tizubythefizo
 
They do household limits though, so someone trying to automate purchasing would need many, many different addresses to ship to.

evgoli
This could end up working out well for AMD next month if they can provide something mildly competitive in high volume, if Nvidia can't supply 30xx quick enough.

As someone with a 1080Ti FTW3 I can wait, also as I suspect the 3080Ti series is waiting in the wilderness to fill the $800-1000 void.

Trigger2142

Omoeba
But it would be a shame if it's only the XC3 black since it doesn't have a backplate.
 

What does backplate get you versus not having one?
 

tizubythefizo
 
They do household limits though, so someone trying to automate purchasing would need many, many different addresses to ship to.

q5sys

tizubythefizo
 
They do household limits though, so someone trying to automate purchasing would need many, many different addresses to ship to.

That's really not hard to accomplish.  I have a house address, three PO Boxes, an office address, and if I decided to farm out to family, that'd be another 8 or 9 addresses i could potentially use.  You'd be surprised how many addresses a single person can come up with if there's money to be made.  At the local Mail place near me, a 6 month box is like $20... Someone could go in and buy a dozen of them... they'd definitely make their money back in the long run once they flip the cards.
The reason scalpers exist in the first place is because how much money they can make from doing it.  Where there's a will there's a way.   

Xaelias

HeavyHemi

NICROD
I agree, they should be screening loyalty customers to the front of the line. Its a no brainer. I tell you what if they leave us all to try and fight the bots. We should boycott and jump ship to another company this gen. I bet if we start organizing right here they will notice and do something. 

Should I be in front of you with your 22 hours of 'loyalty'?

I mean let him jump ship. One fewer person in line ;-)

Xaelias

HeavyHemi

NICROD
I agree, they should be screening loyalty customers to the front of the line. Its a no brainer. I tell you what if they leave us all to try and fight the bots. We should boycott and jump ship to another company this gen. I bet if we start organizing right here they will notice and do something. 

Should I be in front of you with your 22 hours of 'loyalty'?

I mean let him jump ship. One fewer person in line ;-)

q5sys

tizubythefizo
 
EVGA doesn't ship to PO boxes (or at least didn't use to) so you'd need actual physical addresses.

Non US Postal Service PO Box Mail locations accept all deliveries (UPS, Fedex, DHL, etc) with a different physical address for each person.  It's no different than the way it works for apartment complexes. EVGA is not going to restrict one card per Highrise in NYC... the same would apply. 
 

tizubythefizo
Anyway at that point it's no different than just pooling your money together with friends and family and forming a semi-criminal enterprise (the scalping itself might be legit depending on state, but misusing the mail system to effectively defraud EVGA could be a federal crime), having each of them order two (you need different payment options tied to different addresses for each 2) separately while one of you does the reselling and divvies up the cash. I could see a single person getting a half dozen to a dozen cards this way with enough effort, but the sheer amount of upfront capital and different physical addresses and payment methods tied to those addresses is a pretty significant hurdle. It's not "easy" by any stretch.

 
It's not defrauding EVGA, as you'd be buying them at market price.  Would a guy running a small computer shop buying 10 and marking them up $100 to sell on his shelves be defrauding EVGA? As for different cards, that's also not difficult to get around with one time use cards.

It being expensive doesn't mean its not easy.  And if you're taking those $699 3080s and selling them for $1000, if you sell 10, you've just made $3k. 

Bitvar

tizubythefizo

q5sys

tizubythefizo
 
EVGA doesn't ship to PO boxes (or at least didn't use to) so you'd need actual physical addresses.

Non US Postal Service PO Box Mail locations accept all deliveries (UPS, Fedex, DHL, etc) with a different physical address for each person.  It's no different than the way it works for apartment complexes. EVGA is not going to restrict one card per Highrise in NYC... the same would apply. 
 

tizubythefizo
Anyway at that point it's no different than just pooling your money together with friends and family and forming a semi-criminal enterprise (the scalping itself might be legit depending on state, but misusing the mail system to effectively defraud EVGA could be a federal crime), having each of them order two (you need different payment options tied to different addresses for each 2) separately while one of you does the reselling and divvies up the cash. I could see a single person getting a half dozen to a dozen cards this way with enough effort, but the sheer amount of upfront capital and different physical addresses and payment methods tied to those addresses is a pretty significant hurdle. It's not "easy" by any stretch.

 
It's not defrauding EVGA, as you'd be buying them at market price.  Would a guy running a small computer shop buying 10 and marking them up $100 to sell on his shelves be defrauding EVGA? As for different cards, that's also not difficult to get around with one time use cards.

It being expensive doesn't mean its not easy.  And if you're taking those $699 3080s and selling them for $1000, if you sell 10, you've just made $3k. 

Apologies, should be fraud instead of defraud.

It's fraud, as you would be circumventing the restrictions the selling entity put in place, acquiring the goods in bad faith for your own financial gain (which is the literal definition of fraud).

Using the postal service to carry that out makes it mail fraud and a federal crime.

There aren't any restrictions. Unless you count the account creation a restriction. But anyone can bulk make accounts starting now and be ready to go with some click-through scripts come sale day and buy as many as they want for scalping on ebay/amazon.

the_Scarlet_one

Bitvar
There aren't any restrictions. Unless you count the account creation a restriction. But anyone can bulk make accounts starting now and be ready to go with some click-through scripts come sale day and buy as many as they want for scalping on ebay/amazon.

Incorrect, Evga will ban multiple account from the same user or address if it is noticed, especially if they are created in rapid secession. It is strictly prohibited for a user to have more than one account.

q5sys

Xaelias

q5sys
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Except the sheer amount of memory in the 3090 is what makes it attractive for gamers when it comes to future proofing.
Games are going to be able to use more and more memory. Especially with 4k and 8k coming up.

Sure... but by the time games have 24gb of assets, these people will be buying the next gen card with even more memory.  And to be frank... i'd bet most of the people that will be buying the 3090 on launch day are the same people that will be buying the 4090 or whatever on launch day, because they want the best of the best no matter what., and they wont be satisfied having a generation old card.  I know several people that sold their 2080ti's a few weeks ago in preparation just to buy the newest top of the line card released and they wanted to beat the drop in prices and get the most out the cards they were liquidating.  They did the same with their 1080ti's a few weeks before the 20 series was launched.  

Xaelias

q5sys

Xaelias

q5sys
...

Except the sheer amount of memory in the 3090 is what makes it attractive for gamers when it comes to future proofing.
Games are going to be able to use more and more memory. Especially with 4k and 8k coming up.

Sure... but by the time games have 24gb of assets, these people will be buying the next gen card with even more memory.  And to be frank... i'd bet most of the people that will be buying the 3090 on launch day are the same people that will be buying the 4090 or whatever on launch day, because they want the best of the best no matter what., and they wont be satisfied having a generation old card.  I know several people that sold their 2080ti's a few weeks ago in preparation just to buy the newest top of the line card released and they wanted to beat the drop in prices and get the most out the cards they were liquidating.  They did the same with their 1080ti's a few weeks before the 20 series was launched.  

We already have games that can fill 10GB of memory though...

exilelrrp
Shm.... Senseless discussions - Who gives a **** who does what to get a GPU or 3 in their hands, just buy it and keep it moving.

q5sys

tizubythefizo
 
However, using the mail system (so getting the stuff shipped) to commit any type of fraud (civil or criminal) is itself a felony. 

Not according to Federal law, Mail fraud is defined in  as:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud,
or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations,
or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply,
or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article,
or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article,
for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do,
places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service,
or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier,
or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing,
or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon,
or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

 
Buying cards in violation of EVGA's Terms of Service does not constitute any thing listed in the above section of Federal Code.

It's crappy human behavior and a violation of EVGA's ToS... but its not Federal Mail Fraud.

for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses

q5sys

tizubythefizo
 
However, using the mail system (so getting the stuff shipped) to commit any type of fraud (civil or criminal) is itself a felony. 

Not according to Federal law, Mail fraud is defined in  as:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud,
or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations,
or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply,
or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article,
or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article,
for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do,
places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service,
or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier,
or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing,
or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon,
or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

 
Buying cards in violation of EVGA's Terms of Service does not constitute any thing listed in the above section of Federal Code.

It's crappy human behavior and a violation of EVGA's ToS... but its not Federal Mail Fraud.