So today they show 171,493 active CPU on the folding stats page (which they still are not updating to the front page for whatever reason)
 
The more interesting number is the number of active donors.
 
Kakostats lists this as 33,891
 
For reference, the last time I checked (a year or so ago, it was something like 60,000)
digging a little further, it shows my team AMDZONE as having 27 active members.
But looking at Extreme OC stats (Which I have always followed) shows only 17 active members.
 
So, the difference must be how many days they use to consider active.
 
Flipping through the pages of 24 hour averages at Extreme OC ...I come up with 14,000 donors with a 24 hour daily average of 30 points or more.
 
My point? There are currently only something like 20,000 active donors.
 
When you go from something close to 500,000 active donors at the peak some years ago, to 20,000...you are just not doing something right.
 
When I point this out, 7im launches into a rant about how you can not attribute the reduction to administration...there are so many variables...etc. etc.
 
Well, at the end of the day...someone better figure out how to reverse the trend, or all those extra labs that keep joining...thinking they can tap into the resource will find that there is nothing to tap into.
 
Sorto****eek, says lets move on, nothing to see here...He is right. If PG doesn't respond with anything but cancelling projects that they failed to administer...there will indeed be nothing to see or comment on.

mdk7777777
 
My point? There are currently only something like 20,000 active donors.
 
When you go from something close to 500,000 active donors at the peak some years ago, to 20,000...you are just not doing something right.

Where are you getting the 500k active donors figure from?
 
One thing I don't fully understand is why PG has never done any real advertising.  Relying on word-of-mouth will only take you so far, especially if you keep angering a good portion of your most dedicated and vocal supporters.  I guess in the past they weren't entirely comfortable with having a huge influx of non-tech-savvy people using some of the clients, but v7's main goal was being easier to use by new donors.  That "Even while you sleep" video hasn't exactly been a viral sensation.

mdk7777777
Sorto****eek, says lets move on, nothing to see here...He is right. If PG doesn't respond with anything but cancelling projects that they failed to administer...there will indeed be nothing to see or comment on.

He has already locked the Bigadv thread and is apparently in process of removing anything that he doesn't like under the banner of it being "off topic".  He's already nailed some of my comments and got Grandpa too.  He said the thread "was a dead horse", but his follow-on actions also indicate that he wants the tombstone at the horse's gravesite to read the way that he wants it to read. 
 
They are often defending themselves as not censoring comments from FF members...well, I just saw it in action.  I've finally come to the conclusion that FF is not a site that will get any future commentary, ideas or suggestion from me.  The Mods and some of those they seem to allow free-commentary-reign are just too militant and defensive.  Just too over-protective of PG IMO, discourteous in the way they answer Folders who post there and so, what else is new there.

We always talk about the addiction folding is and I've experienced it myself but when it comes right down to it, I doubt there would a lot of cold sweats here if we were to kick for a while. But then again, we have medicine (crunching) to help us through!

Oh it's  not the end I agree... however I really would like to be part of a major speed bump with some severe under carriage damage at this point!  Just saying... sometimes it's just fun to toss a revolution in the center of a group of bielebers... er, Fahlebers.

Where are you getting the 500k active donors figure from?
 
Before they changed the stats reporting system.

 
2011 there were 450k to 500k individual machines...obviously, there could have been more than one machine per donor...but it wasn't anything close to the system they use today.

Anti-spam device... you can type things out to a degree... try to point one of us in the right direction and maybe we can post the correct one.

Yup... caught that over at [H]... I'm certain the fall out will be continuing for a long time.  They really went out of their way to marginalize those that disagree with them... but they still want you to fold.  Just shut up and do it. 
 
You mean this:
 
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=21317
 

 
The link there is abbreviated so I had to post the URL of the actual post you referenced.

Zagen30

mdk7777777
Where are you getting the 500k active donors figure from?
 
Before they changed the stats reporting system.
 
 
2011 there were 450k to 500k individual machines...obviously, there could have been more than one machine per donor...but it wasn't anything close to the system they use today.

In that case, saying the project has gone from 500k to 20k active donors is not accurate, since the 500k figure was total clients.  It is fair to say that it's gone from 500k to 170k active clients, or your estimate of 60k to 34k active donors based on Kakao's count, or <X> to 14k based on EOC.  I think this situation is rather troubling, but it's not as drastic as you made it out to be.  We're not actually talking an entire order of magnitude drop.

Or you could say they recognized the drop and decided that the next best figure would now be the reported figure.  Just playing devils advocate and conspiracy theory genator. 
***Logic overlay not installed***

Viper97
 
 
Or you could say they recognized the drop and decided that the next best figure would now be the reported figure.  Just playing devils advocate and conspiracy theory genator. 
 

As far back as I can remember (which is several years), PG has always reported active clients.

Maybe we should start a new DC team... Crunching for FAH.... where we dedicate our CPU's to finding a cure for their disease?

She is a "piece of work" Bill and will whack your knuckles if need be (even if need not be...just for good measure). 
 
She tried to "take me to school" today too, but I resisted (a lot). 

n that case, saying the project has gone from 500k to 20k active donors is not accurate, since the 500k figure was total clients.  It is fair to say that it's gone from 500k to 170k active clients, or your estimate of 60k to 34k active donors based on Kakao's count, or <X> to 14k based on EOC.  I think this situation is rather troubling, but it's not as drastic as you made it out to be.  We're not actually talking an entire order of magnitude drop.
 
Yup, I gave all the sources and variables to make it clear there were different interpretations and criteria.
 
Unlike, the FF, I don't have any problem defending my posts...the major change came about a year ago where they adjusted the core count and total TFLOPS....which resulted in an immediate and substantial change requiring a totally new data base and chart later in that thread.
 
anyway, based on the 50 day reporting...rather than current average points...I'd guess that that 170k number is rather inflated...again my point of listing other sources.
 
 
 
 

anyway, based on the 50 day reporting...rather than current average points...I'd guess that that 170k number is rather inflated...again my point of listing other sources.
Kinda makes you wonder why the (50 days) almost two months. This will always show the buck folders as active when in fact they drop off fast. Welcome the a friendly forum mdk777777, enjoy your stay and if you haven't already, consider crunching.

I do want to report that Dr. Pande has responded to me and we are still in kind of a back-and-forth discussion of the concerns that I sent him today.  I'll share something he said to me that I feel he won't mind me sharing here. 
 
I had mentioned to him that surely I wasn't the first person to raise an issue with the way the FF forum is being managed. He said that in the past year, he has received (2) communications from Folders such as myself today.  But when he asked for details of the event that was being raised, he never got anything more.  He didn't know what to actually make of that, but was concerned as to why.  If anyone else has a specific issue they want/need to share with him, I would suggest that you communicate it to him.  If (2) people was all that raised these issues in a year, that is not a whole lot.  I really do get the sense that he wants to know and hear from us.  I also get the impression that he is savvy enough as a manager to know that sometimes important things are happening that are outside his immediate view.  Just wanted to share this with you.