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2019/06/10 10:17:57 (permalink)
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000
 
AMD is on the verge of launching its 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors that are widely expected to take the performance crown from Intel. At its Computex 2019 reveal, AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su claimed that these processors beat the competition in all areas, including gaming. Motherboard manufacturers threw their weight behind AMD by pulling out their most premium brands for the AMD "Valhalla" desktop platform that consists of these processors, mated with an AMD X570 chipset motherboard. Ahead of its E3 2019 keynote Monday afternoon, Intel has come out with a challenge. Chipzilla dares AMD to beat it in "real-world gaming."

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 11:18:29 (permalink)
    Just make sure to run the Intel processors on un-patched security versions before the speeds drop off ......

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 16:56:29 (permalink)


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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 17:08:45 (permalink)
    I think AMD should take them up on their offer, they have nothing to lose. If they lose by a small margin every one will say that is what we assumed, if AMD wins Intel gave AMD free marketing. This is bad move on Intel, they have nothing to gain.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 17:36:07 (permalink)
    Sounds like Intel is getting nervous....
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 20:14:37 (permalink)
    Love it. AMD calming the crown, but can't beat Intel in gaming. =)
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 20:20:01 (permalink)
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    I think AMD should take them up on their offer, they have nothing to lose. If they lose by a small margin every one will say that is what we assumed, if AMD wins Intel gave AMD free marketing. This is bad move on Intel, they have nothing to gain.




    You forget that MSI CEO is saying AMD will no longer be the value alternative. If they want to play ball in the same field as Intel they better be able to back it up in real world performance. Close is good when you are the budget brand but if you want gamers to buy your product at a high cost you need to take the lead.

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/10 20:24:14 (permalink)
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    Just make sure to run the Intel processors on un-patched security versions before the speeds drop off ......


    Unpatched is definitely the way to go on a system that is only being used for gaming.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 06:15:34 (permalink)
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    Love it. AMD calming the crown, but can't beat Intel in gaming. =)


    Again this is why I think AMD should accept Intel's offer, you and most just assume Intel will win by a small margin. AMD has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 06:18:18 (permalink)
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    I think AMD should take them up on their offer, they have nothing to lose. If they lose by a small margin every one will say that is what we assumed, if AMD wins Intel gave AMD free marketing. This is bad move on Intel, they have nothing to gain.




    But what happens if AMD losses.... 

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 06:25:12 (permalink)
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    I think AMD should take them up on their offer, they have nothing to lose. If they lose by a small margin every one will say that is what we assumed, if AMD wins Intel gave AMD free marketing. This is bad move on Intel, they have nothing to gain.




    But what happens if AMD losses.... 




    I would say they should (No idea what they WILL do) drop their prices a bit...and work on the next gen...try to get better...
     
    Frankly 10FPS when you're talking 150+ doesn't matter to me...I will buy an AMD just to make they stay in business to compete...(Note: I'm talking CPU, NEVER will I buy an AMD GPU)
     
    Oh well...we'll see how this shakes out.
     

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 06:45:25 (permalink)
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    I think AMD should take them up on their offer, they have nothing to lose. If they lose by a small margin every one will say that is what we assumed, if AMD wins Intel gave AMD free marketing. This is bad move on Intel, they have nothing to gain.




    But what happens if AMD losses.... 


    Then that is what everyone assumes will happen anyway.... That is like me challenging Usain Bolt to 100 meter dash, if he wins, big deal, if I win it is a big deal, heck even if it is a photo finish loss, in away I still win. This is marketing 101, you can definitely tell Intel hired AMD's old marketing team recently, it was always terrible. 

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 07:26:22 (permalink)
    Elite Gaming & 1080P  ?
     
    Where is the 1440 & 4K results ?
     
    Bar graphs are not very useful if they do not give All numbers & how the PC was setup
     
    I wounder How long it would take Intel & AMD to agree to the Terms of the Match ...

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 08:17:01 (permalink)
    Yes because the average gamer games on 240Hz screens! 

    This chart is a FARCE and should make the AMD fan club WORRY.  Unless they're hiding good average numbers, I don't understand their approach.  Any common sense PC gamer should see the red flags here.

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 08:41:37 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    Elite Gaming & 1080P  ?

     
    Where is the 1440 & 4K results ?
    That actually wouldn't be useful as you increase the resolution the less work the CPU does, 1080p makes it less GPU bound.
     
    Bar graphs are not very useful if they do not give All numbers & how the PC was setup
    I totally agree. AMD admitted they did test with Intel "Multi-core enhancement" off. Which is basically per board overclocking.
     
    AMD did say this to PC World about the test perimeters.
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    All of the performance testing you’re seeing today, AMD officials tell us, are done without the updated Windows scheduler in place. AMD also tells us it didn’t install the latest security mitigation for Intel’s chips either.

    So while MCE Auto would likely give the Intel chip more performance, the Ryzen 3000 probably would also see a bump in some games from the latest Windows 10 scheduler.
      
     
    I wounder How long it would take Intel & AMD to agree to the Terms of the Match ...
    Ya, that would be difficult, sort of like trying to get a boxing match.



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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 08:47:41 (permalink)
    More to the My Point --> Cherry Picking by Marketing
     
    Hey if AMD can make Intel step-up their game or lower their prices - its still a Win for everyone

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 08:51:36 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    More to the My Point --> Cherry Picking by Marketing
     
    Hey if AMD can make Intel step-up their game or lower their prices - its still a Win for everyone


    All these slides are 100% marketing, they can't lie though as that would be bad but of course will show in the best light. Same as intel slides on their challenge to AMD

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 09:55:01 (permalink)
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    Elite Gaming & 1080P  ?
     
    Where is the 1440 & 4K results ?
     
    Bar graphs are not very useful if they do not give All numbers & how the PC was setup
     
    I wounder How long it would take Intel & AMD to agree to the Terms of the Match ...




    'Elite gaming & 1080P"...lmao... nothing else needs to be said. 

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 09:59:50 (permalink)
    vegajf51
     
     
    Then that is what everyone assumes will happen anyway.... That is like me challenging Usain Bolt to 100 meter dash, if he wins, big deal, if I win it is a big deal, heck even if it is a photo finish loss, in away I still win. This is marketing 101, you can definitely tell Intel hired AMD's old marketing team recently, it was always terrible. 
     



    I dont think that its that simple in this case... the hype train is going full steam ahead with this new lineup of AMD processors knocking Intel off its throne. If AMD losses or even ties, than they lose BIG.

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 10:04:32 (permalink)
    At the end of the day Intel is not actually challenging them directly and has zero interest in any kind of head to head challenge. Why is that you ask? Great question, glad you asked! Because every tech based YouTube channel is going to be putting AMD up against Intel (and Intel knows this), give it time and we will have our answer. 
     
    Intel just taunting them, simply because they can. 
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 10:39:27 (permalink)
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    At the end of the day Intel is not actually challenging them directly and has zero interest in any kind of head to head challenge. Why is that you ask? Great question, glad you asked! Because every tech based YouTube channel is going to be putting AMD up against Intel (and Intel knows this), give it time and we will have our answer. 
     
    Intel just taunting them, simply because they can. 


    I agree, in time we will know for sure, honestly though I usually play at 1440p so my 8700k is a non issue at that resolution, GPU is more important. Maybe if I was a professional CSGO player playing at 1080p 240hz monitor I would be more interested in the results.

    Honestly though it’s going to be so close though either way I will definitely be going AMD this time around, for the cpu anyways.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/11 10:40:53 (permalink)
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    Cool GTX
    Elite Gaming & 1080P  ?
     
    Where is the 1440 & 4K results ?
     
    Bar graphs are not very useful if they do not give All numbers & how the PC was setup
     
    I wounder How long it would take Intel & AMD to agree to the Terms of the Match ...




    'Elite gaming & 1080P"...lmao... nothing else needs to be said. 


    That is the resolution pro’s play at and the most CPU intensive. An intel i3 can do 4K.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/13 17:43:49 (permalink)
    this is an interesting battle, lets see where intel is going on from now on and what will the answer be in a "real life" scenario.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/13 19:53:04 (permalink)
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    this is an interesting battle, lets see where intel is going on from now on and what will the answer be in a "real life" scenario.




    The answer is easy, it does not matter. Really think about it processors are so fast at this point that for most people the difference in performance between what is the "best" and everything else is of no consequence. Honestly this is why I think that Intel does not really care and is not worried about this... Its also why I think they are starting to invest in the GPU market, it gives them access to an area where there is still room for large performance gains that do make a difference. 

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/14 06:54:33 (permalink)
    Saw this on twitter, I do suppose "Real World Gaming" can be defined many different ways.... :-p
     

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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/14 09:40:51 (permalink)
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    this is an interesting battle, lets see where intel is going on from now on and what will the answer be in a "real life" scenario.




    The answer is easy, it does not matter. Really think about it processors are so fast at this point that for most people the difference in performance between what is the "best" and everything else is of no consequence. Honestly this is why I think that Intel does not really care and is not worried about this... Its also why I think they are starting to invest in the GPU market, it gives them access to an area where there is still room for large performance gains that do make a difference. 


    That is an interesting and valid way to out things.
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    Re: Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming" 2019/06/20 23:40:26 (permalink)
    I picture them all as a bunch of electronic engineers, marketing and administrative staff sitting around a card table playing Pokemon card games against each other. 
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