Roy10266

kevinc313

Roy10266

If you say so. 😂

Seemingly you want to argue about cable management.  You are free to not cable manage your electronics.  I personally have about a thousand times more experience than you with cable management/bundling/dressing, that says that cable management is generally a good idea for a variety of reasons, regardless of air flow. 
 
Should OP manage his cables?  Probably.  But I make no claims it will improve air flow, unless it's like a wall currently.

Just telling the guy he doesn't have to bother cable managing if he doesn't want to, and drawing more power on more efficient hardware/designs doesn't suddenly make the old LTT test invalid. If it did we'd be forced into liquid cooling at 450 watts. We're not.

Sigh.  The LTT test is with a 180 WATT GPU with a BLOWER COOLER.  It has Zero Relevance to a 3080 Ti at 350W with a Triple Fan cooler.  The blower cooler exhausts all hot air out of the case and is less susceptible to restriction.  We have no idea what the actual power draw used was.  If you don't understand how this makes it irrelevant, you are not qualified to discuss properly cooling a modern GPU.

Roy10266
You yourself has said cable managing 'probably' won't make a perceivable difference in GPU temp. My 450 watt 3080 runs cooler than my 280ish watt 2080, so the wattage makes no relevant difference in if cables block enough air.

No idea what you're even trying to argue at this point, aside from trying to strawman yourself into some sort of mental victory.  I'm not debating anything about cable managment vs. airflow, though you seem to be obsessed with that.  The LTT 'test' uses multiple hard objects in a case to cause restriction, and they have little effect on a lower power blower GPU.  Completely irrelevant to a modern system where the high power GPU needs lots of free case air flow.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCMMf-_ASE

kevinc313

Roy10266
You yourself has said cable managing 'probably' won't make a perceivable difference in GPU temp. My 450 watt 3080 runs cooler than my 280ish watt 2080, so the wattage makes no relevant difference in if cables block enough air.

No idea what you're even trying to argue at this point, aside from trying to strawman yourself into some sort of mental victory.  I'm not debating anything about cable managment vs. airflow, though you seem to be obsessed with that.  The LTT 'test' uses multiple hard objects in a case to cause restriction, and they have little effect on a lower power blower GPU.  Completely irrelevant to a modern system where the high power GPU needs lots of free case air flow.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCMMf-_ASE

So you're saying the test was invalid from the beginning, yet the result is the same (wires aren't enough to affect case airflow or GPU temp).
Ok. OP, it's agreed the whole time that you don't have to manage your cables, so just ignore us.

Staffer1
 
 
Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 

kevinc313
Obviously a few wires do not impede air flow in a meaningful way

Just confirming. You say the LTT test is invalid, but the results are the same; cable management doesn't make a perceivable difference to airflow or GPU temps and OP can save his effort by not.

kevinc313

Roy10266

Staffer1
 
 
Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 

kevinc313
Obviously a few wires do not impede air flow in a meaningful way

Just confirming. You say the LTT test is invalid, but the results are the same; cable management doesn't make a perceivable difference to airflow or GPU temps and OP can save his effort by not.

You're in your own little world, pal.

I'm not hearing a no.

Roy10266
I'm not hearing a no.

 

Roy10266
Hey, I'm not the one saying a test is invalid while also implying an updated test with current hardware would yield the same result. Pretty useless observation if you ask me.

kevinc313
Obviously a few wires do not impede air flow in a meaningful way

 

The "test" was not just a few wires:
 
https://youtu.be/YDCMMf-_ASE?t=382
 
Supposedly this had no effect on temps.  If you did this on a current ~400w FTW3 card, you would have a *problem*. 
 
Stop referencing this video, it's stupid.
 
 

Roy10266

kevinc313

Roy10266
Hey, I'm not the one saying a test is invalid while also implying an updated test with current hardware would yield the same result. Pretty useless observation if you ask me.

kevinc313
Obviously a few wires do not impede air flow in a meaningful way

 

The "test" was not just a few wires:
 
https://youtu.be/YDCMMf-_ASE?t=382
 
 

So in OP's case we're talking about non-modular PSUs at worst. One of your quotes of me was about redoing the test 'with wires' (excluding stuffing a shirt in the case).

My 450 watt GPU runs cooler in the same setup than a 280 watt GPU of an older gen, so you'll have a hard time convincing me with no evidence that suddenly your average non-modular setup is impeding airflow enough to raise GPU temps.

I literally posted a pic of OP's case model with front drive bays which is hella bad.  He has not said if they were removed, no idea if they can be.  It's highly likely this the root of the problem.  You're the only one talking about non-modular PSU's and messy cables.
 

 
If you want to talk about temps, why don't we talk about these temps?
 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955
 
Or how about these temps?
 

 
By the way, while we're talking about cases, does anyone have any case recommendations for SLI 3090 FTW3 Hybrids plus a CLC280?

Roy10266
So here's the order of events.
 

Staffer1
Not the best at cable management. I could try that. 

Roy10266
LTT and others have shown us that cable management doesn't affect temps.

kevinc313
REEEE IT'S INVALID, but the result is still true; cable management doesn't affect temps!

 
Just to be excessively clear:
 
- The LTT airflow obstruction 'test' video should not be cited when discussing general obstruction in modern systems, as their test setup and conclusions regarding large obstruction in general do not apply to modern systems.
 
- I have no specific opinion on air flow vs. cable management, other than that cables should be managed for various other reasons and it can't hurt airflow.
 
These two statements are not mutually exclusive.
 

Telsinia
Wow these forums need way better moderation about going off topic - Why has no-one just suggested just to undervolt and knock back temps by 5+ degrees
 
Yes your case airflow isnt the best but simply put the easiest way to cool down these cards with minimal FPS and performance loss is undervolt....simples...
 
Now stop blithering about cable management and actually help the OP.....

Undervolting a $1000+ GPU is ridiculous and inexcusable in all circumstances.  Spend the ~$100 on a proper modern ATX air flow case or buy a 3070 in the first place.

Telsiniamaybe go do some research on the subject.

Great option if you want to gimp performance by 10%. May as well buy a good 3080 and case, come out ahead $$$ and get the same performance.
 
(hint: Undervolting has been debated endlessly and everyone already has an opinion)

kraade
Undervolt and stick a portable fan in the side with the cover off and find and shop for a Good airflow case, Gamers Nexus has many reviews to help you decide

Or just turn down the power limit and apply an overclock.

Celeras
Undervolting is literally how you overclock most effectively, and has been for the better part of a decade: https://forums.evga.com/3...-results-m3466393.aspx

 
Undervolting is a scam and a waste of a perfectly good GPU.  Particularly egregious if it's a premium model where you pay a disproportional amount for that extra 10-15% of performance.  EVGA went to the effort to provide a good cooler, the least you can do is properly set it up in a good case with good cooling so you can run it at max power with a proper overclock and get the most out of it.
 
Did not comment this in your thread, but I had no problem running my 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra at max power sustained 4K120 VRR and 1,995-2,100 mhz, while staying under 70C.  Plenty of time around 2,055 mhz.  Upgraded to a 3090 FTW3 for more power.
 

Quit hijacking the man's thread with your terrible takes and spam.

 
I generally left your thread alone.  You've been here 10 years and have 3 ribbons, 800 posts.  Maybe I'm "new" here by some people's standards and I might post too much for some people's liking, but you should take note of my ribbon count and post count, it has a better ratio than yours.

Celeras
The ignorance is staggering. Imagine saying "1995-2100mhz" like it's a good thing.

Anyone who undervolts that same card you had will have it running at clocks which exceed that average, while having it never throttle, run cooler, and run more efficiently. You don't even seem to realize that undervolts also utilize "max power"... maybe take a better look at the linked thread and spend less time spamming your nonsense.

I know how to lock vcore and clock silly, that's how I was able to pull off this run:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955
 
Did this GPU score with a 3080 beat your undervolted 3080 Ti?  Probably, it was at 2,250mhz and had superlative cooling.
 
Nvidia went to a lot of trouble to develop Boost 4.0 and design chips that are intended to operate on a power limit and dynamically select core clock and vcore across a large range of loads.  Why fight it?  Sure I'd rather have a 3080 Ti that has enough power to sustain 2,100mhz, but I'd also rather have one that spends plenty of time above 2,000mhz, vs. locking it below that.  Just like I've got a VRR display.

Celeras

kevinc313
I know how to lock vcore and clock silly, that's how I was able to pull off this run:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955
 
Did this GPU score (20,324) with a 3080 beat your undervolted 3080 Ti? Probably, it was at 2,250mhz and had superlative cooling.

You'd need another 2,000 points. Good luck.

Post it up.  The doubt is real.  Nobody is pulling 22,300 Timespy GPU Score at 1,980mhz (your undervolt setting) on a 3080 Ti. 
 
There's only 25 people worldwide with a 3080 Ti TS GPU score above 22,300.  All are over 2,100mhz, sustained, many by quite a bit.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/se...lock=&maxCpuClock=