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2021/09/19 06:30:54 (permalink)
I wanted to ask some advice on my new EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U running close to 95c while gaming. My new setup includes:
 
Intel Core i7-11700K w/ ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-R 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Red LED
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I have the case fans all running and plenty of space around the case for airflow but my GPU memory temps are reaching 94c and my CPU temps are hitting 90c on some cores. Are these temps ok? Will my components degrade or start to malfunction under these temperatures?
This is the first time I've ever been worried about the heat coming off the GPU and CPU. Am I a candidate for replacing the pads and paste on my 3080ti? I'm also curious about the i7 11700 running so hot in this setup. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 07:15:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Staffer1 2021/09/19 08:01:45
Well a few things going against you: Your case despite how it may appear is not very good for air flow and your choice in cooler for your 11700K is also very poor as it's just not really capable of dealing with the heat load an 11700K is capable of generating. I would highly suggest replacing it with a better air cooler like the Noctua NH D15 or a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 that can deal with the heat output of your CPU. 
 
As for the GPU, try removing the side panel of your case and testing again. I suspect you'll find significantly better temps after. The only remedy for that is a new case that has actual good air flow characteristics. 

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 08:01:40 (permalink)
Any case suggestions? I've had the Storm Stryker since 2012.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 08:10:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Staffer1 2021/09/19 10:10:20
Phanteks P500, Lian Li 011 Dynamic, Lian Li Lancool II Mesh, Corsair 5000D Airflow, Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL.....etc are some just off the top of my head. 
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 08:18:09 (permalink)
2nd vote for a new case, same recommendations as C-One, I prefer the Lancool.
 
Or your can radically modify the case so it's like a modern one.  Remove all the front grilles and drive cages and mount fans using zipties.
 
Staffer1 Am I a candidate for replacing the pads and paste on my 3080ti? I'm also curious about the i7 11700 running so hot in this setup. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 
There are a bunch of morons on Reddit who automatically recommend a pad replacement.  Half the time it's bad case air flow and the other half of the time someone is mining ETH with only average air flow.  EVGA cards have good thermals and when you attempt a pad replacement you have the risk of damaging the card while potentially making the thermals worse.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 08:57:04 (permalink)
The easiest way to confirm that it is an airflow issue is to remove the side panel on your case. If that drastically improves temperatures, then yeah you have an airflow problem. If not, you'll just be spinning your wheels. I have a high airflow case (P500A), and even for me opening the side panel will drop temperatures by 3-4 degrees under load because I run the case fans a little slower for noise purposes.
 
I think the diagnosis is correct but you should definitely test it out for yourself.


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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 09:02:47 (permalink)
I really like the Corsair 5000d airflow, but it only has room for a couple of hard drives and no optical drives.  I decided to go full SSD a while ago and don't run any HDD's anymore or optical drives - not sure if you care about that stuff.

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 09:06:02 (permalink)
If you remove the side panel to test for airflow, I'd recommend pointing a fan or two directly at the motherboard.  An open side panel can reveal airflow problems, but it doesn't always, since good airflow isn't simply about letting air escape all over the place, it's about guiding it over the parts of the pc that need cooling, which can actually work better in a closed case than on open one depending on the case, number of fans, and other factors.  Having said all that, yeah airflow is key, and it would be good to test it.



 

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 10:07:51 (permalink)
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Well a few things going against you: Your case despite how it may appear is not very good for air flow and your choice in cooler for your 11700K is also very poor as it's just not really capable of dealing with the heat load an 11700K is capable of generating. I would highly suggest replacing it with a better air cooler like the Noctua NH D15 or a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 that can deal with the heat output of your CPU. 


Just going to chime in, the CNPS9900 Max is rated for 300w dissipation. It can handle his chip. Lets address air flow first.

 
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 10:26:43 (permalink)
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Any case suggestions? I've had the Storm Stryker since 2012.


Lian Li Lancool II Mesh, the temps for my 3080 FTW3 are perfect. If you can, wait for the Lancool III.

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 10:28:19 (permalink)
I opened the side of the case, turned the fans way up and even have a room fan blowing into the open case. But temps are still in the 80's while gaming. My office sounds like a server/switch room now and is giving me a slight headache. It's a shame to because I was excited to finally upgrade the PC. I will keep trying though. I'd love to move the damned thing into another room and just use 20 foot extension cables for everything
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 10:35:43 (permalink)
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Well a few things going against you: Your case despite how it may appear is not very good for air flow and your choice in cooler for your 11700K is also very poor as it's just not really capable of dealing with the heat load an 11700K is capable of generating. I would highly suggest replacing it with a better air cooler like the Noctua NH D15 or a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 that can deal with the heat output of your CPU. 


Just going to chime in, the CNPS9900 Max is rated for 300w dissipation. It can handle his chip. Lets address air flow first.



I had a hard time believing this and there's no way it keeps a CPU running at 300w sustained from hitting 100C, but when running fast and loud it's only a bit behind a NH-D14:
 
https://www.frostytech.com/articles/2567/5.html
 
No way it keeps up with a 280mm AIO running push pull fans though, which is what I would want on a 11700K.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 10:57:57 (permalink)
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I had a hard time believing this and there's no way it keeps a CPU running at 300w sustained from hitting 100C, but when running fast and loud it's only a bit behind a NH-D14:


I'm just saying it should have no issue with a stock, or mild oc i7-11700k

 
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 11:28:21 (permalink)
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I opened the side of the case, turned the fans way up and even have a room fan blowing into the open case. But temps are still in the 80's while gaming. My office sounds like a server/switch room now and is giving me a slight headache. It's a shame to because I was excited to finally upgrade the PC. I will keep trying though. I'd love to move the damned thing into another room and just use 20 foot extension cables for everything . 


What does 80s mean? You said 88-94.. so going to low 80s is probably exactly what you should expect from opening the door if the case has poor airflow. That'd be a 10 degree improvement.

If it's still high 80s there may be other issues at play.


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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 12:53:42 (permalink)
GPU Fans running (and at what RPMs)?  Have you OCed your GPU?  Also, do you have your fans set for proper airflow?  Looking at that case, I don't think it would be that bad for airflow...(IMO)
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 13:06:57 (permalink)
I'd recommend that while gaming you use a fan curve that's set to 70% even while idling and ramp it up from there.  You can have a separate fan curve for when you're not gaming so your pc doesn't sound like a wind tunnel, but it's far easier to *prevent* things from heating up than it is to let them get hot and then try to cool them down.

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 13:45:50 (permalink)
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I opened the side of the case, turned the fans way up and even have a room fan blowing into the open case. But temps are still in the 80's while gaming. My office sounds like a server/switch room now and is giving me a slight headache. It's a shame to because I was excited to finally upgrade the PC. I will keep trying though. I'd love to move the damned thing into another room and just use 20 foot extension cables for everything


What does 80s mean? You said 88-94.. so going to low 80s is probably exactly what you should expect from opening the door if the case has poor airflow. That'd be a 10 degree improvement.

If it's still high 80s there may be other issues at play.

 
It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 14:10:57 (permalink)
 
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It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 



LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.


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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 14:18:27 (permalink)
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It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 



LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.






That LTT video is 5 years old and uses a blower style cooler that exhausts out of the case.  Anything that impedes air flow volume across a gpu is going to increase temps.  All these new high power cards need big case airflow to feed fresh air to their intake fans and move away warm exhaust air.  Most people with temp problems don't set their fans high enough and have some sort of poor flow config where the card loops back in its own warm exhaust.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 17:22:33 (permalink)
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It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 



LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.






That LTT video is 5 years old and uses a blower style cooler that exhausts out of the case.  Anything that impedes air flow volume across a gpu is going to increase temps.  All these new high power cards need big case airflow to feed fresh air to their intake fans and move away warm exhaust air.  Most people with temp problems don't set their fans high enough and have some sort of poor flow config where the card loops back in its own warm exhaust.


They stuffed a shirt in there and it didn't have effect on the CPU either. I can say I had a mess of wires when I had a non-modular, and fixing it didn't change the temps at all. There's just not enough that could be blocking it.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 17:36:44 (permalink)
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It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 



LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.






That LTT video is 5 years old and uses a blower style cooler that exhausts out of the case.  Anything that impedes air flow volume across a gpu is going to increase temps.  All these new high power cards need big case airflow to feed fresh air to their intake fans and move away warm exhaust air.  Most people with temp problems don't set their fans high enough and have some sort of poor flow config where the card loops back in its own warm exhaust.


They stuffed a shirt in there and it didn't have effect on the CPU either. I can say I had a mess of wires when I had a non-modular, and fixing it didn't change the temps at all. There's just not enough that could be blocking it.


 
Obviously a few cables isn't going to have the same effect as a front rad, solid front panel or a bunch of hard drive cages.  The cables are going to have even less of an effect if they are in case that is already low airflow. 
 
That LLT "test" was done with a 180w (LOL) Reference GTX 980 and whatever CPU+load was only hitting 50C as a baseline with a Hyper 212, not high power either. You could do the same thing with a 3090 FTW3 and it would be at 90C in seconds.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 17:58:56 (permalink)
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I opened the side of the case, turned the fans way up and even have a room fan blowing into the open case. But temps are still in the 80's while gaming. My office sounds like a server/switch room now and is giving me a slight headache. It's a shame to because I was excited to finally upgrade the PC. I will keep trying though. I'd love to move the damned thing into another room and just use 20 foot extension cables for everything


What does 80s mean? You said 88-94.. so going to low 80s is probably exactly what you should expect from opening the door if the case has poor airflow. That'd be a 10 degree improvement.

If it's still high 80s there may be other issues at play.

 
It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 




That is the expected result then. 88-94 down to 82-84'C is a big jump. It is unlikely you'd be able to do better than that by upgrading your case/airflow situation. It is definitely a toasty case when it's closed up.
 
I don't know what is normal for an XC3, however my FTW3 can get into the high 70s. So I'd guess 82'C is normal. I'd be more worried about the CPU than your GPU if I were you, though you can consider a Hybrid kit if you want it cooler.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:13:47 (permalink)
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It's hovering around 82 -84c now during MSFS 2020. Precision X1 shows all 3 fans on auto. Case is pulling air in from the front and pushing it out the back of the case. There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case. Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 



LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.






That LTT video is 5 years old and uses a blower style cooler that exhausts out of the case.  Anything that impedes air flow volume across a gpu is going to increase temps.  All these new high power cards need big case airflow to feed fresh air to their intake fans and move away warm exhaust air.  Most people with temp problems don't set their fans high enough and have some sort of poor flow config where the card loops back in its own warm exhaust.


They stuffed a shirt in there and it didn't have effect on the CPU either. I can say I had a mess of wires when I had a non-modular, and fixing it didn't change the temps at all. There's just not enough that could be blocking it.


 
Obviously a few cables isn't going to have the same effect as a front rad, solid front panel or a bunch of hard drive cages.  The cables are going to have even less of an effect if they are in case that is already low airflow. 
 
That LLT "test" was done with a 180w (LOL) Reference GTX 980 and whatever CPU+load was only hitting 50C as a baseline with a Hyper 212, not high power either. You could do the same thing with a 3090 FTW3 and it would be at 90C in seconds.


If it's obvious then good. That's why I told him. You can run the same test with 280 watt, or 450 watt on the GPU if you want to with wires and it still won't matter.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:29:50 (permalink)
Wow, I go out to a BBQ for the afternoon and come back and this thread is just brimming with bad advice and recommendations. 
 
1) I don' care what Zalman "rates" the CNPS9900 to be able to handle, the truth of the matter is that it simply cannot cope with the thermal load a 11700K is capable of generating. You want to base these assumptions on benchmarks done almost a decade ago with CPUs that couldn't even dream about sucking down as much power as the current gen Intel CPU, fine you believe whatever you want to believe, I on the other hand have a preference for "reality"
 
2) yes cable management can and does affect temperatures of your components. If you have a rats nest of wires and cables in a case with a CPU than easily knock back 300w at load and a GPU that casually eats 350w you are going to have issues if you don't have proper airflow. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:31:05 (permalink)
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If it's obvious then good. That's why I told him. You can run the same test with 280 watt, or 450 watt on the GPU if you want to with wires and it still won't matter.




Sigh.  Did you look up what kind of case OP has?  I did. It was the first thing I did before I even posted in this thread.  There is literally a wall of hard drive cages in the front of the case.
 
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 There is allot of cable mess and stuff in the front of my case.

 
I never argued that cable management makes a major difference, only that "Anything that impedes air flow volume across a gpu is going to increase temps".  The LLT "test" cannot be referenced as relevant to a modern system. Obviously a few wires do not impede air flow in a meaningful way.
 
In this situation if there are large solid objects like DRIVE BAYS in OP's case front, that is something I'd be concerned about, because it's highly likely to be a problem.
 

 
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:34:28 (permalink)
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Sigh.  Did you look up what kind of case OP has?  I did. It was the first thing I did before I even posted in this thread.  There is literally a wall of hard drive cages in the front of the case.
 
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Not the best at cable management. I could try that.

 
I never argued that cable management makes a major difference, only that everything does make a difference, iF yOu CaN dEtEcT iT oR nOt.  Obviously in this situation if there are large solid objects like DRIVE BAYS in OP's case front, that is something I'd be concerned about, because it's highly likely to be a problem.
 

 


If you say so. ðŸ˜‚
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:43:45 (permalink)
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I opened the side of the case, turned the fans way up and even have a room fan blowing into the open case. But temps are still in the 80's while gaming. My office sounds like a server/switch room now and is giving me a slight headache. It's a shame to because I was excited to finally upgrade the PC. I will keep trying though. I'd love to move the damned thing into another room and just use 20 foot extension cables for everything




It should be noted that the "room fan blowing on the side of the gpu" only has limited effectiveness.  The GPU intakes air from the fans and exhausts it out the top and bottom of the heatsink fins.  Thus all you really need is one 120mm fan blowing fresh air lengthwise along the front of the gpu, feeding the fans fresh air and blowing exhaust air out of the way.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:52:07 (permalink)
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If you say so. ðŸ˜‚




Seemingly you want to argue about cable management.  You are free to not cable manage your electronics.  I personally have about a thousand times more experience than you with cable management/bundling/dressing, that says cable management is generally a good idea for a variety of reasons, regardless of air flow. 
 
Should OP manage his cables?  Probably.  But I make no claims it will improve air flow, unless it's like a wall currently.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 18:59:01 (permalink)
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Wow, I go out to a BBQ for the afternoon and come back and this thread is just brimming with bad advice and recommendations. 
 
1) I don' care what Zalman "rates" the CNPS9900 to be able to handle, the truth of the matter is that it simply cannot cope with the thermal load a 11700K is capable of generating. You want to base these assumptions on benchmarks done almost a decade ago with CPUs that couldn't even dream about sucking down as much power as the current gen Intel CPU, fine you believe whatever you want to believe, I on the other hand have a preference for "reality"
 

 
Look, I'm not going to argue with you about the age of it, we both know it is old. I do not run an Intel build, I cannot directly comment. I do however have my 11 year old CNPS9900 Max mounted on my 5950x, and that does a fantastic job cooling it. Also kept my 220w FX-9370 cool for ever and a day. So, ya.
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Re: New EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 U reaching 88-94c while gaming. 2021/09/19 19:00:28 (permalink)
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If you say so. ðŸ˜‚




Seemingly you want to argue about cable management.  You are free to not cable manage your electronics.  I personally have about a thousand times more experience than you with cable management/bundling/dressing, that says that cable management is generally a good idea for a variety of reasons, regardless of air flow. 
 
Should OP manage his cables?  Probably.  But I make no claims it will improve air flow, unless it's like a wall currently.


Just telling the guy he doesn't have to bother cable managing if he doesn't want to, and drawing more power on more efficient hardware/designs doesn't suddenly make the old LTT test invalid. If it did we'd be forced into liquid cooling at 450 watts. We're not.
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