Those who have been banned and censored should report the issue to VJ.  Again scientists gather information before making assumptions. Provide the data and it might help.  If it doesn't then surely it is another nail in the coffin of PG.

"I just wrote an email to VJ to speak about what happened today (including your being banned Mdk)."
 
Well, thanks for the kind words.  It just comes down to this:
If you are going to moderate for any unpleasant truth such as
1. somehow off topic according to a biased view
2. responding directly to another poster (7IM) who flames with impunity
3. "being disrespectful" really, can this be any more subjective?
4. questioning a moderator
 
Well, if you set these as a base criteria, then there is absolutely no means of having honest and direct communication.  A great deal of the BA thread dealt with a lack of honest and direct communication, in no small part due to FF moderation /shaping/controlling/and ultimately severely censoring. VJ seemed to admit that there might be room for improvement in these areas, and yet here we are returning to form.
 
I really am beyond caring at this point. My post did directly name people. However, nothing I said about them was either untrue or even inflammatory. I merely stated their well know positions. The rest of my post detailed detailed sources and information that was directly on topic.
 
The moderator has taken a position that the thread is closed, so that it can not be brought up in any other thread. How does this make any sense?... given the unresolved issues directly addressed in VJ post!! A reasonable solution might have been to close the thread and open up three new ones with appropriate headings reflecting the unresolved issues. Simply trying to expunge the thread and ban all who question the moderator??? Is this really what he thinks will increase donor satisfaction and participation?
 
I did PM sort of a geek and challenged her to keep me updated on if this new donor relation strategy is working...In all seriousness...I will be very happy to hear that it works...what I wrote:
 
Well, very best of luck with these enhanced methods.
I'm sure you will quickly achieve your goal of improved donor relations and customer satisfaction!

Really, please feel free to PM me in the future and enclose the positive PM you receive from members.
Don't be shy, I won't be put off by the high volume of forwards.
 
Best Regards.
 
I did clear my in box...I know that this new strategy of banning donors might take some time, there might be an actual decrease in participation before the eventual rebound...but I look forward to reading of the eventual success. 
 
 

cokeman54

Viper97
Maybe we should start a new DC team... Crunching for FAH.... where we dedicate our CPU's to finding a cure for their disease?

You can't cure (stupid)

Yes you can, it's just not legal in the U.S.A.

Now that I have read the rest of what has gone on today, I said it before(and it ticked somebody off), and I'll say it again... nothing is going to change, only get worse at the folding forums. You need to realize what you are dealing with. Extreme liberal Fascists Nazis (look it up, the Nazi party was a fascist government). Stanford is one of the most liberal colleges in the U.S. Therefore, the censorship of opposing, and even just different opinions, is going to be rammed down your throats. No amount of logic, rational thought or facts are going to change their minds. They are right about everything, us "peasants" are stupid and not capable of having intelligent thoughts and they are going to dictate every aspect of life to us. Once you get a hold of that reality you will be much better off.

Horvat

cokeman54

Viper97
Maybe we should start a new DC team... Crunching for FAH.... where we dedicate our CPU's to finding a cure for their disease?

You can't cure (stupidity)

Yes you can, it's just not legal in the U.S.A.

Horvat

cokeman54

Viper97
Maybe we should start a new DC team... Crunching for FAH.... where we dedicate our CPU's to finding a cure for their disease?

You can't cure (stupid)

Yes you can, it's just not legal in the U.S.A.

I fixed your post for ya CokeMan...

Everything looks ok to me...don't understand why you guys don't see roses. 

proteneer
For what it's worth, most of us don't actively manage the posts on FF.org (it's ran by a third party, and it explicitly says: Community driven support forum for F@H). We have admin permissions, but we rarely exercise them except to announce new projects. Most of the moderation is done by mods.
 
I mostly browse various community forums, keep a low profile, and once in a blue moon give teases.

That answers why things are often so out of control over there.  You, on the other hand are very welcome here in my book and I'm glad that you drop by when you can.  Nobody else does that from the project and that makes you "special". 

If anyone of you want to email VJ .. here is his info  - No need to log into FF (specially when you're banned :D)
(https://stanfordwho.stanford.edu/SWApp/lookup?search=Pande%2C%20Vijay&submit=Search)

Vijay S. Pande

Professor of Chemistry and, by courtesy, of Structural Biology and of Computer Science
Email: pande@stanford.edu
Web page: http://pande.stanford.edu

It appears it is hosted at Stanford according to another post at [H] and undoubtedly VJ registered the name and did just hand the forum over to the mods to do as they see fit. 
 

 
 

Viper97

Horvat
Now that I have read the rest of what has gone on today, I said it before(and it ticked somebody off), and I'll say it again... nothing is going to change, only get worse at the folding forums. You need to realize what you are dealing with. Extreme liberal Fascists Nazis (look it up, the Nazi party was a fascist government). Stanford is one of the most liberal colleges in the U.S. Therefore, the censorship of opposing, and even just different opinions, is going to be rammed down your throats. No amount of logic, rational thought or facts are going to change their minds. They are right about everything, us "peasants" are stupid and not capable of having intelligent thoughts and they are going to dictate every aspect of life to us. Once you get a hold of that reality you will be much better off.

I've just started reading a book by Saul Valinsky... 'Rules for Radicals'  it's interesting and seems to fit right into how this is evolving.

I'll guarantee you, even bet money on it, that every liberal at Stanford has a copy of that book on their nightstand instead of a bible.

well, I sent VJ a short note per your requests.
I'm not really too concerned. I've posted for years with the same message:
Donors are your customers! You need to think about customer service and not institutional defense.
I heard a program on NPR the other day. They were talking about how difficult it has been for the catholic church, the administration and hierarchy, to deal with criticism. They have a word for the self defense posture, the circling of the wagons regardless of right or wrong...clericalism.
Trying to break down the systemic, reflexive, defensive and "us vs. them" attitude of the FF...well that might be a bigger job than fighting clericalism.
I am welcomed on the FF with about the same level of enthusiasm as parishioners demanding that Bishops take responsibility for child abuse scandal.
 
I am not equating the gravity of the two situations!
 
As a salesman and product manager, it just seems so obvious to me what the correct response should be in these situations. I just have to admit that I have somehow failed to make the case. Seems like it should be impossible to miss...but somehow the moderator came to the conclusion that more censorship and more banning was the better solution...excommunicate those who report abuse?
yeah, that sounds like a plan.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

proteneer
For what it's worth, most of us don't actively manage the posts on FF.org (it's ran by a third party, and it explicitly says: Community driven support forum for F@H). We have admin permissions, but we rarely exercise them except to announce new projects. Most of the moderation is done by mods.
 
I mostly browse various community forums, keep a low profile, and once in a blue moon give teases.

If it is not a official forum for folding at home. Then you should make one . I am sure there are lots of under grads in computer science to run it for extra credits.The way it is now is not working all that well.You make a post over there if they do not delete it you get 5 PMs from admins or mods or both.<<< that is just for putting down your point of view if they do not agree with it.
How is that going to help build a bridge between folding at home and donors my way of thinking its not.At this point you need to work on that bridge. I myself have put a dead line for when I will stop or keep on folding . The ball is now in VJs hands he really needs to **** or get off the pot as the old saying go's.He can not wait tell the last minute to start rolling out all the changes he hinted at in his blog post.

b_borden

proteneer
For what it's worth, most of us don't actively manage the posts on FF.org (it's ran by a third party, and it explicitly says: Community driven support forum for F@H). We have admin permissions, but we rarely exercise them except to announce new projects. Most of the moderation is done by mods.
 
I mostly browse various community forums, keep a low profile, and once in a blue moon give teases.

A low profile is good.  What would be the point of any of the Mods posting here?  We'd just be kicked into the gutter -- repeatedly.
 
Being a forum Mod is not a job I would wish on anybody with a thin skin, especially when there's a big controversy.
(-bruce)

Welcome to EVGA forums Bruce . We only bite a little bit But ya I was kind of wondering why that tread got locked to becouse that kind of turns this part of VJs post into a lie
[quote\]
Going forward, the next steps will include a discussion of the change of the QRB formula and possibly an update of the benchmark machine. Our plan is to seek more input from donors for both changes. While a distributed computing project cannot be run effectively through polls, I think there is a lot of room for us to improve in terms of connecting to donors and incorporating their concerns.

b_borden
 
 What would be the point of any of the Mods posting here?  We'd just be kicked into the gutter -- repeatedly.
 (-bruce)

Pretty much the way it is for us at the FF, maybe you should get a feel of how you do others so you can get some understanding of how it feels.
Only then can you make improvement in the way you mod. Not everyone is out to get you, you need to learn that first most.

mdk7777777
Where are you getting the 500k active donors figure from?
 
Before they changed the stats reporting system.
 
 
2011 there were 450k to 500k individual machines...obviously, there could have been more than one machine per donor...but it wasn't anything close to the system they use today.

From PS3 machines/game consoles
 
a lot of people used consoles to fold on when they dropped/discontinued those core there was a significant drop
first from AMD GPU's (which were terrible anyways) and then Nvidia later on
 
a lot of people used to fold on consoles - even those without computers
so when you change requirements and drop hardware there is always a cost
 
those people who had consoles didn't necessarily go out and buy new hardware so they could fold
just like BA users and everyone else that's been affected by changes by stanford 
it doesn't give you the fuzzy feeling to go out and buy hardware to get stung again