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2011/02/24 08:59:03 (permalink)
For instance, if I got all of the pieces now to cool my CPU, could I disassemble it later when I get a new mobo/cpu and then use the same parts to WC my new CPU? If so, that would help me justify the expenses :P
 
Also, roughly how much would it cost to cool my CPU? What about my CPU and 2 GPUs? Is it very difficult to set up for someone who has never done it before? Thanks a lot in advance.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:05:33 (permalink)
    the only thing you may not be able to re-use is actual waterblocks.  They generally come with multiple adapters which you can use with different motherboards/cpu's.  You will have no trouble finding a 1366 socket block for your 758 board
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:21:05 (permalink)
    So, watercooling parts are like a case in terms of upgrades: once you have a good one you never really need to upgrade?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:25:54 (permalink)
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    the only thing you may not be able to re-use is actual waterblocks.  They generally come with multiple adapters which you can use with different motherboards/cpu's.  You will have no trouble finding a 1366 socket block for your 758 board


    +1 only waterblocks for the CPU, chipset and GPUs would change when you upgrade to a new generation.
    The pump, reservoir, radiator, tubing and fittings will last you.
    Water cooling is easy to set up, as long as you have the patience and a good way to drain your loop.  Mind you, this hobby is not for every one.
     
     

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:37:40 (permalink)
    Really the only thing you cannot re-use in a water loop is the GPU blocks (if you have them)  CPU blocks can generally be adapted to any new socket with a change in the mount plate.  GPU blocks (full cover) can rarely be used on another GPU.  IF you buy a GPU only block the same rules apply as a CPU block.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:43:03 (permalink)
    Cool, thanks for the info everyone.
     
    About how much will a decent WC setup run me? Should I start with just the CPU?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 09:49:53 (permalink)
    Yes, just start with the CPU.  Just get your feet wet.  Only you know what your physically capable of.  If you don't feel comfortable just keep posting pictures and questions and we will take care of you.
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 12:57:02 (permalink)
    Louisville15

    Cool, thanks for the info everyone.

    About how much will a decent WC setup run me? Should I start with just the CPU?

    Ask yourself a few questions first... why are you watercooling? Do you OC your rig that much?
     
    BTW...yes start with the CPU, it's the easiest loop by far.
     
    And to answer your question, you can put together a good CPU loop for $400, $300 if you aren't as concerned about quality.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 13:23:10 (permalink)
    I most cases the only thin you end up replacing is tubing with depending on what you use is between 1.50 and 5.00 a foot, and depending on your loop you normally have 5-7 feet some bigger ones go alot higher.
    Good example of reusable blocks.  A while back I got a dirt cheap Agopee GTZ block, its a couple years old, but, it was there basically to keep the temps lower as it was a HOT household AND to keep it REALLY quiet.  Now it was a block originally for 775, AM2 and 939/940.  On Swiftechs site there was a collection of adapters all about 10$ a piece, for 1156, 1366, even socket F (1207) for Opterons.  The only time you would likely need to replace a CPU block, is if there was a CPU coming out that was VEYR much larger to where the waterblock would not have adequate surface area to cover the CPU.  Otherwise, give it a few weeks, your old block will likely have a new adapter for it.
     
    GPU waterblocks will likely need replacement with new GPUs, as there is SO much difference in PCB and component location and size.  I personally have reused ALOT of parts over the years.
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 16:45:19 (permalink)
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    Louisville15

    Cool, thanks for the info everyone.

    About how much will a decent WC setup run me? Should I start with just the CPU?

    Ask yourself a few questions first... why are you watercooling? Do you OC your rig that much?

    BTW...yes start with the CPU, it's the easiest loop by far.

    And to answer your question, you can put together a good CPU loop for $400, $300 if you aren't as concerned about quality.

     
    Eh, mainly for the reduced noise if I could go without some fans/coolers, but I'd probably mess with OCing eventually.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/24 17:20:14 (permalink)
    If all you want to do is lower the sonud you could go with high-end air or a self contained LC like the Corsair H70. I have one with soon to be 2xCM Excalibur fans and I can only hear my 2 470s.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/25 07:56:39 (permalink)
    What kind of temps do you get/did you get before?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/25 10:43:30 (permalink)
    I never actually tested it properly with the stock fans but idle temps dropped ~3c just changing the 2 stock fans to one Excalibur and getting my second today and changing the fan set-up cause I can tell I have neg air pressure.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/25 21:13:45 (permalink)
    If you want a good performing absolute bang for the buck full water cooling loop, i'd recommend these:
     
    XSPC Rasa 750 RS 240 kit (130$):
    http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-Rasa-750-RS240-CPU-watercooling-kit-pr-4753.html
     
    XSPC Rasa 750 RX 240 kit (thicker and better rad) (170$):
    http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-Rasa-750-RX240-CPU-watercooling-kit-pr-4779.html
     
    XSPC Rasa 750 RX 360 kit (triple 120mm bigger and better rad) (190$):
    http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-Rasa-750-RX360-CPU-watercooling-kit-pr-4780.html
     
    These kits feature the XSPC Rasa cpu block and their Radiators that have received great feed back and perform really well for lower prices. Everything you need is in there, Their res/pump which is actually good for basic loops including graphics cards, barbs and clamps, tubing and some hex keys. Even has its own thermal paste (which isnt too bad, but ofcourse not at par with the top brands). For these prices, i'd say theyre the best option you have to start with. I own the RX 360 kit and it performs really well here in my hot location. I just added 6 compression fittings and red primochill tubing, it all amounted to 250$ more or less.
     
    I'd rather go this way than buying an all in one like the H70, gives me room to add more wc options like cooling my cards, ram etc. Looks way better and performs way better too.  Surely it will cost more but the performance difference and perks will surely offset that price difference.
     


     

     

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/02/26 05:35:25 (permalink)
    Your first hurdle in Watercooling, is to quit looking at the price.
    Every time the loop comes down I trash the tubing and buy new, it's fairly cheap.  Now with fittings, I only use compression fittings from BP myself. Some people use barbs with clamps. all prefrence really, the compression fittings look alot cleaner in alot of cases. I have compression fittings I still use that are 2-3 years old, same with pumps. I just retired a res thats been in several loops and looks as good as the day I bought it. 
     
    Alot of it comes down to what you want as far as looks. Compression fittings are $8-10 each, most items come with barbs for free. 
     
    Your choice of the coolant is a large topic of argument also. I run a non conductive fluid. And the one time I did have a fitting failure years back (by my own noobish mistake) the loop drained almost 2 liters of coolant all over 3 video cards, my motherboard, and my CPU. I had no damage, took DAYS to clean off the boards, but no damage at all. I use the FluidXP line, they were highly recommended by PPCS back then, and thats what sprayed all over my board when I had the spill and took no damage, so thats what I still use.
     
    Cost of my loop? $900-1000 probally, not all bought at once, over the years, just spent another $500 on it this week for upgrades.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/11 08:53:55 (permalink)
    My main concern is spending a significant amount of money (~400 or so it seems) and then being COMPLETELY clueless on how to hook it all up, aside from YouTube videos or things like that. Even worse, I'm worried about screwing it up and damaging my current components, which would cost me even more money to replace. I don't know anyone personally with a watercooled setup, so I would be 100% on my own.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/11 09:54:44 (permalink)
    Alot of it is fairly intuitive, and you can always get pics and post as you go and ask questions.  I have had leaks before, and I had a acrylic top to 355 with a res top shattered..... really couldnt say why, and it hose down a few aprts. Frankly, I have seen WAAAAAY more damage from  failed PSUs than I have from water. 
    Also, bench test it, where you can babysit it and get to it easily, outside your case as this is your first attempt.  So if somehting starts to go wrong you can pull power and dry it up without alot of stuff in the way.
    Dont worry, i know it can be daunting your first time, but this whole community has your back, we can assist and answer any questions..... juast get pics of ANYTHING you have questions on.  Many of us here have built a dozen + ourselves, and likely 100+ via forums like this.
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/11 10:47:46 (permalink)
    You can also use a non conductive fluid, alot of people say to use distilled water with a killcoil. I have been using FluidXP's products for years and never had any issues, no breakdowns, no clumps, no discoloration. I even had a fitting bust and sprayed my MB, 3 GPU's, and my HDD's while the system was running. I took 0 damage from the spill, took me a few days to strip and clean all the components. I was told about the product years back and the fact it was nonconductive, so I started using it. When it spilled all over my rig and I took no damage, I will continue to use it regardless of the cost. The main thing about some of the fluids like what I use is it can be anywhere from $20-$40 a liter, my loop holds 2 liters so it cost me roughly $40 just to fill it. On the flip side of that, there isn't a single component in my rig that is $40 or less.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/13 22:13:45 (permalink)
    What kind of temp decrease should I expect if I WC my CPU? Right now the core temps usually idle in the high 30s C at stock.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/14 08:16:46 (permalink)
    The base temps will drop some, but idle isnt the huge concern, my idle temps dropped very slightly, however, its load temps where I saw a big difference.  I went from a Noctua with push/pull and under full load from LinX I went from 56-58 full load to 44-46 full load on an apogee GTZ CPU block, which is good, but definitly not the top of the food chain for CPU blocks.
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/14 20:15:11 (permalink)
    Is there any way that I could get by with spending ~$300, just to get me started? I could always upgrade individual components later, right?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/15 08:55:37 (permalink)
    Pssh yeah. $300 is enough for a very nice CPU loop.
     
    What do you like more, Copper or nickel?
    Do you want a bay res, or tube?
    What fans will you be using on the rad?
    Do you want to use barbs or compressions?
     
    After I know this I can set you up a nice list.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/15 09:05:15 (permalink)
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    Pssh yeah. $300 is enough for a very nice CPU loop.

    What do you like more, Copper or nickel?
    Do you want a bay res, or tube?
    What fans will you be using on the rad?
    Do you want to use barbs or compressions?

    After I know this I can set you up a nice list.

     
    TBH, I have no knowledge of the differences to even know what to look for. Is there any way that you could make a complete list of what all I need, as cheap as possible for a CPU loop, but with something that is still of decent quality? I mean, I know with everything you get what you pay for, but I'm just getting my feet wet when it comes to this stuff so I don't need $500 worth of parts or anything. 
     
    EDIT: At $300 I'm still on the fence about getting a kit, but if I could spend ~$200, I would strongly consider taking the plunge, lol.
     
    Also, are there any other small things that I should know about? For example, when I clean out my fan filters I usually unplug my computer and take it into another room down the hall so that I have more light to see when I take everything apart. Will having a WC setup require extra precautions when doing things such as this?
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/15 09:59:55 (permalink)
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekhffuni.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekradxt2401.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/x2o750du5bay.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/big14mabl1id.html x 8
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/dupvctu7id5o.html x 8
     
     
    Total cost: $250.45
     
    And with regards to extra precautions.. Unless you mount the rad external, not really. If you do you wanna be careful of course, but otherwise nah.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/20 16:05:11 (permalink)
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    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekhffuni.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekradxt2401.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/x2o750du5bay.html
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/big14mabl1id.html x 8
    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/dupvctu7id5o.html x 8


    Total cost: $250.45

    And with regards to extra precautions.. Unless you mount the rad external, not really. If you do you wanna be careful of course, but otherwise nah.

     
    Thanks!! How does that compare to the ones that were linked earlier?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/21 14:39:26 (permalink)
    Also, what is the best way to achieve colored tubing/liquid? I've heard to stay away from colored liquid, as it can harm your parts, is that true?

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/21 14:48:46 (permalink)
    Some say it is, some say it isn't. I've used dyed liquid for years and never had any issues. Guess it's all in who you use. I run FluidXP

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/21 15:27:58 (permalink)
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    Also, what is the best way to achieve colored tubing/liquid? I've heard to stay away from colored liquid, as it can harm your parts, is that true?

    Depends on the Brand. There was one brand, I can't remember who, but it would gunk up and get stuck in the fins/pins of blocks. I think though with normal flushing about every 3 - 6 months though would prevent that.

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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/21 16:36:40 (permalink)
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    And with regards to extra precautions.. Unless you mount the rad external, not really. If you do you wanna be careful of course, but otherwise nah.


    Thanks!! How does that compare to the ones that were linked earlier?

     
    It should be a fair amount better than the others. And I would recommend using distilled water and a silver kill coil, and if you want color go for colored tubing.
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    Re:Is watercooling reusable? 2011/03/21 19:47:47 (permalink)
    Will colored tubing look the same though? For instance, I think this looks awesome:
     
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