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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 18:06:41
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What's even funnier is I have a "giganticly obnoxious 49" super ultrawide" (to quote the misguided OP) myself so it's not like I'm speaking from lack of experience
Correct me if I'm wrong but going off the monitor which you listed in your signature which is a 3840x1080 49' monitor whereas the Samsung c49RG90 is 5120x1440. So you don't have the same "giganticly obnoxious 49" super ultrawide". You have an ultrawide monitor with ~HALF the pixel count of 4K. So again unless I'm somehow wrong about the monitor you list in your signature you can't compare your experience with Orkan or anyone running 4K. This thread had only positive posts before you decided to argue, or whatever you call it, with orkan. I don't understand why you felt the need to come into this thread and insert your opinions. Didn't your mom teach you to keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything nice to say. This is exactly what op refers to in later post. I also have been a PC Gaming Enthusiast since 1991 and have watched the PC Gaming community change so many times, not once for the better IMHO. Now we have all these leeches trying to latch on and suck money out gamers any way they can think of. I'm glad PC Gaming has grown so much but it's not always for the better. Again unless you have the wrong monitor listed in your sig, then sir, you ARE speaking from lack of experience. 3840*1080=4,147,200 - Craptacular monitor 5120*1440=7,372,800 - Op Samsung c49RG90 monitor 3840*2160=8,294,400 - 4K monitor https://viotek.com/suw49c...-gaming-monitor/
Guess you've never heard of DSR where you can run whatever resolution you want. Maybe instead of trying to correct me you go do your homework?
DSR is just supersampling. It does NOT allow you run whatever resolution you want. It still outputs the same signal(same resolution/same pixel count) as without it. Your monitor still has the same number of pixels that I showed above. Half the pixels of a native 4K monitor. You can't argue about the number of pixels your monitor has. You're correct I did not know much about DSR before this. It's not something that ever had any appeal to me. I did say 3 separate times "correct me if I'm wrong" "unless I'm wrong" ..... There's nothing the OP said that is completely inaccurate. You're not gaming at 4K. Supersampling is not the same.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 18:17:10
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What's even funnier is I have a "giganticly obnoxious 49" super ultrawide" (to quote the misguided OP) myself so it's not like I'm speaking from lack of experience
Correct me if I'm wrong but going off the monitor which you listed in your signature which is a 3840x1080 49' monitor whereas the Samsung c49RG90 is 5120x1440. So you don't have the same "giganticly obnoxious 49" super ultrawide". You have an ultrawide monitor with ~HALF the pixel count of 4K. So again unless I'm somehow wrong about the monitor you list in your signature you can't compare your experience with Orkan or anyone running 4K. This thread had only positive posts before you decided to argue, or whatever you call it, with orkan. I don't understand why you felt the need to come into this thread and insert your opinions. Didn't your mom teach you to keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything nice to say. This is exactly what op refers to in later post. I also have been a PC Gaming Enthusiast since 1991 and have watched the PC Gaming community change so many times, not once for the better IMHO. Now we have all these leeches trying to latch on and suck money out gamers any way they can think of. I'm glad PC Gaming has grown so much but it's not always for the better. Again unless you have the wrong monitor listed in your sig, then sir, you ARE speaking from lack of experience. 3840*1080=4,147,200 - Craptacular monitor 5120*1440=7,372,800 - Op Samsung c49RG90 monitor 3840*2160=8,294,400 - 4K monitor https://viotek.com/suw49c...-gaming-monitor/
Guess you've never heard of DSR where you can run whatever resolution you want. Maybe instead of trying to correct me you go do your homework?
DSR is just supersampling. It does NOT allow you run whatever resolution you want. It still outputs the same signal(same resolution/same pixel count) as without it. Your monitor still has the same number of pixels that I showed above. Half the pixels of a native 4K monitor. You can't argue about the number of pixels your monitor has. You're correct I did not know much about DSR before this. It's not something that ever had any appeal to me. I did say 3 separate times "correct me if I'm wrong" "unless I'm wrong" ..... There's nothing the OP said that is completely inaccurate. You're not gaming at 4K. Supersampling is not the same.
Clearly you still have much to learn about DSR and how it works. With DSR you can set the your card to render internally whatever resolution scale you want or create your own. The card then renders the game as if it were outputting to a monitor with whatever resolution you specified. The final image is then scaled down to fit your screen giving a super sampled like effect with a higher quality image. The card is in fact rendering the same amount of pixels whether or not it's actually scaling them to the output monitor. The workload is identical and the results are identical. You are wrong, end of story. Please, I can't take anymore stupidity in one day. Why do you people insist on trying to correct something of which you have no idea what you're talking about?
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 19:06:02
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I'm not sure what else there is to learn. DSR is supersampling. It renders higher resolution images then down scales to lower resolution which is sent to the monitor. You said it correctly this time, that you set any resolution scale. Not you can set any resolution you want. The OP posted details and screen shots in this original post. So why have you not included any details whatsoever? What resolution do you set for Red Dead and what scale do you set for DSR? Not just I did the same thing and got better results than you?
At end of the day your monitor still only has half the pixels of a 4K monitor.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 19:28:24
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pmclean I'm not sure what else there is to learn. DSR is supersampling. It renders higher resolution images then down scales to lower resolution which is sent to the monitor. You said it correctly this time, that you set any resolution scale. Not you can set any resolution you want. The OP posted details and screen shots in this original post. So why have you not included any details whatsoever? What resolution do you set for Red Dead and what scale do you set for DSR? Not just I did the same thing and got better results than you?
At end of the day your monitor still only has half the pixels of a 4K monitor.
I really can't even understand how you don't understand what DSR is. It literally tells you what it does. There is no effect on your GPU rendering the image internally or natively at a DSR resolution. So if I set my DSR factors to match his 5120x1440 monitor, my GPU would be doing the EXACT same workload and thus produce the exact same results in performance as it would had it been rendered natively. Just because an image is scaled down to fit on a smaller screen does not impact what resolution it was rendered at natively thus it does not impact the workload. DLSS essentially does the same thing as DSR but in reverse. It takes a lower resolution image then scales it up to fit a larger screen. That's how performance is gained with DLSS when activating it evne though the image is scaled up to 4K or whatever resolution in question. For the last time go read about it.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 19:44:01
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Yeah like I said in my post it's supersampling. Your GPU renders at higher resolution and then downscales to send to your monitor. When did I say otherwise? I'm saying you're not gaming at 4K. Yes I completely understand your GPU did render at whatever scale you set it to. Your monitor still only has 4 million pixels, sure maybe Red Dead looks a little better with DSR. When you sit in front of your monitor playing Red Dead 2 you are not looking at 8 million pixels. I don't understand how you can't understand that. Yes your GPU did render at higher resolution I understand it's a rather simple idea. Again you post no actual numbers, no specific settings, no real facts. Just "I did the same thing but better results" Your monitor still only has 50% of the pixels of a 4K monitor.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 19:50:00
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pmclean All he said was a 3080 is not enough to run Red Dead 2 with all settings maxed with the resolution he is using.
3080 not enough to Run Red Dead 2 at those settings? Ouch, it sounds like GTA5 all over again. It's almost like Rockstar -UN-optimises their PC ports hehe
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 19:53:47
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pmclean Yeah like I said in my post it's supersampling. Your GPU renders at higher resolution and then downscales to send to your monitor. When did I say otherwise? I'm saying you're not gaming at 4K. Yes I completely understand your GPU did render at whatever scale you set it to. Your monitor still only has 4 million pixels, sure maybe Red Dead looks a little better with DSR. When you sit in front of your monitor playing Red Dead 2 you are not looking at 8 million pixels. I don't understand how you can't understand that. Yes your GPU did render at higher resolution I understand it's a rather simple idea. Your monitor still only has 50% of the pixels of a 4K monitor.
So then you understand how I was able to call out the OP for making a ridiculous claim that a 3080 can't play RDR2 at his 5120x1440 resolution then? I have both cards, I was able to test both cards at the same resolution as he did in the same game. Both GPUs ran fine with maxed settings, with the 3080 obviously being just a touch slower. My comment about pixels and his resolution being smaller than 4K was for a point of reference it letting him know that his resolution isn't some mythical beast that no other monitor can do when any 4k monitor has more pixels to push and which has been widely tested with a 3080 and found to be just fine and perfectly playable with both a 3080 and a 3090. Can we end this now? Or do you want me to continue to point out how completely clueless you've been? Remember what I said about reading and understanding above? Now would be a good time to try that.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 20:16:18
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CraptacularOne For the last time go read about it, and maybe more importantly UNDERSTAND what you're reading. Do it slowly if you have to and sound out the words.
No need for comments like this. Time to knock it off.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/29 20:44:01
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CraptacularOne For the last time go read about it, and maybe more importantly UNDERSTAND what you're reading. Do it slowly if you have to and sound out the words.
No need for comments like this. Time to knock it off.
Yeah maybe that was a bit much and I went and deleted it. It's very frustrating to be attacked and told I'm wrong by people that literally no idea what they are talking about. Nothing I've posted in this thread or the other one (you know which one) was incorrect. Maybe between that thread and this one I'm getting a little more aggravated and being shorter than I would otherwise be. At any rate I'm done here too.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/30 07:51:47
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pmclean All he said was a 3080 is not enough to run Red Dead 2 with all settings maxed with the resolution he is using.
3080 not enough to Run Red Dead 2 at those settings? Ouch, it sounds like GTA5 all over again. It's almost like Rockstar -UN-optimises their PC ports hehe
Yeah I was a bit, scratch taht, very disappointed that the 3090 couldn't do 4k60 maxed on RDR2. That was my most wanted game to play on my new GPU. If they enabled DLSS it'd be nice. Forza Horizon 4 has looked and played well because, I assume it's using DXR/DML from Microsoft. So many issues in RDR2 would be fixed with dynamic scaling as you leave and enter new areas. The game looks good with a mix of ultra, high, medium, off settings, but it is not 60fps stable across the entire map. It is better than my 1080.. I was having to use the xbox one x optimization guide to get barely playable 1440p60+, but the game just didn't look good to me at that settings level. Most games I can fully max and keep 4k60 with the 3090. I much prefer having DLSS options. Watch Dogs legion is absolutely packed with features and I can turn stuff like RTX way up and the tweak other things to keep 4K60. TL;DR 3000 series is a nice improvement, but isn't the gods of GPUs.. and poorly optimized games are still a big problem.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/10/30 09:45:04
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DarkTAO If they enabled DLSS it'd be nice.
That's really the only hope RDR2 has for this generation of GPU. If an OC'd 3090 can't keep above 60fps maxed at 4k... nothing except TWO 3090's will have a chance. ... and I'm not buying another one, since they are publicly moth-balling SLI. So if rockstar doesn't include DLSS... then we will literally have to wait for a new GPU generation before we can expect to stay above 60fps at 4k. This vividly demonstrates the difference between "reviewers benchmarks" and real world results...
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/12/26 00:56:26
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Hi all and thank you for your opinion with 3090 and 49crg monitor. I have the same monitor and I bought a 3060ti because no one evga is available now here in Italy and my two 670 4gb was a little bit "old"
I am thinking to wait a HC in the middle of 2021 and I'd like to know your opinion if a 3080Ti could be a good (money value) solution instead a 3090.
Thank you !!!
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
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I think the statement that the 3090 is not a gaming card is geared more towards what the increased specs and price actually deliver from a gaming standpoint. Obviously there is some increased game performance but is it $1000 extra performance? Not even close. The performance increase will likely best be seen with applications that are not gaming, like CAD and heavy 3d model renderings. So it is more accurate to say the extra performance and other differences the 3090 has over the 3080, for the most part, will not be realized in gaming. Maybe in the future that will change. I got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra and you can obviously game on it, but honestly it happened due to availability issues and not knowing when scalping will die off enough so you can readily find the 3080 in stock at MSRP. Times being what they are, I sold my 2080ti while the market was still good and I wanted to secure a replacement as soon as possible. If a 3080 FTW3 Ultra or 3080 ROG Strix had become available first at MSRP, I would have gone that route for sure. For me the 3090 is really just a rental. Although I will take a loss, when the 3080 are available again, I will sell the 3090 and replace it with a 3080.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/12/28 15:44:57
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rjohnson11 Just for clarity here is how it works: DSR | Technology | GeForce
I'm pretty sure this is what Steve from GamersNexus referred to as looking "like they smeared Vaseline all over the camera lens" . DLSS has come a long way since their DSR. Native 4K looks better.
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Re: Let me just clear something up about the 3090...
2020/12/28 18:32:22
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It's fast.
I mean... it's REALLY fast. If this isn't a "gaming" card, someone forgot to tell games. Prior to getting the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra, I was running an EVGA 2080Ti. I have a Samsung CRG9 49" super ultra-wide monitor running 5120x1440 resolution. In Red Dead Online, I was running medium/low with sliders 1/4 or 1/2 at most... and at those settings was seeing 50-70fps. With the 3090, I have every single setting and every slider cranked as high as they will go. Full ultra. I'm seeing 70-120fps!!!! Some areas of the game are extremely punishing during certain hours. For instance, Strawberry, standing near the creek looking at the town during the night. It is an amazing sight that really shows off the beauty of this game. If someone starts throwing fire bottles right there at that moment, fps will dip into the low 50's. Those "ultra" lighting and particle quality settings are really punishing. Man they look amazing though. Up in the mountain tops where there's less going on, it's not uncommon to hit 110-120fps. Buttery smooth gameplay is a first for me with this title. Bottom line: A 3080 is not enough to max Red Dead Online at this resolution with max settings. An overclocked 3090 can barely do it above 60fps all the time. Dropping water physics back to half slider, pushes that same scene in Strawberry back up into the 80fps+ range. Just running around in the great plains or heartlands during the sunlight hours nets FPS in the 80's and 90's. It is an unbelievable experience. It's like an entirely new game. I'm a level 282... and the entire game has a feeling of being fresh. I want to go see everything all over again. Main street blackwater.
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I paid over $1600 for my 2080Ti, and I was happy with it until a year ago when I started playing Red Dead Online. That game crushed that card. Now, this 3090 crushes this game, and despite the to-my-door price of over $1900... I'm quite happy with my purchase.
Thank you for this post. I was on the verge on deciding for a 3080 vs a 3090. I now want to complete my rig with a kingpin card!
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