coolers perform with the memory being so close to the core compared to the small space the HBM1 had from AMD.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 05:59:20 (permalink)
Nvidia chief architect indicated high gaming performance of Pascal on
 
"But it therefore runs Crysis very fast if you want"
 
albums According the Pascal architecture was not only designed for the HPC market: "Our architectural philosophy was: How can we HPC specialists, make developers of autonomous vehicles and gamers happy? We had to ensure the right balance in the core design. " The first chip GP100 was however directly tailored to HPC and Deep Learning. "But Crysis running on it very quickly," said albums and placed so high gaming performance of Pascal-chip prospect.Furthermore, it is the architecture "extremely scalable."
 
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/GTC-2016-Nvidia-Chefarchitekt-deutet-hohe-Gaming-Performance-von-Pascal-an-3163999.html 
 
 
as for PX2
 
GP106  4GB ram 128 bit interface
 
That not only the prototype with Maxwell GPUs but also the final product with Pascal will feature GDDR5 video memory, Nvidia has confirmed these days on the Graphics Technology Conference 2016th. The presentation slides can be seen that each of the two discrete GPUs Pascal 4 GB of GDDR5 VRAM are assigned. According to VR World of memory is connected via a 128-bit interface, resulting in a clock frequency of 2500 MHz, a memory bandwidth of 80 GB / s result. The frequency can be increased to up to 3000 MHz, allowing 96 GB / s.
 
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-04/nvidia-drive-px-2-kleine-pascal-gpus-mit-128-bit-und-4-gb-gddr5/ 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 07:34:39 (permalink)
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At this point might skip pascal and go volta.

That may not be a bad idea at all.


I'm with you guys.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 07:54:50 (permalink)
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At this point might skip pascal and go volta.

That may not be a bad idea at all.


I'm with you guys.


And, if you're running SLI on either 970s or 980s, wait for Volta.

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:07:14 (permalink)
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And, if you're running SLI on either 970s or 980s, wait for Volta.


I liked the performance of my dual-SLI GTX-980s so much I invested in a couple of EK full cover waterblocks. These boards aren't going anywhere any time soon. I should be good until Volta and beyond.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:17:01 (permalink)
What you will wait 3 years with GTX980... OK.
I will upgrade on Pascal GP100 no matter when they launch.
I would upgrade on Pascal even from GTX980Ti, but I can't afford two of them and I have no problem to wait summer, autumn or winter for TITAN successor. More time, more money I will save for full unlocked model and M.2 512GB.
Yes I need card, but I would not like to pay 700 euro for one year old graphic card with 6GB GDDR5. 
Not because I don't want GTX980Ti or I don't like GTX980Ti, or because that's not good card... Matrix 980Ti Gold is very very fast and available in store 2km from me... But only because I must decide between Maxwell and Pascal and Pascal give more performance difference.
You know NVIDIA, they talk nothing... or little and than suddenly news.... NVIDIA launch cards for 15 days. 
People are impatience and I'm... But investing now in Maxwell would be mistake... I made one mistake, and didn't bought TITAN Black instead GK110 K|NGP|N and that cost me Maxwell and I now I should be calm not to force Maxwell...
It was not destiny to play on Maxwell and I should leave him to pass.
 
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:32:25 (permalink)
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What you will wait 3 years with GTX980... OK.
I will upgrade on Pascal GP100 no matter when they launch.
I would upgrade on Pascal even from GTX980Ti, but I can't afford two of them and I have no problem to wait summer, autumn or winter for TITAN successor. More time, more money I will save for full unlocked model and M.2 512GB.
Yes I need card, but I would not like to pay 700 euro for one year old graphic card with 6GB GDDR5. 
Not because I don't want GTX980Ti or I don't like GTX980Ti, or because that's not good card... Matrix 980Ti Gold is very very fast and available in store 2km from me... But only because I must decide between Maxwell and Pascal and Pascal give more performance difference.
You know NVIDIA, they talk nothing... or little and than suddenly news.... NVIDIA launch cards for 15 days. 
 
 


Never mind, I thought I read you already had a 980TI. Sorry.
 
Yes, I will wait 3 years for Volta with 2 980s. VRAM standards are 3gb-4gb, and it will stay there for a good 2-3 years. If it so happens that the industry will break the cycle and actually come up with something wow like in their game engines (don't count on it), then yes, I will consider upgrading to Pascal.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:44:35 (permalink)
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What you will wait 3 years with GTX980... OK.
I will upgrade on Pascal GP100 no matter when they launch.
I would upgrade on Pascal even from GTX980Ti, but I can't afford two of them and I have no problem to wait summer, autumn or winter for TITAN successor. More time, more money I will save for full unlocked model and M.2 512GB.
Yes I need card, but I would not like to pay 700 euro for one year old graphic card with 6GB GDDR5. 
Not because I don't want GTX980Ti or I don't like GTX980Ti, or because that's not good card... Matrix 980Ti Gold is very very fast and available in store 2km from me... But only because I must decide between Maxwell and Pascal and Pascal give more performance difference.
You know NVIDIA, they talk nothing... or little and than suddenly news.... NVIDIA launch cards for 15 days. 
People are impatience and I'm... But investing now in Maxwell would be mistake... I made one mistake, and didn't bought TITAN Black instead GK110 K|NGP|N and that cost me Maxwell and I now I should be calm not to force Maxwell...
It was not destiny to play on Maxwell and I should leave him to pass.
 
 


Yeah, I'm either going to wait three years or jump on some seriously discounted Pascal boards after Volta is released. I'm worried that Pascal is going to be a major problem child dealing with the new GPU chip and its interface on top of the fact that nVidia can't make up its mind about whether we'll be getting GDDR5 or HBM.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:51:58 (permalink)
Anyone else notice that these chips went back towards Fermi style cuda cores? Larger, more powerful but smaller number. As opposed to Kepler Maxwell cores that were smaller but more numerous.

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 08:54:14 (permalink)
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Yeah, I'm either going to wait three years or jump on some seriously discounted Pascal boards after Volta is released. I'm worried that Pascal is going to be a major problem child dealing with the new GPU chip and its interface on top of the fact that nVidia can't make up its mind about whether we'll be getting GDDR5 or HBM.


Pascal already has HBM2, look at the tesla card above. Just because the speculation and tech site rumors can't make up their mind what Nvidia is doing doesn't mean that Nvidia didn't know all along. That is why people need to stop reading speculation and start waiting for official releases. Imagine how little confusion thwre would be if that happened.

Not once has Nvidia actually said which they will use, that I have seen. They didn't state "Pascal will have hbm2" and it does, as shown above.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:11:10 (permalink)
I have to move up and purchase Pascal. I can't stay on legacy cards and I need the horsepower for VR.
I don't have maxwell so this will be a nice refresh for me
 
by the way there is gp 102,104,106 and 107
the 102 is titan/Ti
unless they have plans for a bigger 104
 
Nvidia tech chief said cards soon
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:12:24 (permalink)
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Pascal already has HBM2, look at the tesla card above. Just because the speculation and tech site rumors can't make up their mind what Nvidia is doing doesn't mean that Nvidia didn't know all along. That is why people need to stop reading speculation and start waiting for official releases. Imagine how little confusion thwre would be if that happened.

Not once has Nvidia actually said which they will use, that I have seen. They didn't state "Pascal will have hbm2" and it does, as shown above.

I've seen two versions of speculation since it isn't actually an official release statement from nVidia. One is that Pascal will use HBM and the other is that the initial release will use an upgraded version of GDDR5 called GDDR5+. Either way it doesn't really matter to me.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:28:54 (permalink)
 

 
 
What part of this chart can't you see HBM2?? - this is official from Nvidia's own blog
 
how about here
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-p100.html 
 
"16 GB of CoWoS HBM2 Stacked Memory"
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:31:14 (permalink)
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I've seen two versions of speculation since it isn't actually an official release statement from nVidia. One is that Pascal will use HBM and the other is that the initial release will use an upgraded version of GDDR5 called GDDR5+. Either way it doesn't really matter to me.


Just a quick note, my phone is stupid. If I type did, it changes to didn't all the time... I said "they did say they would use HBM2..." and it changed that part, >(
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:35:39 (permalink)
Xavier's post definitely has me considering to get a Pascal, lol. 4gb of HBM2 sounds golden, honestly. I'll hold off and see what people think of it before I consider getting one.

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:37:04 (permalink)
LOL...autocorrect plague....... that's OK...  be glad it spilled that instead of something totally stupid or offensive
 
 
Anyways gp104 will have GDDR5x - and expect 8GB
gp106-107 will have GDDR5 and 4GB
 
gp 102 may have HBM2 or GDDR5X - two version of cards with HBM2 are rumored to exist 
if gddr5x maybe 384bit bus...even 512 possible
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 09:40:43 (permalink)
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What part of this chart can't you see HBM2?? - this is official from Nvidia's own blog
 
how about here
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-p100.html 
 
"16 GB of CoWoS HBM2 Stacked Memory"
 


Those specs are for Tesla server and workstation cards not the regular gaming video boards that a home user like me would be able to afford or would be interested in buying.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 13:12:00 (permalink)
May 27 ???   GeForce GTX 1080 with 8GB gddr5x
 
Well, at least I have a nice juicy rumor just in time for the weekend. Asian based Benchlife claims that Nvidia will release a Pascal architecture based GeForce GTX 1080 with 8GB gddr5x in May. It would make sense as HBM2 will be available in volume only later in the year.
There's a precise date being mentioned as well, May 27th, four days prior to the Computex exhibition. Obviously Nvidia is not going to comment on this rumor.
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 13:19:21 (permalink)
The rumour mill has been spinning this week and today, it churned out some information on AMD’s next series of graphics cards. Apparently, we may see AMD launch the Radeon R9 490 and R9 490x at the end of June this year, following on from a preview at Computex, which kicks off at the end of May.
 
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/amd-radeon-r9-490-and-r9-490x-may-launch-in-june/ 
 
 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 15:18:17 (permalink)
All I want: is a solid 100FPS on my predator x34 on ultra settings in games.(is that too much to ask)
Sadly almost never does this happen due to poorly optimized games or SLI profiles. I would prefer games and SLI profiles be optimized with game launches than new GPU's every year. Even with my current rig I am surprised at how poor performance can be even with bleeding edge or enthusiast gear. That being said I will still purchase new cards because PC gaming, productivity, modding, water cooling is my passion.
 
So let the pascal cards roll in and ill throw water at them.   :)

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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/07 16:49:24 (permalink)

 
confirmed they had silicon in week29 of 2015 (mid year)
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards. 2016/04/08 00:15:15 (permalink)
Pascal will not become cheaper when Volta show up. If I remember TITAN, TITAN Black, only gone from market one day soon after new series show up. EVGA special always made exactly how much people want before new series show up. When new series show up they have only enough cards to cover RMA cases in next 2-3 years and cards gone from market. Waiting new series to show up only to pay 200$ less 2 years old card is madness above all. That's exactly as someone wait now GP100 and than spend 800$ on TITAN X.
Volta will be OK and every generation bring something new but for now Pascal with transfer from GDDR5 to HBM2 and faster memory is improvement as manufacturer offer once in 3-4 years. I don't know what will Volta have. It's very hard to believe now in sources.
That's as someone few months before GTX580 talk about GK110. Even worse... that's as someone few weeks or months before GTX480 talk about Kepler successor of Fermi and GK110. How knows what can happen, maybe even delay of architecture, maybe truck hit me on street... I mean period is long. Need to pass whole lifetime of still not presented architecture...
Maxwell will offer 25 fps in DX12 in that time. If GM200 have 50-55fps in some games as Witcher 3 now, DX11...
I could only imagine how much will NVIDIA to take care for them in next 3 years...
They will burn them rather than improve performance in DX12 games.  Whole point of investing is DX12 and Windows 10, new engines...
If someone don't care for that he could play even with two GTX780 and that will be almost same memory and fps as 980.
post edited by Vlada011 - 2016/04/08 00:20:46

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