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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/16 18:29:28
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Hi guys, big noob here. I've known about the existence of f@h for a while but I didn't know what it was for, nor did want to know what it was for; that ends today. I've started folding, of course that doesn't mean that I am going to be good at it on this system, but it's a start! Already joined team evga, didn't put much thought into it except that I knew this team before any of the rest. My PPD is pretty low and I don't expect to earn big evga bucks unless i get a gpu upgrade later this year, or buy some parts and put together a 24/7 folding rig in addition to my main pc. Also not sure about my numbers. Neither My Folding nor stanford's user stats page have updated to show my scores. The client says I'm sitting at about 21517 total ppd, but a closer look shows that roughly 16000 comes from my i7-3770 and a mere 5510 comes from my GT 640. I know Kepler is bad at compute, but this bad? Not sure if it's a big no-no but I don't have any evga parts...the GT 640 is the DDR5 version on this page , basically a 650 downclocked and without a power connector. A bit paranoid about my temps, I'm running stock heatsink and hitting consistent 70-75°C across the cores. Too warm?
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/16 19:26:30
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Welcome. Have you turned in a Work Unit yet? You don't show up in the stats until you've completed and returned a WU. Stanford's stats page updates at the top of every hour, while the third-party stats pages update every 3 hours. One thing to note is that a WU returned too close to an update might not make it into that update; a WU received at 8:58 pm probably won't show up on the 9 pm Stanford update, but should be in the 10 pm one. 21k PPD would actually get you the full 10 Bucks every month assuming you folded 24/7; currently it's 250k points per month for the first 5 Bucks and another 250k (so 500k total) for the second 5. They haven't announced what the point levels will be for next year, which for EVGA's purposes starts in March, so those levels could rise in a few weeks. If you haven't done so, you should get a passkey. The PPD that the current public release of the client estimates assumes that you have one; the next public release will only do so if there's a valid passkey detected. All CPU WUs, and some GPU WUs, use a Quick Return Bonus point scheme where a good deal of the points earned are based on how fast a WU is returned. You need a passkey to earn the bonus, and you need to complete 10 bonus-eligible WUs to start earning a bonus. The GT 640 isn't a particularly powerful card, but the PPD will also be affected by what core is running. The core is what does the actual calculations, and there are several of them. On the Nvidia end of things, there are currently two cores in use, core 15 and core 17. Core 17, introduced a little under a year ago, is newer and runs particularly fast on Kepler cards; a quick google search found someone reporting 23k PPD on a 640, and on high-end Keplers the PPD can be in the hundreds of thousands. Core 15 is the old core and is both slower than core 17 and earns less PPD because it's not as capable as core 17. My guess is you're running core 15 WUs right now; if the WU you're running is not from project 8900 or 9401, then you're using core 15. BTW core 17 uses the QRB, while core 15 does not. Normally there's no way to specify which project or core to run (the ability to set a project preference is in the client but hasn't been implemented in Stanford's work servers), but by some server quirks there is a way to all but guarantee core 17 WUs; this is a step-by-step guide. You're not really supposed to be running the beta flag if you're not a beta team member, so you won't get any official support if you do, but other than that they don't care much. They certainly won't kick you out or anything. There are many members here who can help with issues. No one minds if you're not running EVGA parts; part of the Bucks program is to make sure that you will be in the future. 70-75C is warm, but not dangerously so. Most GPUs are designed to get up to 100-105C without failing, though I try to keep mine under 90C.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/16 20:41:47
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I presume that a WU is whatever the progress bar in % is for? In that case, I'm not even close...i have about 70% to go. I may leave it on overnight tonight though. I'm a bit nervous about my computer though to leave it 24/7; everything seems OK except for my 2TB Barracuda that I'm keeping an eye on ever since activeSMART told me that it was reporting critical condition for no reason (everything else in SMART was a-ok)...I'll try to let it finish its work tonight. I take it that if I don't get the WU in 12 hrs, then 21k isn't accurate in terms of points? Damn...this is going to hard without a folding rig. I see. I wasn't expecting much out of that GPU anyways. For the temps I meant my CPU; I can keep my GPU at a constant 70° which is below what I can hit during BF3/4 gaming. Thanks, for your help man, I really appreciate the welcome.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/16 23:04:47
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Yes, a WU is what the progress bar is showing, and yes, the PPD figure it shows assumes that it's going to keep running 24/7. Temps of 70-75C on a desktop CPU are creeping up near what I'd consider to be uncomfortably warm, but I don't think that's dangerously high (a laptop CPU would be a different story, as they're usually rated to run a lot hotter).
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/17 00:23:36
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tabascosauz I presume that a WU is whatever the progress bar in % is for? In that case, I'm not even close...i have about 70% to go. I may leave it on overnight tonight though. I'm a bit nervous about my computer though to leave it 24/7; everything seems OK except for my 2TB Barracuda that I'm keeping an eye on ever since activeSMART told me that it was reporting critical condition for no reason (everything else in SMART was a-ok)...I'll try to let it finish its work tonight. I take it that if I don't get the WU in 12 hrs, then 21k isn't accurate in terms of points? Damn...this is going to hard without a folding rig. I see. I wasn't expecting much out of that GPU anyways. For the temps I meant my CPU; I can keep my GPU at a constant 70° which is below what I can hit during BF3/4 gaming. Thanks, for your help man, I really appreciate the welcome.
a bit nervous running 24/7? dont be.... been running my machines 24/7 for years....4 years for the q6600 with no breakdowns actually it's easier on hardware - less power spikes - and less heating/cooling cycles businesses keep systems up 24/7 for backup reasons and mission critical necessity As for the seagate drive...I don't know the issue...so it's up to you to monitor or find out what the issue is Folding points fluctuate...the "PROJECTED" PPD is just an estimate...things like network issues, cpu usage, computer downtime will affect things at 21k daily is about 140K weekly - about 600k monthly
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/17 03:39:28
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Welcome to the team tabascosauz!!! Lots of us arrived here in exactly the same way that you did. It is not at all unusual for people (at first) to be wary of running their rigs 24x7. As with all PCs there will be eventual failures, but I have not found failures on my rigs (running 24x7) to be anything excessive or frequent due to this work. Products with moving parts like HDDs can be affected by total run time/duty cycle, but those things are so cheap that if I lose one every 5 years, it was worth the sacrifice. The thing that some of us face (who are running multiple rigs 24x7) is electrical costs and room heat. Fold whatever works for you, what you are comfortable doing and eventually you will be just as addicted to finding cures as the rest of us are!
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/17 12:52:50
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Well, I tried to leave it on but I still went and turned it off last night at 45% of the WU. I was playing with the settings to see if I could find a good balance between PPD and CPU temps because I ended up in high 70s and that's quite warm for a CPU (maybe I should consider a cheap closed-loop like the H55 or just a 212 evo), but there's only so much I can do with the stock heatsink in the XPS 8500 (the heatsink is stock intel, but the fan is some random 92mm that Dell slapped on there). So it's possible to build a folding rig with 2 GPUs without SLI? Like if I had my GT 640 and another DDR3 GT 640 or a GTX 650 I could set it up so that both GPUs work on one slot? Or would I need to SLI? Obviously I wouldn't be gaming on that anyway
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/17 13:11:56
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If your worried about cpu heat, the 212 evo is a really good cooler for the money. The factory ones aren't usually very good,especially if your overclocking. The AIO are good as well from what I have read. If you added another GPU , you should disable SLI. Either way each card will fold a separate project [WU]. Also if you do plan to add a card, I would advise you to get a better performing card. Like Tex said, most of us started out small, then upgraded like madman when the folding bug hit. It becomes an addiction, for many of us there is no cure...lol And with that I want to say welcome to TEAM EVGA!!! EDIT: before you buy the 212, make sure it will fit in your case. It is a tall cooler. GL!
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/17 19:50:07
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One last question before I go, if I add a GPU like the GTX 660 or 760 to my system not in SLI, would there be any way to set one GPU to fold without holding back the other. I would, in an ideal situation, like to save a few bucks on the extra mobo and CPU by not getting those and that way, I can use the 760 for gaming and the 640 for folding. Would that be possible, like how people set up a stronger GPU as their primary when gaming and use an older one like a GTS 450 or 560 Ti to handle PhysX? Right now, the 640 is crunching some good numbers but it lags my system hard when i fold with GPU (CPU works like a charm). Thanks for all the helpful replies and warm welcome to EVGA forums! I'll take my time to explore my options for folding; sorry for bothering y'all with these questions in this thread.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/18 04:50:13
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tabascosauz Thanks for all the helpful replies and warm welcome to EVGA forums! I'll take my time to explore my options for folding; sorry for bothering y'all with these questions in this thread.
No bother at all and we will take interest/questions wherever. The reason I suggested opening a new thread in the main forum is because more people read that section and you will likely get more responses. Also saw your post over in the "Why we Fold" section and it was a thoughtful reminder of something that we see here all the time. We have people here across a very wide bracket of ages and one thing that is common is that there is no age limit to caring about someone else.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/18 17:34:57
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70c isn't bad - Ive have my rigs overclocked and had my cpu's in mid 80's and up to 91c (thermal shutdown) Id take 70's in a heartbeat - nominal for an overclock the keplers all stay in the high 50's and low 60's since Ive gone complete custom WC loop(was air on gpu's before) all Ive got to say is the CPU affects my gpu temps more than my gpus affect my CPU temps and nothing goes into 70's - mainly 60 or below - gpu's under 60c - cpu is higher damn that pump even at low makes more noise than the fans at max(which are silent - do I hear birds chirpin - not thats the whine of the pump which changes speeds every once in awhile)...LOL Yea do what is comfortable to you... we may be all fanatics so don't let us talk you into anything if you need cooling check out CPU coolers even a WC LOOP(if you have room)
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/18 20:01:20
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OK...i tried to fold using core 17 but project 8900 refused to start...for a whole day it was at 0.0% unknown. Didn't know what to do so went back to regular core 15 and can now do 10k on CPU and 8.5k on GPU which is an improvement over not folding at all...
Funny because even though there was no progress the GPU was still lagging very hard...way slower than core 15 folding to the point of unusability. Weird because the card would plateau at 64° while right now it folds at 69-71°, never higher, never lower.
Some strange sorcery going on here.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/18 22:22:46
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Core 17 takes some time to start up, and that amount of time scales inversely with GPU power (i.e. a faster GPU will take less time to get through the startup phase), but it shouldn't take more than maybe 10-15 minutes on a lower-end card, and certainly not hours. I would say check whether the power slider is on Medium or Full, as Medium doesn't run the GPU when the computer is in use, but if you were seeing significant lag and the temps were that high, that strongly suggests core 17 was running. Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about the lag other than setting the client to medium; neither of the GPU manufacturers nor any of the OS companies have done much to get GPUs to schedule their time like CPUs do, and core 17 really makes good use of the Kepler architecture. Lower temps on core 17 vs. core 15 actually isn't unusual.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/02/20 12:44:18
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make sure you leave a cpu thread open for each gpu under core 17 if you don't the gpu will become cpu starved and can hang (the new gpu client core core requires 1 thread per GPU...actually slightly more from my experience) so for a 3770k leave 1,2 or 4 threads open (1 for single GPU 2 for 2GPUs, 4 for 3 gpu's) it also takes a while before the new core will update % and update points for the WU
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/03/21 16:48:40
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Hello there everyone, Im a complete noob to folding, just hoping i got everything setup right. I havn't compleated a job yet so i don't think i'll know till i do. I have a i7 2600k overclocked to bout 4.4 with an evga 560ti 2 gig stock overclocked at 900. I don't know if the promotions are still going on but i figured it would be fun to do it with a group if there is anyone active on here:) *edit, i din't know what chart yall were talkin about. also anysugesstions about lowering the temp on my gpu its running a lil high for my liking and the fan speed is at 100%
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/03/22 00:48:23
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Id suggest using the fan at 100% or find some fans and improve airflow thru case
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/03/22 09:28:43
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The chart is the bottom-most link in the first post of this thread. To be added, you'd follow the second-from-bottom link. It's not necessary, however.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/03/22 10:26:00
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thank you guys, card is still not as cool as i want it, i am having some issues with the placement due to a wifi pciex1 card getting in the way of where i want to put it. but thats for another forum topic i'm sure. I don't think i'll ever make the teirs, but why not try haha. its sayin i'm only gonna get 22k a day so i dont think there is any way, but thats nbot what its for anyways :) any suggestions on speeding it up or if the crunching is more active let me know. I would at least like to earn some badges someday ty in advance for ya help
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/03/22 12:07:48
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Hey Clayton welcome to our folding team!! Were very glad to have you folding [or crunching] with us! I don't know if it will help ,but I don't like the auto fan profiles. To me they ramp up too late and try to play catch up with temps. If you are running precision ,there is a fan profile tab. In there you can make whatever profile you want, I find this worked better for me, when I was on air. You can pick the temp and what speed you want out of your fans. It may or may not help you, but I hope it does. Here's a section that tells about EVGA's folding promo, if you haven't seen it. http://www.evga.com/folding/And of course if you have any questions , we have many helpful and friendly folks that are glad to help.
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Hey guys, new to the club. Running 2 gtx670 FTW's and an I7 3770k @ 4.9Ghz. So how does the bonus points work, as in how do they link to this account? Also, how do i get a sweet sig banner that shows my stats?
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Welcome, Seadog. The bonus works like this: You need to get a passkey from here, then enter it into the client, either during installation or through one of the control panels (Web Control->Change Identity or Advanced Control->Configure->Identity tab). Once it's entered, you need to prime the passkey by completing 10 bonus-eligible Work Units; before that, you will only be getting base points. All WUs run on your CPU are bonus-eligible. Currently there are some issues with the servers that give out bonus-eligible GPU WUs, so most of the WUs that your 670s get only earn base points no matter what and will not count towards priming the passkey. The bonus points are credited based on how quickly you return WUs, and is calculated from the time that the WU is sent out to your computer to when it's returned. If the piece of hardware folding a particular WU is not running because you're gaming, or the computer is off, etc., then the bonus points will continue to decrease during that time. The bonus equation is exponential, so halving your return time would more than double your Points Per Day; the Pande Group really likes WUs returned quickly. But don't feel bad if you want to game or do something else. If by "this account" you mean your EVGA account, then the passkey is not directly linked. FAH publishes everyone's stats publicly. EVGA grabs its members' stats and keeps track of them locally. So, having a bonus-qualified passkey will earn you a lot more points, which EVGA will see, but EVGA is not in any way responsible for the passkeys themselves. For sig banners, see here. Note that you need to be in EOC's stats database first, which means you need to have completed at least one WU and wait a few hours. FAH updates its stats at the top of every hour, while EOC, which uses the stats that FAH publishes, only updates every three hours. One thing to watch out for is that FAH's stats servers don't usually get around to WUs that were returned too close to the update, and EOC will be similarly delayed. So, if your first WU was turned in at 8:46 am CT (the time zone that EOC is in), FAH's system will in all likelihood not credit that WU on the 9 am CT update, meaning that EOC won't credit it in its 9 am update. It should be handled by the 10 am FAH update, which means that EOC will get to it in its 12 pm update.
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Zagen30 Welcome, Seadog. The bonus works like this: You need to get a passkey from , then enter it into the client, either during installation or through one of the control panels (Web Control->Change Identity or Advanced Control->Configure->Identity tab). Once it's entered, you need to prime the passkey by completing 10 bonus-eligible Work Units; before that, you will only be getting base points. All WUs run on your CPU are bonus-eligible. Currently there are some issues with the servers that give out bonus-eligible GPU WUs, so most of the WUs that your 670s get only earn base points no matter what and will not count towards priming the passkey. The bonus points are credited based on how quickly you return WUs, and is calculated from the time that the WU is sent out to your computer to when it's returned. If the piece of hardware folding a particular WU is not running because you're gaming, or the computer is off, etc., then the bonus points will continue to decrease during that time. The bonus equation is exponential, so halving your return time would more than double your Points Per Day; the Pande Group really likes WUs returned quickly. But don't feel bad if you want to game or do something else. If by "this account" you mean your EVGA account, then the passkey is not directly linked. FAH publishes everyone's stats publicly. EVGA grabs its members' stats and keeps track of them locally. So, having a bonus-qualified passkey will earn you a lot more points, which EVGA will see, but EVGA is not in any way responsible for the passkeys themselves. For sig banners, see . Note that you need to be in EOC's stats database first, which means you need to have completed at least one WU and wait a few hours. FAH updates its stats at the top of every hour, while EOC, which uses the stats that FAH publishes, only updates every three hours. One thing to watch out for is that FAH's stats servers don't usually get around to WUs that were returned too close to the update, and EOC will be similarly delayed. So, if your first WU was turned in at 8:46 am CT (the time zone that EOC is in), FAH's system will in all likelihood not credit that WU on the 9 am CT update, meaning that EOC won't credit it in its 9 am update. It should be handled by the 10 am FAH update, which means that EOC will get to it in its 12 pm update.
Thanks a ton. Got mine up finally lol. So when it comes to "redeeming" the evga bucks, which i understand are not the reason we fold, how would we go about that? Sorry if it's a noob question. I just like to know all the details and how things work. Also, if I change my name to match my EVGA log in name, will that change my stats? OR is it all linked via passkey? Thanks again.
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If you haven't already, make sure to enter your name here. This is required for EVGA's system to track your stats. They prefer your EVGA name and folding name to be the same, as the system can handle that automatically, but if they're not you can PM mod EVGA_Rob and he can manually set it. It sounds like you're planning to change your folding name anyway, which is probably the simplest solution at this early stage. Once the above is taken care of, you actually redeem your Bucks by going to this page. When you've hit either monthly milestone, a button will appear there saying "[point value] Request for [MM/YYYY]", e.g. "750k Request for 04/2014" for hitting 750k points in April. Click on it, and within a few days you should get an email saying the milestone has been approved. The Bucks should be credited to your account within a few days after that. As to the issue of changing your name, any folding points you've accrued with one name will not be carried over to a new one. Since you've only been running a couple of days and likely haven't qualified the passkey yet, that's not a major issue. Those points will stay credited to that passkey, however. But EVGA doesn't check the passkey, just the user name. If you're wondering why this seems a bit complicated, it's because it wasn't implemented all at once. For the first several years there were no passkeys. At one point there was a spate of cheating going on, which they handled by zeroing out the points of the usernames in question (this is their standard response). I believe some of those names were being contributed to by multiple people, and most of the contributors were not cheating, but there was no way to tell which points were contributed by honest donors and which were contributed by the scammers, so everyone's points were removed indiscriminately. They created the passkey system so that in the future, if there's a similar situation, they can make that distinction; they can see that, for example, "Brian1" with passkey "30h23fu923hf8djf" is on the up-and-up, but that there's a bunch of borged computers contributing to "Brian1" without a passkey, or with a different passkey, and they'll only remove the points credited to the latter. I think a more typical account system using your email address would have been better in hindsight, along with not letting multiple people contribute to the same name, but that's far in the past and it would probably be rather disruptive if they tried to change now.
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Seadog
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Thanks for the reply. I had qualified with 19 WU already, but i guess i just have to change the name and take the hit :(. They(I'm assuming Stanford) should look at making the change for the next year to something a little more organized for their own sake, but i guess if this works for them, no need to change it.
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Hi new here name is fofold8. Only folding @cpu at the moment. Waiting on maxwell so my 760 will fold 24/7. Cheers.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/05/26 11:56:26
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tabascosauz OK...i tried to fold using core 17 but project 8900 refused to start...for a whole day it was at 0.0% unknown. Didn't know what to do so went back to regular core 15 and can now do 10k on CPU and 8.5k on GPU which is an improvement over not folding at all...
Funny because even though there was no progress the GPU was still lagging very hard...way slower than core 15 folding to the point of unusability. Weird because the card would plateau at 64° while right now it folds at 69-71°, never higher, never lower.
Some strange sorcery going on here.
Xavier Zepherious make sure you leave a cpu thread open for each gpu under core 17 if you don't the gpu will become cpu starved and can hang (the new gpu client core core requires 1 thread per GPU...actually slightly more from my experience) so for a 3770k leave 1,2 or 4 threads open (1 for single GPU 2 for 2GPUs, 4 for 3 gpu's)
I know this is late, and you probably already figured this out, but if not. You can set the CPU threads just like the GPU in the config for the CPU. If you have any questions just reply.
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Re:New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/05/31 08:46:13
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Hello all,
I previously made a brief introduction while searching for help on the forums, but now it is time from the "official" into. I'm Zac and I recently got back into folding (played around with it here and there previously) now that my main rig is operational.
I am currently running my gaming rig of an I7 3770k and GTX 760 FTW . I plan on upgrading further in the gpu department later adding 1-2 more cards and a water cooling system. My main intention is to get my old rig up and running as a 24/7 folding rig, but that will take time.
I've recently had some major shifts in life due to people dear to me that have caused me to want to focus more on folding long-term. I will save the details for a future "Why we fold" thread. As for now, I just wanted to say hi. From a long-term evga supporter/fanboy (2007), to a first time dedicated (hopefully) folder:
Hello
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Re: New EVGA Folder Check-IN
2014/06/17 14:03:27
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Love being a Noob. I recently left my team over at OCN and here I am! I have been folding for around 10 years from a 5 rig gpu farm to what I have now which is a 24/7 i5, i3 and 750ti. I have and do fold on my 780 as well as other cpus as necessary. I was directed here from Modzoo.com from another member and am thinking about signing up here. Anyone have any tips to get started? Do I just add the team number to my rigs? Are there teams like OCN? Love EVGA and Any help is greatly appreciated.
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