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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 05:19:41
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Only was able to test out Overwatch (didn't have anything downloaded, and we're on slow internet). I will have to download something later and test it tonight. She has an MSI z170 Krait edition, and on Overwatch she was getting 150+ fps, but mine was all over the place. It was between 100-130fps. I don't remember her DDR4 memory specs, but I will get them later. She is also on an i5-6600k, but she is overclocked I believe, to 4.0Ghz. Also, the card comes with a sort of reverse splitter cable, where you can plug in two 6 pin and it goes down to one 6 pin. Should I be using this cable, or does it not matter?
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 08:30:36
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mintyfruitsAlso, the card comes with a sort of reverse splitter cable, where you can plug in two 6 pin and it goes down to one 6 pin. Should I be using this cable, or does it not matter?
If you mean the GTX 1080 then you want only one 8 pin supplementary power connector, I would use only an 8 pin power connector straight from the power supply unit, most modern power supply units have this type of connector.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 08:45:47
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Okay, cool. That is what I'm using. I seriously want to get this fixed. @_@
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 09:22:52
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What you can do is install the card in youre wife's PC and make a backup of the game you are having issues with from your PC and then install it on your wifes PC while logged into your steam account. Then see if the issue still happens
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 09:29:22
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I will be sure to do that. I'm starting to lean that my mobo is just junk >.>
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:04:11
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I will be sure to do that. I'm starting to lean that my mobo is just junk >.>
Have you tried using a different PCIE slot? It might help narrow down if the problem is the slot, or as you think a motherboard problem.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:15:29
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:28:19
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Acer XB271HU. I will try another slot but I think that only one is 16X3.0 Also, just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has helped/continues to help. I appreciate you all very much.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:35:21
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Is my 1080 possibly bad?
Do other games play ok and do you get good framerates?
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:37:01
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@KEVRAY, I need to test out some more when I get home. I will post the results.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:47:04
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 10:58:38
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Ram is in 2x8 GB config. I will try pulling one and see if it makes any difference. If they work they work. could the Steam FPS overlay be causing extreme performance dips at all? Some might say yeah some might say they can't tell any difference either way, I can't tell any difference but I tend to not have the steam overlay running in the background, I play mainly single player but I can't tell if there is any performance penalty with the steam overlay enabled nor the framrate counter. I know that the MSI Afterburner overlay was causing some issues I use EVGA PrecisionX OC it has been designed to work only for the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070, you can download it from EVGA when you are logged in. I tested it and it works perfect with Tom Clancy's The Division and you can see the same essential stats as with MSI Afterburner. The reason I ask is that Witcher 3 was running at fairly optimal fps BUT I have it through GOG not Steam. I have tried the GOG version and the Steam version and I found them to be about the same but this was with the GTX 970 and have not tested the game with the GTX 1080 yet. Does anyone else have Rise of the Tomb Raider that they could test and see what the performance numbers are?
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 11:11:32
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@KEVRAY, I need to test out some more when I get home. I will post the results.
You have the Asus Maximus 8 Hero ROG motherboard correct? did you download and flash to the 1701 BIOS? have you tried pressing F5 at the BIOS screen and reset everything to default? do you use a seperate sound card or do you use the Maximus 8 Hero Supreme FX onboard sound chip? have you updated the Direct X files? did you say you were on Windows 10 64-bit? have you installed the Maximus 8 Hero chipset drivers?I use the Scarlett 2i2 USB audio Interface so I disble the HD audio in the M8H BIOS, it is the only thing I disable an everything else is at motherboard factory BIOS default settings.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 11:12:40
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OP, just a hunch but have you verified the steam files for Rise of the Tomb Raider? It will catch any files that might be corrupted or missing and download them.
It seems odd that The Witcher 3 works fine, but RoTTR is having issues. Which, now that I think of it, sounds like an issue with the game itself.
You could always try a free benchmark program like 3DMark and post your Firestrike scores, or Uniengine's Heaven or Valley and post your results for comparison. Valley and Heaven are not terribly large downloads.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 11:13:17
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I will be sure to do that. I'm starting to lean that my mobo is just junk >.>
If your other games work fine it can't be junk? did you say it was the Asus Maximus 8 Hero ROG motherboard?
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 11:13:43
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KEVRAY, Yes, Asus Maximus VIII Hero. I did update to 1701 BIOS. I haven't used F5, but have used Restore Optimized Defaults (will try F5). I use the Supreme FX onboard. I have not yet updated Direct X files. I am on Win10 64 bit. I attempted to update the chipset drivers on Asus support page, but it stated I have the latest (maybe there is one that isn't on there yet?).
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 11:25:27
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mintyfruitsKEVRAY, Yes, Asus Maximus VIII Hero. I did update to 1701 BIOS. I haven't used F5, but have used Restore Optimized Defaults (will try F5). F5 just restores to optimal default settings so you are good to go there. I use the Supreme FX onboard. There is a new driver on there site I noticed, I have tested the Supreme FX in games a while back and all was fine, not a bad sound chip indeed, I use a Scarlett 2i2 audio interface because I connect electro acoustic guitar and portable piano through it plus the ASIO drivers are top notch for playing instruments but really nice and clear with gaming audio. I have not yet updated Direct X files. Most games install the needed Direct X files anyway and I think Windows 10 has the essential DX files but I have noticed that when I have downloaded the DX setup it installs them as if they are not installed in the first place, seems to be a strange one with my windows 10 64-bit. I am on Win10 64 bit. I attempted to update the chipset drivers on Asus support page, but it stated I have the latest (maybe there is one that isn't on there yet?) Sounds like you are ok there, there is only one chipset driver to download so you probably have the latest.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 15:15:06
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Ok found some videos that can guide you to OCing your CPU and motherboard, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, if your PC does not boot, shut down and reset CMOS. Also, make sure you have the proper CPU cooling for your CPU to handle the OC, if you are using the stock heatsink, i'll suggest you invest in a better heatsink to keep your CPU cooler.
Here are some videos, try the first one first since it is easier to understand if not go to the 2nd one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-J2TU08Qk&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pL_n5l4gWU&app=desktop
Good luck and post your results
To be honest, he shouldn't need to overclock anything to keep from dropping to 30FPS.
OP, have you turned off Gsync (and Vsync if it is on either in game settings or in the Nvidia Control panel)? It should be listed under the Nvidia Control Panel settings somewhere (I don't have a Gsync monitor so I can't say where it is exactly).
Instead of criticizing my help why don't you be more helpful to the OP? you think turning off Gsync would help? I want to see how much juice he can take out of the hardware he has, is that bad? I don't think so. As far as motherboard goes, ASUS, as well as many other motherboards out there, have the nag of choosing the wrong settings in the bios whether is memory, system, CPU, GPU wise. Showing how to overclock, IMO, is the best way to educate someone who does not know about what type of hardware the user has.
To the OP, if you are willing to spend more money in another board, you can go ahead, but i don't want you to give up on it that easy. I just want you to watch the video and educate yourself a bit, i am going to do more research on it. Take pics of the video for every setting so you can go back to the bios and start setting the proper configuration.
I must have hit a nerve. You do know I was offering help to the OP? It was based on what I've read of problems people have had when they forgot that they had a Gsync monitor with Gsync/Vsync turned on.
Just you you are fully cognizant, I was not criticizing you as a person, yet I was criticizing (just in my own mind until now) your judgement in overclocking an already unstable system. If that's something you don't want to come to terms with, well, I can live with that 
Through overclocking you are able to tell the unstable settings in your bios/hardware to get it stable, it is called narrowing down the problem and troubleshooting options. The fact that you posted a 1 simple solution "Gsync" to his problem and fail to read the entire thread, like many of you lazy members, shows the level of no so bright troubleshooting knowledge you have. You are just like Sajin, you go by one post and not the entire thread at all. Now can you live with the fact that you are not good at troubleshooting? I can live with that too  As per the OP, if you have the funds to get a new board, go for it, but choose wisely and do your research, that way you wont encounter the same problem you have now. At this point, i will contact ASUS Tech Support about the problem you have.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 16:28:41
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Easy guys. We're all just trying to get ideas out there. I appreciate everyone's help. Atfrico, I did watch those videos! There were easy to understand, as you said! I am willing to try it, just going to through all the other options too! While I am willing to get another motherboard, I don't want to aimlessly spend the money on it, IF that is not the problem. If it is, then so be it. I already spent a crap ton of money on this thing anyway XD I tested out Total War Shogun 2 and performance was also pretty terrible. On my 980Ti (same settings) I was getting about 70+ zoomed out and about 50-65 while zoomed in, depending on effects. With the 1080 I was getting about 50 zoomed out and about 30 zoomed in.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 16:50:26
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atfrico
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Ok found some videos that can guide you to OCing your CPU and motherboard, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, if your PC does not boot, shut down and reset CMOS. Also, make sure you have the proper CPU cooling for your CPU to handle the OC, if you are using the stock heatsink, i'll suggest you invest in a better heatsink to keep your CPU cooler.
Here are some videos, try the first one first since it is easier to understand if not go to the 2nd one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-J2TU08Qk&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pL_n5l4gWU&app=desktop
Good luck and post your results
To be honest, he shouldn't need to overclock anything to keep from dropping to 30FPS.
OP, have you turned off Gsync (and Vsync if it is on either in game settings or in the Nvidia Control panel)? It should be listed under the Nvidia Control Panel settings somewhere (I don't have a Gsync monitor so I can't say where it is exactly).
Instead of criticizing my help why don't you be more helpful to the OP? you think turning off Gsync would help? I want to see how much juice he can take out of the hardware he has, is that bad? I don't think so. As far as motherboard goes, ASUS, as well as many other motherboards out there, have the nag of choosing the wrong settings in the bios whether is memory, system, CPU, GPU wise. Showing how to overclock, IMO, is the best way to educate someone who does not know about what type of hardware the user has.
To the OP, if you are willing to spend more money in another board, you can go ahead, but i don't want you to give up on it that easy. I just want you to watch the video and educate yourself a bit, i am going to do more research on it. Take pics of the video for every setting so you can go back to the bios and start setting the proper configuration.
I must have hit a nerve. You do know I was offering help to the OP? It was based on what I've read of problems people have had when they forgot that they had a Gsync monitor with Gsync/Vsync turned on.
Just you you are fully cognizant, I was not criticizing you as a person, yet I was criticizing (just in my own mind until now) your judgement in overclocking an already unstable system. If that's something you don't want to come to terms with, well, I can live with that
Through overclocking you are able to tell the unstable settings in your bios/hardware to get it stable, it is called narrowing down the problem and troubleshooting options. The fact that you posted a 1 simple solution "Gsync" to his problem and fail to read the entire thread, like many of you lazy members, shows the level of no so bright troubleshooting knowledge you have. You are just like Sajin, you go by one post and not the entire thread at all. Now can you live with the fact that you are not good at troubleshooting? I can live with that too
You do not make any sense telling him to overclock. If a system is unstable, you don't overclock it in an attempt to make it stable. Up the voltages, relax timings, set manual default settings, all well a good. Overclock? No. If you don't like me sharing the knowledge that I've gleaned over the years, some of which directly pertains to your advice of overclocking an unstable system, then ahh well. Because I'm going to try and help people with the knowledge that I've gained regardless of what you think. And if I call someone out who gives extremely bad advice and they can't handle it? I'll call them out again. It's BAD ADVICE to tell someone to overclock an unstable system.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 16:51:03
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Through overclocking you are able to tell the unstable settings in your bios/hardware to get it stable, it is called narrowing down the problem and troubleshooting options. The fact that you posted a 1 simple solution "Gsync" to his problem and fail to read the entire thread, like many of you lazy members, shows the level of no so bright troubleshooting knowledge you have. You are just like Sajin, you go by one post and not the entire thread at all. Now can you live with the fact that you are not good at troubleshooting? I can live with that too
You do not make any sense telling him to overclock. If a system is unstable, you don't overclock it in an attempt to make it stable. Up the voltages, relax timings, set manual default settings, all well a good. Overclock? No.
If you don't like me sharing the knowledge that I've gleaned over the years, some of which directly pertains to your advice of overclocking an unstable system, then ahh well. Because I'm going to try and help people with the knowledge that I've gained regardless of what you think. And if I call someone out who gives extremely bad advice and they can't handle it? I'll call them out again.
It's BAD ADVICE to tell someone to overclock an unstable system.
To your logic it may be wrong, i dont see others saying the same and by the way, i did help the OP in learning the basic steps of overclocking, so my job is done, you have not accomplished anything so far, I have. Thanks for posting your results mintyfruits and i am glad you watched the videos. At least now you have an idea of what you have. As per the comparisons of your 980ti and 1080? well, the spec sheet below shows the difference: GTX 1080GTX 980TiGTX 980GPU Architecture Pascal Maxwell Maxwell Process node 16nm 28nm 28nm SP FP Performance 9 TFLOPs 5.63 TFLOPs 4.61 TFLOPs CUDA Core Count 2560 2816 2048 VRAM Type GDDR5X GDDR5 GDDR5 VRAM Cappacity 8GB 6GB 4GB Memory Speed 10Gbps 7 Gbps 7 Gbps Memory Bus Size 256-bit 384-bit 256-bit Memory Bandwidth 320 GB/s 336.5 GB/s 224 GB/s Base clock speed 1607MHz 1000MHz 1139MHz Boost clock speed 1733MHz 1076MHz 1240Mhz TDP 180W 250W 165W Power Connection 1x 8-pin 1x 8-pin + 1x 6-pin 2x 6-pin PCI Express PCIe 3.0 PCIe 3.0 PCIe 3.0 The results you are getting is not a faulty board at all, is just a fact. I was about to pull the trigger on the FTW but after carefully reviewing this little chart, i am going to hold till the ti version of Pascal comes out.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 16:52:53
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Hi minty fruits Download and install 3D mark 2001 https://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/legacyDownload and install Fraps http://www.fraps.com/download.php Run Fraps and the benchmark. If it freezes up on any of them tests. Your motherboard might not be good enough to handle it. I had this problem it froze up on there and found out the motherboard couldn't handle the card. Put it on a new motherboard and everything worked great. I hope this isn't your problem though. If you haven't tried put it in a different pcie slot see if one works better.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 16:55:01
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I would be utterly shocked if my motherboard couldn't handle it. I'm not saying it's the best, but I would literally be shocked if it couldn't. I am currently downloading 3D Mark to run some benches.
@atfrico all this thread has made me want to do is sell my 1080 and get my 980 Ti back :(
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:02:30
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I would be utterly shocked if my motherboard couldn't handle it. I'm not saying it's the best, but I would literally be shocked if it couldn't. I am currently downloading 3D Mark to run some benches.
@atfrico all this thread has made me want to do is sell my 1080 and get my 980 Ti back :(
I don't see why that mobo wouldn't handle that card
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:20:36
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I would be utterly shocked if my motherboard couldn't handle it. I'm not saying it's the best, but I would literally be shocked if it couldn't. I am currently downloading 3D Mark to run some benches.
@atfrico all this thread has made me want to do is sell my 1080 and get my 980 Ti back :(
Do not feel discourage, keep in mind this is a new tech and drivers need to be worked on.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:26:07
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Uhh, so the big thing I'm seeing is that my temps on the GPU are not going higher than 60C... Oh, and now I cannot even get CPU-Z to load.
post edited by mintyfruits - 2016/06/10 17:29:37
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:29:56
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Interesting. Was that 1080p you benchmark? Also do you have your power setting in windows to use high performance mode. Also in your nvidia control also make sure Power Management Mode = Prefer Maximum Performance. It seems something is keeping the card from running full on max power because your temps should be higher.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:30:50
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Uhh, so the big thing I'm seeing is that my temps on the GPU are not going higher than 60C...
Oh, and now I cannot even get CPU-Z to load.
Noting wrong with that. Do let us know if a replacement motherboard fixes the issue if you choose to go that route.
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Re: Help with GTX 1080 poor performance
2016/06/10 17:39:42
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Since you're still freezing I would suggest testing your ram like I suggested back in post #12. You should also check your cpu by running the intel diagnostic tool.
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