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www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Responds-GTX-970-35GB-Memory-Issue?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter I regretfully purchased my 970 gtx SSC a few days ago knowing this problem existed. I trusted that it was an issue that would be fixed, but nope according to this article.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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I here the R9 390x is just around the corner anyway, it might be worth waiting for that. But I've been really happy with my 980s too.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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Lets see if we get a good chance to return our cards. The fan rattle and coil whine is a shame already.
My bet is they find a lousy workaround that makes programs to test the bug happy but castrate the real promised performance.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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I don't think its as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be. Take a look at this.
www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2tfybe/investigating_the_970_vram_issue/
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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I don't think its as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be. Take a look at this.
www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2tfybe/investigating_the_970_vram_issue/
The problem most people have is that they purchased a product advertised at 4GB, but effectively it's found to be 3.5GB. Most hardware enthusiasts tirelessly work to be well-informed through reading forums and following hardware reviews. In this hobby you don't spend hundreds of dollars on computer hardware, optimizing and overclocking it, on misinformed purchases. Yet here many of us, despite trying to be as informed as possible regarding our purchases, were mislead on the 970s. I may have reconsidered my purchase of my two 970s if I knew ahead of time they had crippled memory bandwidth for the last .5GB. That's the issue. You can't make informed purchases if manufacturers are hiding details. If Nvidia wrote a little technical blurb in small text on the back of every Nvidia 970 box that stated this memory caveat, they would have had a lot less sales of GTX 970s and possibly more sales of GTX 980s by hardware enthusiasts.
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I don't think its as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be. Take a look at this.
www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2tfybe/investigating_the_970_vram_issue/
The problem most people have is that they purchased a product advertised at 4GB, but effectively it's found to be 3.5GB. Most hardware enthusiasts tirelessly work to be well-informed through reading forums and following hardware reviews. In this hobby you don't spend hundreds of dollars on computer hardware, optimizing and overclocking it, on misinformed purchases. Yet here many of us, despite trying to be as informed as possible regarding our purchases, were mislead on the 970s. I may have reconsidered my purchase of my two 970s if I knew ahead of time they had crippled memory bandwidth for the last .5GB. That's the issue. You can't make informed purchases if manufacturers are hiding details.
If Nvidia wrote a little technical blurb in small text on the back of every Nvidia 970 box that stated this memory caveat, they would have had a lot less sales of GTX 970s and possibly more sales of GTX 980s by hardware enthusiasts.
I do agree with this. They should have been upfront about their crossbar VRAM design / hardware decision. Although, contrary to what some may have thought I don't think the .5 gb VRAM sector is "crippled" but is indeed slower. (In Nvidia's official response the difference is 1-3%) The design may have not been the best idea on NVIDIA's part. Would I like it addressed? Of course.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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AMD is crap, they are way behind, Nvidia is sandbagging as it is selling MG104 chips for $500+ soon as AMD lets out what ever it has it will get countered by the real top Maxwell chip.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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Both make great cards and both have issues. I came from 6gb 7970s crossfire to 4gb 980s Sli and find myself to be lucky in that I had/have no issues at all. I would buy whatever I find best at the time of purchase, be it AMD or NVIDIA. As for the vram issue I would ask myself, is it hurting the performance of my games as I try to figure out how much only 3.5 of my 4gb vram available pissed me off.
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From speculation... The R9 390X is set for a 2015 Q2 release. I'd love to get one when they come out... but I want something NOAW!
I had a pair of GTX 970 SSC's and they were not all that great. I'm actually surprised they got those FPS rates on COD:AW with a single card, cause mine were struggling to break 90FPS @ 1080p with the automatic optimization setting.
I'm looking forward to trying out some R9 290X in crossfire very soon. I'm also very happy how cheap they are... before long I will be running 2 of them since I snagged a Seasonic X-1250 off craigslist for $80. I love how you don't have to use a crossfire bridge anymore. It definitely alleviates some issues with having to deal with a bridge that could be faulty and cause troubleshooting to be an absolute pain.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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I honestly feel like I'm just being a whiner, but this is the most I have ever spent on a graphics card. I am a mid-range type gamer as my first build used a 560 gtx and my second was a 760 gtx. When you pay almost the price of a console for a single graphics card and it isn't functioning properly the way it was advertised (As having 4gb of USABLE vram) it is disappointing.
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Ive had mine up 3.75+ in Assassins creed unity at 5940X1080 at high settings. But as I have progressed into the game the performance has gotten worse. I don't know if that is due the game no being completely downloaded yet. used to average between 35-42FPS now I'm lucky to get 20+
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D00mFighteR
I don't think its as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be. Take a look at this.
www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2tfybe/investigating_the_970_vram_issue/
The problem most people have is that they purchased a product advertised at 4GB, but effectively it's found to be 3.5GB. Most hardware enthusiasts tirelessly work to be well-informed through reading forums and following hardware reviews. In this hobby you don't spend hundreds of dollars on computer hardware, optimizing and overclocking it, on misinformed purchases. Yet here many of us, despite trying to be as informed as possible regarding our purchases, were mislead on the 970s. I may have reconsidered my purchase of my two 970s if I knew ahead of time they had crippled memory bandwidth for the last .5GB. That's the issue. You can't make informed purchases if manufacturers are hiding details.
If Nvidia wrote a little technical blurb in small text on the back of every Nvidia 970 box that stated this memory caveat, they would have had a lot less sales of GTX 970s and possibly more sales of GTX 980s by hardware enthusiasts.
Jesus. Talk about whining. Return your cards and go Red team already.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
2015/01/24 18:16:17
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Ive had mine up 3.75+ in Assassins creed unity at 5940X1080 at high settings. But as I have progressed into the game the performance has gotten worse. I don't know if that is due the game no being completely downloaded yet. used to average between 35-42FPS now I'm lucky to get 20+
DRIVER: 344.65
I dont have any other games to test that will use that much vram at the moment.
Have you thought maybe you should catch up to the latest driver set? You are 3 behind.......344.75/347.09/347.25 Not saying that it is necessary but 344.75 "added or updated support for ACU" (along with a long list of others)
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Stay PuftJesus. Talk about whining. Return your cards and go Red team already. I make a reasonable complaint in a civil manner and this is your response? You must be some class act in real life.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
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Ive had mine up 3.75+ in Assassins creed unity at 5940X1080 at high settings. But as I have progressed into the game the performance has gotten worse. I don't know if that is due the game no being completely downloaded yet. used to average between 35-42FPS now I'm lucky to get 20+
DRIVER: 344.65
I dont have any other games to test that will use that much vram at the moment.
Have you thought maybe you should catch up to the latest driver set? You are 3 behind.......344.75/347.09/347.25 Not saying that it is necessary but 344.75 "added or updated support for ACU" (along with a long list of others)
I have the latest driver downloaded just haven't updated it yet
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I have the latest driver downloaded just haven't updated it yet
OK, just checking....no reason to hit the panic button yet. See how it goes after you update the drivers (if you choose to do so) and go from there.
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Like many have said here. Both brands are good hardware NVidia and AMD. However I have had AMD before for a while and noticed that there are way too many problems always with the drivers (probably that is why AMD is always cheaper). Since the last 3 years I have gone green and I never had to worry about spending always half of my time tweaking the driver to work properly with each game / program etc.
Like I said, I have nothing against any brand; my only personal opinion is that NVidia is still way on top though we pay more $ for it...
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Nvidia has really dropped in quality the past few years. Honestly, my allegiance to Nvidia has diminished SIGNIFICANTLY. They had the bumpgate, the shield cracked edges that they still have yet to fix, some pretty crappy customer service, and some drivers on par with the crap at AMD....
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I like both, I do own a AMD and have to say they have improved a great deal on there drivers. I have 0 issues. To be honest nvidia is getting worse with there drivers then AMD. AMD seems to be a lot more stable lately. Now this is just my observation. They seem to have more of a quality build as well.
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This is mix of false advertising, hardware bug, bad excuse and treating customers like dogs. Looks like NVIDIA don't want to pay attention on anything except 1000$ and more. It's not bug it's feature, xaxaxa.... dear little NVIDIA. I only can say one thing customers didn't get what they payed for, that's my last conclusion and words about this. It's good because guy show where is problem in comparison 970 4GB vs 980 4GB, because NVIDIA was ready to stay silent about this and treat as any other problem. I think now people believe that GTX980 worth price over GTX970 if not because performance, than because it's bug free and coil whine free.
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AMD will hopefully bring something competitive, or better yet superior, to the table this year. That will improve prices and performance all around. The more competition there is, the more the customer will benefit. The problem right now is that AMD is just not competitive, and that results in nvidia being able to sell something half*** and charge a premium for it. Very few will complain since they want the 'best' and 'fastest' card on the market regardless of cost or serious manufacturing/engineering issues.
There are rumors of 980ti's with a price tag of $1000+. I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Spending $2000 and up to SLI cards for the purpose of playing a video game is just crazy IMO. I can understand paying thousands of dollars for Quadro type cards since they go into professional applications that companies use to MAKE MONEY. It's an investment that will turn a profit quickly when compared to paying employees for more time on the clock. 99.9% of gamers don't earn anything from gaming though, and prices like that, for something that is upgraded every two years or so, is insanity.
The only things that will change the scenario is either competition or just simply not buying products that are overpriced and underwhelming.
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RainStrykeI had a pair of GTX 970 SSC's and they were not all that great. I'm actually surprised they got those FPS rates on COD:AW with a single card, cause mine were struggling to break 90FPS @ 1080p with the automatic optimization setting.
"Call of Duty" and "optimization" in the same sentence. 
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RainStrykeI had a pair of GTX 970 SSC's and they were not all that great. I'm actually surprised they got those FPS rates on COD:AW with a single card, cause mine were struggling to break 90FPS @ 1080p with the automatic optimization setting.
"Call of Duty" and "optimization" in the same sentence.
I'll admit... they did have some major issues at the beginning. But since they patched it... It seemed to fix quite a few issues. I'm still not happy with the way the map Defender works for the first few minutes you are playing on that map. Luckily everyone hates that map, so it usually gets voted out. I currently have 200 hours game play. I enjoy the game a lot. velocd
Stay PuftJesus. Talk about whining. Return your cards and go Red team already.
I make a reasonable complaint in a civil manner and this is your response? You must be some class act in real life.
LOL so... AMD isn't civil? For real though... I've been posting on multiple forums about these issues as well. I'm not happy with my experience... and no one else should be about this... because newer games are only going to utilize more of that VRAM. Nvidia has completely crapped on their customers this round and they try to toss out some technical answer to make it sound like they did the right thing... but the customer is still sitting there with gimped hardware that is infuriating to run at the settings it's intended for. My answer really is, go red. The GTX 980 is not anywhere near a GTX 970 users price point and AMD is... and it provides the performance that is sought after and the newer R9 290X's with the aftermarket coolers are fantastic for temps.
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I'll admit... they did have some major issues at the beginning. But since they patched it... It seemed to fix quite a few issues.
I maxed out Ghosts when I made the mistake of purchasing with a 760 FTW 4GB. Anything 770 or equivalent not maxing out AW is all on them as far as I'm concerned, especially with that stupid arbitrary FPS cap.
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I'll admit... they did have some major issues at the beginning. But since they patched it... It seemed to fix quite a few issues.
I maxed out Ghosts when I made the mistake of purchasing with a 760 FTW 4GB. Anything 770 or equivalent not maxing out AW is all on them as far as I'm concerned, especially with that stupid arbitrary FPS cap.
Not to mention it does not support sli. I hit the fps cap with all goodies on with one card. Put a 2nd card on the system and problems start. I hate that sli is not supported in this day and age as it should be.
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FPS cap is at 91... and you can change it to whatever you want. It actually does support multiple GPU's. If you do play COD:AW and want the FPS higher than that, there are ways to unlock it. I'm planning on getting 4K @ 60FPS, so I really don't care much about anything beyond 90FPS.
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FPS cap is at 91... and you can change it to whatever you want. It actually does support multiple GPU's.
If you do play COD:AW and want the FPS higher than that, here is the fix:
https://community.callofduty.com/thread/100160182
That's from World at War. Treyarch releases support unlocked FPS via console commands if one isn't included in the menu like BO2. IW and Sledgehammer ban(ned) people for the FPS unlocker in Ghosts and AW.
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RainStryke
FPS cap is at 91... and you can change it to whatever you want. It actually does support multiple GPU's.
If you do play COD:AW and want the FPS higher than that, here is the fix:
https://community.callofduty.com/thread/100160182
Multi gpu support and sli optimized are two different ball games. Sli is broken on AW, It lowered my fps when sli was enabled.
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Re: Looks like it my be time to switch to AMD.....(3.5 vram problem with 970 gtxs)
2015/01/25 00:34:23
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RainStryke
FPS cap is at 91... and you can change it to whatever you want. It actually does support multiple GPU's.
If you do play COD:AW and want the FPS higher than that, here is the fix:
https://community.callofduty.com/thread/100160182
That's from World at War. Treyarch releases support unlocked FPS via console commands if one isn't included in the menu like BO2. IW and Sledgehammer ban(ned) people for the FPS unlocker in Ghosts and AW.
Ah, my bad... Have not needed to go beyond 90FPS. But I can see why some would want that. ubbb69
RainStryke
FPS cap is at 91... and you can change it to whatever you want. It actually does support multiple GPU's.
If you do play COD:AW and want the FPS higher than that, here is the fix:
https://community.callofduty.com/thread/100160182
Multi gpu support and sli optimized are two different ball games. Sli is broken on AW, It lowered my fps when sli was enabled.
Hmm... With VSYNC enabled?
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