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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:09:47 (permalink)
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Till then, mine seems to be the best one.


Yes of course it is.  In your land of unicorns and fairies where you reviewed the mythical dual pcb card in the basement of your parents floating mansion.


Well, plagerism is the key to success....

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:15:37 (permalink)
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Till then, mine seems to be the best one.


Yes of course it is.  In your land of unicorns and fairies where you reviewed the mythical dual pcb card in the basement of your parents floating mansion.


Well, plagerism is the key to success....


More like making it better. Also, I passed on the dual PCB part already. Read up, the card itself is not, but the back seems to be made out of two different pieces. If you can not see this, then you should be laughing at yourself.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:25:46 (permalink)
Guys gotta lay low on the request for detailed reviews. Technically these cards didn't get inhands of any users till Tuesday of this past week, and at the end of the month? Chillax! This isn't a reference design, it's a custom! Reviews on the oc'ing abilities vs Asus, MSI, and whatever other competitor are sure to hit within the next few weeks. 
Speaking for myself, I'm thankful EVGA released this card earlier than expected and am very happy and satisfied to get my hands on two 
 
Also, In that review they say they are planning to do another review on the oc capabilities.
Page 12 (under 'EVGA GTX 580 Classified Temperatures').
 
"AT 71C the custom cooler utilized by EVGA for the Classified is quite effective giving a 12.4% boost in performance compared to a stock GTX 580. During Furmark the 8cm fan will spin up a bit hitting around 45-50% usage but still being silent. This means that even on Air the EVGA GTX 580 Classified will have lots of room left for overclocking which we will be doing a separate article on the future."
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:26:30 (permalink)
Johhny Doe

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kaninja

Johhny Doe
Till then, mine seems to be the best one.


Yes of course it is.  In your land of unicorns and fairies where you reviewed the mythical dual pcb card in the basement of your parents floating mansion.


Well, plagerism is the key to success....


More like making it better. Also, I passed on the dual PCB part already. Read up, the card itself is not, but the back seems to be made out of two different pieces. If you can not see this, then you should be laughing at yourself.

 
Seems to be, probably, most likely, about, I think, are all things that should not be in a review.  Who, what, where, when, is, are, etc. is what a review should be.  Facts and figures, not guesses and conjecture.
 
I was just having fun.  Why is it that you said you don't post here anymore.  You stopped posting for a while like many do, but lately you seem to be much more active.  What's up?

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:33:45 (permalink)
kaninjaSeems to be, probably, most likely, about, I think, are all things that should not be in a review.  Who, what, where, when, is, are, etc. is what a review should be.  Facts and figures, not guesses and conjecture.

I was just having fun.  Why is it that you said you don't post here anymore.  You stopped posting for a while like many do, but lately you seem to be much more active.  What's up?


Should have used "multiple layer PCB". That would technically be true since the PCB on this card is supposed to be wider as well.

Anyway I will not be here anymore. Can not stand these power consumption values. lol.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:39:19 (permalink)
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kaninjaSeems to be, probably, most likely, about, I think, are all things that should not be in a review.  Who, what, where, when, is, are, etc. is what a review should be.  Facts and figures, not guesses and conjecture.

I was just having fun.  Why is it that you said you don't post here anymore.  You stopped posting for a while like many do, but lately you seem to be much more active.  What's up?


Should have used "multiple layer PCB". That would technically be true since the PCB on this card is supposed to be wider as well.

Anyway I will not be here anymore. Can not stand these power consumption values. lol.

They are all 'multiple layer PCB'.  For example, the GTX 590 uses a 12 layer PCB.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/02 23:47:36 (permalink)
HeavyHemiThey are all 'multiple layer PCB'.  For example, the GTX 590 uses a 12 layer PCB.


Υes, there is no other word I ever heard of to suit in this case. Lets just say it is made out of two different pieces of PCB.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 00:25:46 (permalink)
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HeavyHemiThey are all 'multiple layer PCB'.  For example, the GTX 590 uses a 12 layer PCB.


Υes, there is no other word I ever heard of to suit in this case. Lets just say it is made out of two different pieces of PCB.

Well, you could be right, but that seems very unlikely given the construction.
 
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 01:44:11 (permalink)
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kaninja

Johhny Doe
Till then, mine seems to be the best one.


Yes of course it is.  In your land of unicorns and fairies where you reviewed the mythical dual pcb card in the basement of your parents floating mansion.


Well, plagerism is the key to success....


More like making it better.

 
Did you eat paint chips as a kid??
 
Seriously, I've read through this entire post and all I can comprehend out of it is "blah blah blah"..  As was said before, if it was a BS review, why?  why bother with it at all?
 
Do you read horrible safety reviews on cars and then go test drive them? 



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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 02:27:50 (permalink)
SmokeEaterSeriously, I've read through this entire post and all I can comprehend out of it is "blah blah blah"..  As was said before, if it was a BS review, why?  why bother with it at all?

Do you read horrible safety reviews on cars and then go test drive them? 


Looking for validation on your purchase here won't land you the expected results. The reason I made this thread is to stop people from ordering this card blindly. I've seen a bunch of people choose this card over the Lightning XE (at OCN and here) just because of the "Classified" name. While the Lightning pretty much beats this card, you don't hear it on this forum. At least not so often. There must be a reason for it, right? And it's so obvious. I just gave some info for you to decide on whether it's the right choice or not. No BS. Which otherwise could only be found on the pages of much longer threads.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 03:52:07 (permalink)
A) I don't need validation from you or anyone else for ANY decision I make, especially a purchase of something as insignificant in life as a piece of computer hardware.
 
B) You're on a EVGA forum.  Do you honestly expect to see a bunch of people here touting any other product except EVGA?
 
You seriously need an ego check.  There's nothing informative about what you posted.  It's merely you taking some random "review" that you call BS, and twisting it how you see fit to make it work with your opinion.  Good, bad, or indifferent that is all it is.  Your opinion.  You know what they say about those.



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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 03:53:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Just go buy your MSI Lightning card......
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 08:40:38 (permalink)
 
 
So out of curiosity, as the original review was copyrighted, did you obtain the written permission reqiured by LanOC to use their copyrighted and trademarked material?
 
LanOCs Copyright statement can be found here:
 
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So, again, did you have the authorization from LanOC to use and modify their copyrighted and trademarked material?
 
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 09:19:02 (permalink)
The thing that annoys me most about this thread is that the reviews we have so far are totally based on stock temps and clocks and not overclocked cards.  Johhny's assertion that the cards do not overclock as well as MSI or ASUS has not been proven in fact because we don't have any way to accurately check the voltage other than maybe the EVBot, but many of them need to be updated as well.  I really have no accurate idea what my cards are running voltage wise because Eleet and Afterburner are not correct.  I bought the cards to get to 950 or 1000 on air and cannot get there on stock voltage.  That does mean these cards might not clock as well at stock voltage as the other brands, but again don't really know what my voltage is yet.

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 11:19:58 (permalink)
kmconstableThe thing that annoys me most about this thread is that the reviews we have so far are totally based on stock temps and clocks and not overclocked cards.  Johhny's assertion that the cards do not overclock as well as MSI or ASUS has not been proven in fact because we don't have any way to accurately check the voltage other than maybe the EVBot, but many of them need to be updated as well.  I really have no accurate idea what my cards are running voltage wise because Eleet and Afterburner are not correct.  I bought the cards to get to 950 or 1000 on air and cannot get there on stock voltage.  That does mean these cards might not clock as well at stock voltage as the other brands, but again don't really know what my voltage is yet.


Show me where I said this card doesn't OC as well as any other 580, I didn't even go over that part in the OP. OC'ing the 580 depends on your luck (chip) since the reference PCB is robust enough. My main gripe with this card is the connector requirement.

SmokeEaterA) I don't need validation from you or anyone else for ANY decision I make, especially a purchase of something as insignificant in life as a piece of computer hardware.

B) You're on a EVGA forum.  Do you honestly expect to see a bunch of people here touting any other product except EVGA?

You seriously need an ego check.  There's nothing informative about what you posted.  It's merely you taking some random "review" that you call BS, and twisting it how you see fit to make it work with your opinion.  Good, bad, or indifferent that is all it is.  Your opinion.  You know what they say about those.


A) Then why are you in this thread, trying to comment on the OP?

B) That is just wrong. And, is one of the reasons why I don't care about this forum anymore. I'd just post in an independant forum where people go by the product, not the brand name with their eyes closed. I guess you're not on a level to realize this, so yeah.

SmokeEaterSo out of curiosity, as the original review was copyrighted, did you obtain the written permission reqiured by LanOC to use their copyrighted and trademarked material?

LanOCs Copyright statement can be found here:

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So, again, did you have the authorization from LanOC to use and modify their copyrighted and trademarked material?


I haven't, thought naming the review would be sufficient. That's how the procedure works on bigger review sites like TPU.

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Anyway, thought about a buzzword for the PCB. Interleaved PCB.



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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 14:36:43 (permalink)
thanks for the info.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 16:05:53 (permalink)
Interleaved PCB? Something new to hear. That PSU have one big PCB as shown, one or two sides conductors :)
 
we don't have any way to accurately check the voltage

You can always check voltages by DMM on readout connectors on top of card, near power input connectors. Set range to 2VDC and check it. ;) EVBot needed only for adjustments.

If you have question, please post in public forum. I do not reply PMs, so all in community can benefit the answer. 
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 16:13:31 (permalink)
Do not blame me, that is what Huntkey calls it on their X7 900W. Keep up a bit more.

Actually, they have their Toroid coil split up by the name "interleaved";



I just tried to make the word fit to different parts of the PCB.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 16:43:08 (permalink)
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Keep up a bit more.

 
Really??  You do know who TiN_EE is, right?  Aahh, you're just jerkin us around, lol

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 16:49:56 (permalink)
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Keep up a bit more.


Really??  You do know who TiN_EE is, right?  Aahh, you're just jerkin us around, lol


I do, the guy who thinks you need 2 kW for 580 Quad-SLi. Alright, let's put back the train on the track please. For serious.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:05:17 (permalink)
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Do not blame me, that is what Huntkey calls it on their X7 900W. Keep up a bit more.

Actually, they have their Toroid coil split up by the name "interleaved";



I just tried to make the word fit to different parts of the PCB.

Incorrectly as is being pointed out. There is a disadvantage to learning what you 'know' by reading versus experience.

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:06:12 (permalink)
I am busy right now, but just wanted to say that I contacted the main reviewer over at Guru3d and as of the Wednesday of last week he said they have a card on the way for a review, they are working of getting afterburner to overclock it and they will be doing their full reviews with the normal comparisons.
 
He is aware that currently there is no software, but he felt that they should get AB to add some voltage to really test the card out for their review.  He did not say when they will release a new version of AB to the public though.
 

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:09:53 (permalink)
hawk269

I am busy right now, but just wanted to say that I contacted the main reviewer over at Guru3d and as of the Wednesday of last week he said they have a card on the way for a review, they are working of getting afterburner to overclock it and they will be doing their full reviews with the normal comparisons.

He is aware that currently there is no software, but he felt that they should get AB to add some voltage to really test the card out for their review.  He did not say when they will release a new version of AB to the public though.


I imagine they might have Alex (Unwinder) working on it.
 
BTW BETA 8 is out. It starts much faster than the previous BETA 7
http://downloads.guru3d.c...a-8-download-2799.html
 
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:16:55 (permalink)
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Do not blame me, that is what Huntkey calls it on their X7 900W. Keep up a bit more.

Actually, they have their Toroid coil split up by the name "interleaved";



I just tried to make the word fit to different parts of the PCB.

Incorrectly as is being pointed out. There is a disadvantage to learning what you 'know' by reading versus experience.


What you do not see here is it's not me who named it "interleaved", it is Huntkey. In technical terms, such thing does not exist. Just a made up word. If you give attention, I called it "buzzword" for that reason.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:21:25 (permalink)
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Johhny Doe

Do not blame me, that is what Huntkey calls it on their X7 900W. Keep up a bit more.

Actually, they have their Toroid coil split up by the name "interleaved";



I just tried to make the word fit to different parts of the PCB.

Incorrectly as is being pointed out. There is a disadvantage to learning what you 'know' by reading versus experience.


What you do not see here is it's not me who named it "interleaved", it is Huntkey. In technical terms, such thing does not exist. Just a made up word. If you give attention, I called it "buzzword" for that reason.

 
Regardless, your original claim is wrong.  In 'technical terms', you don't know what you're taking about.  So I'd suggest you move on...which you claimed you were doing.

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:21:27 (permalink)
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hawk269

I am busy right now, but just wanted to say that I contacted the main reviewer over at Guru3d and as of the Wednesday of last week he said they have a card on the way for a review, they are working of getting afterburner to overclock it and they will be doing their full reviews with the normal comparisons.

He is aware that currently there is no software, but he felt that they should get AB to add some voltage to really test the card out for their review.  He did not say when they will release a new version of AB to the public though.


I imagine they might have Alex (Unwinder) working on it.

BTW BETA 8 is out. It starts much faster than the previous BETA 7
http://downloads.guru3d.c...a-8-download-2799.html


  Whoa that is faster.
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:22:45 (permalink)
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HeavyHemi

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I am busy right now, but just wanted to say that I contacted the main reviewer over at Guru3d and as of the Wednesday of last week he said they have a card on the way for a review, they are working of getting afterburner to overclock it and they will be doing their full reviews with the normal comparisons.

He is aware that currently there is no software, but he felt that they should get AB to add some voltage to really test the card out for their review.  He did not say when they will release a new version of AB to the public though.


I imagine they might have Alex (Unwinder) working on it.

BTW BETA 8 is out. It starts much faster than the previous BETA 7
http://downloads.guru3d.c...a-8-download-2799.html


Whoa that is faster.

I know, compared to the earlier releases, it's nearly instantaneous.

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 17:30:40 (permalink)
HeavyHemiRegardless, your original claim is wrong.  In 'technical terms', you don't know what you're taking about.  So I'd suggest you move on...which you claimed you were doing.


It's not. And I do. From the pic on the OP, the PCB looks to be made out of different layers. One half seems like a reference card where the other half mounts on top of it. The left part of the PCB has a rough, different surface. So I suggest you to... actually, I can suggest you a lot of things. Starting with "get a life", but I won't. Because I neither want to derail this thread nor act like how you typically make fun of someone, then go "hahahaha".  BTW, here's a thread on AB Beta 8:

http://www.techpowerup.co...howthread.php?t=152967
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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 18:00:36 (permalink)
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Really??  You do know who TiN_EE is, right?  Aahh, you're just jerkin us around, lol

I do, the guy who thinks you need 2 kW for 580 Quad-SLi. Alright, let's put back the train on the track please. For serious.

I'm curious... how many 580 quad sli setups have you benched lately? Because presumably you have and that's why/how you know you're right?

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Re:Going over GTX 580 Classified review (LANOC) 2011/10/03 18:08:28 (permalink)
Johhny Doe

HeavyHemiRegardless, your original claim is wrong.  In 'technical terms', you don't know what you're taking about.  So I'd suggest you move on...which you claimed you were doing.


It's not. And I do. From the pic on the OP, the PCB looks to be made out of different layers. One half seems like a reference card where the other half mounts on top of it. The left part of the PCB has a rough, different surface. So I suggest you to... actually, I can suggest you a lot of things. Starting with "get a life", but I won't. Because I neither want to derail this thread nor act like how you typically make fun of someone, then go "hahahaha".  BTW, here's a thread on AB Beta 8:

http://www.techpowerup.co...howthread.php?t=152967

 
Right...looks to be...seems to be...could be...w
Look a bit closer.  
 
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post edited by HeavyHemi - 2011/10/03 18:10:36

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