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2020/05/18 11:16:41 (permalink)
I recently installed a hydro copper block to my rtx 2080 xc hybrid to add into my loop. Temps are not ideal though. From what i've read they shouldn't be going past 45c. Mine hits 60+ , The hybrid did better even. I have checked my rad , added another rad which actually made it a few c worse. had liquid hit ram before gpu , gpu before ram , gpu is first in the loop before cpu , flow , fans , everything. I've drained the loop and re pasted the card about 10 times in the past few days just for the hell of it . with little to no change in result. I just can't seem to figure out what the issue could be , besides a bad block?
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 12:46:31 (permalink)
    How quickly does it hit 60+? 

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 13:01:47 (permalink)
    Within a minute or so , it jumps from idle of 29ish straight to like 55-58c then continues to climb to 60+. CPU temps are the same , with or without the second rad. 49c max. (3900x) or before or after hydro copper install. 
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 13:59:17 (permalink)
    Sounds like bad contact between the DIE and GPU block to me. If second rad does nothing and your temps climb up that fast within a minute. Had a very similar issue (also with hydrocopper block on KP).
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 14:04:24 (permalink)
    so pretty much RMA,  or get the ek velocity?
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 14:13:15 (permalink)
    Could be a mounting or thermal paste issue when you installed the block. I would pop it off to check the TIM spread, and probably open it up to make sure the fin grids are clear of obstruction. Then try mounting it again with fresh TIM.


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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 14:20:18 (permalink)
    I've re pasted using the included paste , thermal grizzly and noctua NT-H1 , a couple times each.. every time i pulled it off it looked great. Can't seem to spot an issue with the mounting. But I'll give her one last try. 
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 14:34:56 (permalink)
    You could also post the pics of the spread here, I got some experience with trying to make the spread really good, also I am interested to see how the spread looks like. If it looks "ok" but its actually bad (my hydrocopper adventure).
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 15:25:50 (permalink)
    Give us a full listing of your PC and the liquid cooling used.

    I noticed lots of tubing entering that reservoir.  I don't think that many are needed as it could decreasing the flow quite a bit, not to mention how restrictive the GPU block can be.  Without knowing what your flow rate is, it's hard to tell atm.

    Have you tested this by running all the fans and pump at full power?
     
    Also, I would have kept 3 fans as intake at the bottom and just place the single rad on top of it with another fan on it for P/P since without those intakes, you don't have many places of fresh cooler air being brought in along with a rear fan to help exhaust that internal warmer air.

    Do you use a filter up top?  If so, turn those fans to intake with the rear used for exhaust.
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 15:26:33 (permalink)
    Regarding the mounting, make sure there's no board components blocking the waterblock from screwing down flush. That includes maybe one of the screws not tightening properly, possibly leaving one edge of the block not fully seated on the card. 
     
    As Mcwrah said, a photo of the spread would be good! Just to be sure too much isn't being used or something.
     
    If you can visually inspect the waterblock fins I'd still check that too. If something was partially blocking flow through them that would also do it. 


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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 16:19:53 (permalink)
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    The fan configuration is 3x bottom intake with dust filter- 3x side intake with dust filter - 3x top exhuast/rad. I also added a bitspower leviathon 240 XF as a bottom intake and exhaust (tried both).
     
    I Just redid the card and paste before i saw your posts , but i will take it apart now and take pictures this time.





     

     
      







     
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 16:37:07 (permalink)
    Sounds like definitely a contact issue.  My 2080 Super FTW3 with pre-installed hydrocopper block usually caps at around 50 sometimes 52-54C while being hammered with Folding units (250-270W according to HWiNFO64).  That's with a single 30mm 360 Alphacool v2 rad, Kuplex Kryos Next on the CPU and a D5 PWM running at around 70%.  I can't even get much higher on the temps if I add in OCCT or similar running on the CPU at the same time.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 17:21:06 (permalink)
    I posted a picture in above post of my last thermal job. i'd imagine this one looks the same.. but i removed those 2 tubes / that passage on the distro and re pasted again as usual , this time she's maxing out at 47C with air still in the lines. so i'm thinking this time it's good. Wonder if it was that passage or the paste?
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 17:29:40 (permalink)
    We can't see it.  It is "pending approval" by a moderator.
     
    EDIT: Now it is visible.  It looks to me like it needs more pressure.
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 18:01:37 (permalink)
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    I posted a picture in above post of my last thermal job. i'd imagine this one looks the same.. but i removed those 2 tubes / that passage on the distro and re pasted again as usual , this time she's maxing out at 47C with air still in the lines. so i'm thinking this time it's good. Wonder if it was that passage or the paste?




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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 18:14:04 (permalink)
    Might of been , May have to flush and find out. Is 48c still a little on the high side?
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/18 23:40:56 (permalink)
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    Might of been , May have to flush and find out. Is 48c still a little on the high side?




    It could be cooler but that all depends on the loop, ambient temps, etc.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 07:48:44 (permalink)
    Did a little digging , pump is a bitspower touchaqua S1 , according to specs it puts out 960 L/H. Ambient temps in the room are generally 19-20c. Some of this is a little confusing haha... Converting L/H L/M , GPM etc.. How much restriction or what can this pump realistically handle? Thinking on buying another nemesis 360 gts for the bottom to see if that helps any further? 

     

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 13:10:13 (permalink)
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    Did a little digging , pump is a bitspower touchaqua S1 , according to specs it puts out 960 L/H. Ambient temps in the room are generally 19-20c. Some of this is a little confusing haha... Converting L/H L/M , GPM etc.. How much restriction or what can this pump realistically handle? Thinking on buying another nemesis 360 gts for the bottom to see if that helps any further? 
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    Not a bad pump.  It's a 17w DDC running full bore @ 960 lt/h = 4.2268 gal/m.  You got a good powerful pump.  DDCs are known to have better pressure than D5s in complex loops like yours but are louder than D5s is one of the tradeoffs.
     
    I think at this point, I would focus on your configuration of the loop.  Loop order doesn't matter as long as the reservoir is feeding a pump because a dry pump is a dead one. 

    You are using a 16 FPI 30mm thick radiator.  For the temps you're getting and how complex your loop is, I could see why the temps are the way they are.  The issue is, that case has been known to not give great temps because the way it's designed (aesthetics).  If you fill the bottom and top with rads, where is the fresh air coming from?  If you say the triple side fans as intake, you're actually intaking the rear exhaust air from the back into the case which will cause temps to rise.
     
    Presuming you have filters in both top and bottom and you add the same rad from the top to the bottom, run them both as intake so they get that fresh air in and than run the side and rear as exhaust.  That will allow your rad fans to intake cooler fresher air while the rest are used as exhaust.  That should take care of the air flow.  

    Next focus on those distro block.  I'm not too familiar with what goes where so you might need to reevaluate.  If you had it setup fine originally, I'd leave it alone.  

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 16:39:56 (permalink)
    Awesome , I'll have to buy another of the nemesis 360 when they come back in stock and try that.. However i swapped it around and changed the rad to intake , left bottoms as intake , switched the side to exhaust and added a rear exhaust fan..  Wild enough the cpu temps went up by about 10 load , and 5c idle.
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 17:37:08 (permalink)
    I actually have that case (o11D XL). Side and bottom intake and top and back exhaust (6-7C water above ambient temp at full load during a game). 3 rads ofc. All fans at around 1100rpm, noctua a12x25. Opening the case drops temp by amazing 1C barely (top rad thing)
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 19:20:21 (permalink)
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    Awesome , I'll have to buy another of the nemesis 360 when they come back in stock and try that.. However i swapped it around and changed the rad to intake , left bottoms as intake , switched the side to exhaust and added a rear exhaust fan..  Wild enough the cpu temps went up by about 10 load , and 5c idle.




    That's nuts.  I don't understand it otherwise pulling air from the back through the side intakes cools the back of the motherboard but circulates that air back into the case and brings down your temps. 
     
    This case design for me is mind boggling.  See if adding that 2nd rad helps as it should otherwise flipping them back the way those fans were will be the final verdict.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 19:24:08 (permalink)
    Right , this one sure has me puzzled. I do have a thick 240mm rad laying around if that would suffice for a test? same FPI from the specs it looks. Odd enough my cpu temps are a few C higher lately also. probably the heat from the gpu.
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 19:36:35 (permalink)
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    Right , this one sure has me puzzled. I do have a thick 240mm rad laying around if that would suffice for a test? same FPI from the specs it looks. Odd enough my cpu temps are a few C higher lately also. probably the heat from the gpu.




    If you're not sure, I wouldn't move anything yet as temps fluctuate do to the environment and what load was used to record the temps.  Just take your time as your temps overall aren't horrible but could use some improvement.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/19 20:48:29 (permalink)
    My guess is flow. Maybe the CPU block is clogged up or is restricting enough to slow the flow threw the while system.

    Try to max the flow of the pump.. remove the side door and remove the filters covers as those may be to fine and restricting air flow as well.

    The big rad at top should be intake.. all rads should be intake.

    Max out those fans.. at least 75%.

    Still guessing clogged or slow flow CPU block is doing a number on the flow.

    Swapping out the GPU that many times and refilling may of got some debris in the fluid which is now stuck in the CPU block.

    Be nice to test just the GPU block without the cpu block in the line to find out.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/20 13:44:45 (permalink)
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    Might of been , May have to flush and find out. Is 48c still a little on the high side?




    So you're getting 48c now? Seems reasonable enough to me?


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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/20 16:09:31 (permalink)
    I did try taking off the side panels, removing the dust filters etc. maxing the flow doesn't really give any improvement but it seems to be good and the block doesn't appear to be clogged , but maybe. Fans are set to 80 or 85 percent. lower/higher really didn't make any difference though. She generally hits 51-52c after a  half hour or so of warzone. I ordered a second nemesis gts 360 today , some more ek blood red cryofuel , and a g 1/4 water temp sensor and led display. Still have a half gallon of deionized water , should i give it a good flush with that and just run the new bottle of liquid?
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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/20 16:23:09 (permalink)
    Those temps sound about right for a working hydro copper block.  Apparently these don't get as low on temps as some of the 3rd party blocks for some reason. Main reason I did one was because I ordered the hydro copper sku card so I didn't have to deal with swapping it out and also I think that single sheet of plexi looks nice in a vertical GPU mount.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/20 20:32:15 (permalink)
    Colored fuild.. no no. Flush it take the CPU block apart and take pics. Let me know ;) please for your mental health.

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    Re: Hydro Copper Block. 2020/05/21 10:05:51 (permalink)
    Haha , i like the colored stuff.. Couldn't see myself running anything but colored liquid ;). I had green in it before and ran that for a good 6 months to a year. when i flushed it with de ionized water and added the gpu in etc the cpu block looked clean. Haven't had any issues with the ek premix cryofuel. But we're going to get to the bottom of this.. Besides ordering a second nemesis 360 gts , ordered a xspc g 1/4 sensor with a led display ,mayhems x1 blood red (guess we'll try out something rated better). thermal grizzly kryonaut incase that cpu block needs to be removed/taken apart. Ek also has a bunch of vardar f4-120er fans on clearance for like 7 bucks so 6 of those also.. Is there anything else that could possibly be needed or that would help? Didn't order a flow sensor cause the distro has one built in , who knows if it's correct though...
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