NazcaC2
I can't take you seriously whatsoever. Their experience and my experience/education/reputation has no correlation. You're full of yourself and a troll and that speaks volumes. You have no credibility and you can deviate subjects all you want to focus on something else. You're just another person on the Internet who thinks they know everything, lol.

Why do you think I don't mention other brands wise guy? Fact: I don't run into nearly enough problems with other brands clearly. "See where I'm getting?" What?! Are you done? 👍

 You called yourself a tech, barely show the class, the etiquette and ethics of a tech. You are just a wanna be paper tech, self deluded like many here who think because you buy and own the best you are the best in reality you are the opposite, junior.
 
The funny thing is you are a Tech and dont know even half of whats out there. I dont focus much in being a tech, yet, i know more than your do, figures....lol. Your maturity level show in the paragraph you just wrote, when facing the truth, you start calling names to make you feel better of yourself. Your credibility is of a name caller, and a whinny little boy who does not act much of a man when taking criticism well. 
My credibility is based of who i am in real life 24/7. I am not a 2 face troll like you. I can have conversations with anyone here, what i have said it has come on point so far those who talk to me can say that. 
why dont you search worst GPUs and CPUs to buy in 2019? Tell me who is on Top of that list? See where this is going? 
You have to repeat what i write? you have no self identity whatsoever, yet you call me a troll...lol.  

Quick there are some free courses of ethics classes in the internet, your are still below kinder on this subject....lol. The lack of hair is making you talk not like a tech....
 
How about that rumor of another fail refresh tech from Intel?
 
Since you are not savvy in your research skills, here i found it for you.
 

The Worst CPU & GPU Purchases of 2019
Intel Cascade Lake-X. Last year we nominated the Skylake-X Refresh as one of the worst CPU releases, calling it 2018's biggest snooze-fest. ...Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650 (standard, non-Super version) ...AMD Ryzen 7 3800X. ...Intel Core i9-9900KF / i9-9900KS. ...MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon. ...Asus TUF Gaming X3 Radeon RX 5700 XT.
 
Two main companies that dominated the market in their respective segment, are the first 2 in the list for being the worst....lol

You guys need to tone it down before the mods come for you.

kevinc313
You guys need to tone it down before the mods come for you.

Nah let him run around like a little kid. He needs to ventilate. So you buying the refresh of the fail Intel CPU rumor?

Like Kevin said, Intel could eat AMD for lunch since they're so massive. They're not screwed at all. AMD gets their big break and AMD diehards lose their minds. Intel is so diverse and it's hardly worth losing sleep over.

NazcaC2
Like Kevin said, Intel could eat AMD for lunch since they're so massive. They're not screwed at all. AMD gets their big break and AMD diehards lose their minds. Intel is so diverse and it's hardly worth losing sleep over.

What I meant earlier about "Meme Workstations" is that the new AMD desktop line has great performance in some workstation tasks, rendering etc, but lack all the other things you would expect from a true professional workstation, such as stability, compatibility, PCIe lanes, etc. 
 
They are unremarkable for gaming which is the primary real use for the large majority of enthusiasts.  Intel's Comet Lake, while only an incremental improvement, will continue to beat AMD in games.  With the increasing commonalty of 144hz screens and the GPU's to support will continue to sustain Intel as a viable choice.

kevinc313What I meant earlier about "Meme Workstations" is that the new AMD desktop line has great performance in some workstation tasks, rendering etc, but lack all the other things you would expect from a true professional workstation, such as stability,

Check.

compatibility,

Check.

PCIe lanes

Check.

, etc.

No etcetera?  Ok, sounds like AMD has it covered.

They are unremarkable for gaming which is the primary real use for the large majority of enthusiasts.

Really?  Interesting.  I would say, to the contrary, there are few applications where Intel's CPUs beat AMD's.

Intel's Comet Lake, while only an incremental improvement, will continue to beat AMD in games.

What?  They are all laptop CPUs.

With the increasing commonalty of 144hz screens and the GPU's to support will continue to sustain Intel as a viable choice.

At the moment, it's only high refresh rates and low resolutions which will bottleneck the CPUs enough to make Intel barely eek out ahead of AMD.  Viable?  I am not so sure.  Price-to-performance is not good for Intel at the moment.  Neither is power consumption.
 

awalleyeguy
Intel produces the best 14nm processors on Earth.

Ha!  Without a doubt!

kevinc313
The $199, 16-month old, 9600K convincingly beats most of AMD's new chips in most games, can take a fat overclock and scales with fast ram.

$199?  I'm not so sure about that.  Looks like it's about $225, to me.  For roughly the same price, you can buy the AMD 3600X, the gaming performance will be the same -- within margin of error and certainly not perceivable -- and then performance while doing EVERYTHING ELSE will be much better with the AMD 3600X.  And you would then have PCI-E 4.0 with SSD speeds you could only dream of.  This has already been exhaustively covered by respected reviewers.

awalleyeguy
Intel produces the best 14nm processors on Earth.

Indeed and selected as the number 1 worst buy in 2019. Please google it

Intel is not a small company. They have enough mulla resources to compete, here we are a new decade and still milking the 14mm for another year making 8 years with the same mm CPU. Same practice goes with Nvidia and none who own their products complaint seeing a small company like AMD moving forward.
Dont you Intel owners feel cheated paying for a CPU that is a refresh after refresh for 7 years at a higher price? All the change you see is cache increase instead of seeing more cores?

Since I grabbed some new RAM, G.Skill DDR4-3200 my rig is now running way better. My CPU tops out at DDR4-2933 which is documented; newer processors can reach 3200.
 
My CPU has been able to reach close 4 GHz in some games but my RX 480 does most of the heavy lifting. The boost on my RX 480 works really well.
 

kevinc313

NazcaC2
Meme workstations?

Sorry quoted the the wrong person.
 
Yeah, meme workstation.  Good for making memes, and being a meme of a workstation.
 

 

RainStryke
It's clear that AMD marketing has been pushing super hard since 2019. I noticed the trend once the 3950X was announced, I saw some instant loyalty from a few channels on youtube that dropped about 15 years of built up frustration with Intel. The people that were publicly shaming Intel were getting pre-launch access to AMD products. The ones that are sticking with Intel for gaming purposes exclusively on their own PC were not given the same treatment. It's very clear that AMD is making some big moves in the desktop market ever since they dropped Global Foundries and went with NVIDIA's partner, TSMC. But this whole Intel shaming fad right now is a bit ridiculous... A lot of it is coming from content creators that are seeing giant improvements for their daily tasks, but not that much different for gaming when it comes down to Intel's highest end vs AMD's.

 
+1   
 
It's quite obvious the AMD shareholders and marketing footsoldiers are making their rounds on Intel and Nvidia based forums as of late.  It's like they have no AMD forum cesspool to join in or something.  

kevinc313
Gamer's Nexus is currently on a campaign against Intel for whatever reason.  Whatever.

 
While I respect the guy as he know's his stuff, I strongly disagree with him on the whole TIM debate.  He tells viewers that using excessive amount of TIM on your CPU is ok and it won't damage it while TIM is everywhere.  Sure it won't kill the CPU but what about the buildup of particles, debris and dust over time?  Kinda like the myth that custom liquid cooling fluid is nonconductive.  It might come as such but once introduced to the real world, that diminishes quickly.  My point is, won't it make the TIM conductive all of a sudden?  More so, I can't stand messy things (OCD) so a messy socket oozing with TIM everywhere would drive me nuts but he tells the world that it's ok.  I never understood that nor do I think I ever will but to each their own.

GTXJackBauer
Sure it won't kill the CPU but what about the buildup of particles, debris and dust over time?  Kinda like the myth that custom liquid cooling fluid is nonconductive.  It might come as such but once introduced to the real world, that diminishes quickly.  My point is, won't it make the TIM conductive all of a sudden?

Nope. Not any more than the dust which naturally coats your hardware. Why? Because the dust doesn't have any means of penetrating into the thermal paste and mixing up the thermal paste into some kind of high density dust compound. Since the mechanism of dust buildup remains the same, the result of dust buildup remains the same. One could argue that the thermal paste actually coats and provides the components with a protective layer from dust. ;) Of course that is silly, but so is worry about the thickness of dust buildup on thermal paste.

Gamers Nexus is one of the most fair and impartial computer review media organizations at the moment. If they have it out for Intel, I respect that they must have a reason. As discussed in one of their recent videos, when they are invited to conventions and product unveilings they are the minority of the media outlets which refuse to accept funding for travel, accommodation, entertainment, or meals for fear that it will affect their judgement. They try very hard to be impartial and try very hard to avoid corruption.

This conversation starts at 8:56 in the following video:

veganfanatic
Since I grabbed some new RAM, G.Skill DDR4-3200 my rig is now running way better. My CPU tops out at DDR4-2933 which is documented; newer processors can reach 3200.
 
My CPU has been able to reach close 4 GHz in some games but my RX 480 does most of the heavy lifting. The boost on my RX 480 works really well.
 

That's just the memory controller's native frequency. You can run RAM much faster than that. The best deal for XMP RAM is the 3600MHz stuff right now.. My i7 9700K is rated for 2666MHz but I got it to 4533MHz.